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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 18:19:26
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 18:27:33
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I saw Jayz2Cents' video before commenting here. It seems to have some interesting insights: Insight 1: possible reference design for the power capacitors. Keyword "possible". According to Jay's video the 3080's reference power capacitor setup is 1 MLCC cap and and 5 POS caps. nVIDIA goes a little above that with 2 MLCC/4 POS and ASUS goes well above it with all 6 MLCC. The 3090 is 2 MLCC and 4 POS caps. Interesting if true. Insight 2: Of the cards reported to have issues officially so far, they all have 6 POS caps and 0 MLCC caps. Keyword being "reported" as we cannot tell 1 way or the other yet without more investigation that this is the key cause. Insight 3: If the AIB's are going to fix this for the 3080 according to Jay it would be done with a firmware update that lowers likely the GPU Boost after the Boost clock of the cards to keep the card stable. One last thing to mention that everyone reporting is not answering which is the answer to this very important question: Are the cards that are CTDing (Crashing To Desktop) while gaming OCed beyond the factory overclocked or stock speed specs by the user's own discretion or are they running without any additional overclock aside from what the factory might provide? Either way, that's kind of scary. Out!
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 18:36:03
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RTX20 memory fiasco, RTX30 fiasco. Rip
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 18:38:28
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Having to update the bios to fix this would truly suck and I would advise anyone in future who has to resort to this option to fix their card return it for a full refund straight away. If a company has to intentionally hamstring a card lowering its performance to get it to work properly then that is unacceptable. These cards are not cheap after all.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 18:41:01
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:02:55
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Avenger411 RTX20 memory fiasco, RTX30 fiasco. Rip
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:06:17
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People also need to understand that because of gpu boost (thermal and power headroom) the card is going much higher than native specs. Your performances when it’s boosting aren’t guaranteed and they might be the reason why the card is struggling. If the gpu is left at it’s native clock does ir still crash ?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:10:50
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i hope i can get one soon so i can fell the stuggel
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:23:05
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:26:17
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:27:31
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Great way to screw over all the people who paid for cards on eBay with no warranty lol. Should teach every one not to buy those cards.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 19:38:17
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people get what they deserve
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 20:49:25
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 23:26:21
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It seems Production versions of both FTW SKUs have ONLY 4 POSCAPS. Reviewers received pre-production models with 6. Launch was delayed a bit because of this; EVGA knew about it. Pics have been updated on EVGA website. Their may be be other stuff going on too...
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 01:51:11
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Buildzoid just told us to call them SP-Caps, since POSCAPS are just very specific ones from panasonic which most cards don't use
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 04:34:09
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All the 3080 FTW3 Ultras on reddit have 2x MLCC's and 4x SP-CAP. I'm pretty confident that anyone currently waiting to get their hands on a 3080 FTW3 Ultra will receive the 2-4 setup. People keep posting promotional photos which is a moot point as it's subject to revision and editing . And who knows GN may of had a pre-production card sourced by EVGA I don't know. TBH what there saying makes sense and I too believe it's a capacitor issue, but it's still not confirmed. For now I'll stay on the list for step-up, if my card needs to be RMA'd so be it. EVGA will stand by its customers, that's a major reason a lot of us purchased EVGA in the first place.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 05:01:28
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 06:18:03
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Johnny_Utah
Mr.Gisoid https://forums.evga.com/Message-about-EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3080-POSCAPs-m3095238.aspx
Incredibly informative, thank you.
It really was! (if you like that extreme level of detail). one thing I took away is that basically on the SPCAPS, the higher the number, the more the impedance and essentially the better quality and higher cost. the next concern that will start to raise is that the 220 models are "cheaped out" and there are 330 470, 560's that are all substantially better quality. the 3090 FTW3 Ultra has 220's - According to the video these are the cheap models with lowest performance for SPCAPS and they will offset any of the higher performance by using the MLCC's if I understood correctly what he was explaining. Other's are using the 470's. the FE used 2X MLCC, 2X 470, 2X 220. so this may still not be over yet. I'll say that I personally do get crashing often when the card hits over 2000mhz on GPU even with a 56c core temp. but that could be all sorts of reasons why.
post edited by kring - 2020/09/26 06:23:26
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 06:42:40
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Thanks for posting this. I feel so lucky to have been e-shafted by EVGA during launch day now. I'll wait another couple months and see who's making the best board and purchase form them.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 07:23:23
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I do really hope zotac comes out with a statement like jacob did, zotac is pumping those cards out to people
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 07:47:40
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Yeah, I agree, but do you like fish sticks? I'll give someone like a crate of fish sticks for a 3080 without any of these issues.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 07:52:36
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jmehalik I do really hope zotac comes out with a statement like jacob did, zotac is pumping those cards out to people
In the buildzoid video you can see that zotac also doesn't have the pads for the 10xmlcc under the SP-caps, and they are using smaller ones than some of the other vendors, so even fixing this problem would be impossible for them with out a new pcb. But its important to note that Zotac gives no guarantee that their cards will be stable at 2000+ MHz. Its likely to not even be that much different overall in performance. If you buy a Zotac you should have no expectation that your card is going to be one of the best OC cards out there. From that perspective you could guess which brands might be better at it, but if you want the highest performing cards you have to wait for reviews.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 07:54:39
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kring
Johnny_Utah
Mr.Gisoid https://forums.evga.com/Message-about-EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3080-POSCAPs-m3095238.aspx
Incredibly informative, thank you.
It really was! (if you like that extreme level of detail). one thing I took away is that basically on the SPCAPS, the higher the number, the more the impedance and essentially the better quality and higher cost. the next concern that will start to raise is that the 220 models are "cheaped out" and there are 330 470, 560's that are all substantially better quality. the 3090 FTW3 Ultra has 220's - According to the video these are the cheap models with lowest performance for SPCAPS and they will offset any of the higher performance by using the MLCC's if I understood correctly what he was explaining. Other's are using the 470's. the FE used 2X MLCC, 2X 470, 2X 220. so this may still not be over yet. I'll say that I personally do get crashing often when the card hits over 2000mhz on GPU even with a 56c core temp. but that could be all sorts of reasons why.
Noticed the the same thing. Also a Gigabyte uses 470's in their OC configuration like FE, maybe Eagle has 470's aswell, whereas Zotac went full 330's , EVGA and MSI 220's. And the most troubled cards so far have been MSI's, Zotacs and XC3's all with 1 or less MLCC and 220/330 SP-caps. So far Gigabyte seems to be doing pretty well with those 470's.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 07:57:59
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SP-Caps are also a Panasonic name for their Aluminum based caps, with the POSCAP being Tantalum based That said, SP and POS are definitely different, as tantalum caps usually have a better stability/reliability rate, and are almost as good as MLCC with some of the newer variations
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 08:23:51
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kring the 3090 FTW3 Ultra has 220's - According to the video these are the cheap models with lowest performance for SPCAPS and they will offset any of the higher performance by using the MLCC's if I understood correctly what he was explaining. Other's are using the 470's. the FE used 2X MLCC, 2X 470, 2X 220.
I mean, they're not really something you can say "ok drop in a higher capacity cap here just because" - it also messes with rectifier designs and how much stress some of the other components get. If EVGAs schematics say 220 vs 330 or a 470, it's probably in tune with the rest of the design - same for others needing more/less in places.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/26 13:11:08
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Interesting to read through all of this. Glad EVGA found the issue.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/27 13:57:18
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, less crashing?
2020/09/27 14:00:59
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Lokator I am mad I just sold my 2080 Ti on ebay.... with this knowledge a week ago I would have sit that out and enjoy my 2080 ti... if I get the 3080 FTW3 via amazon soon and it has low amount or no mlcc, I might consider sending it back after 30 days
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, less crashing?
2020/09/27 14:04:46
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eldub0844 NO way I'm selling my 2080Ti now!
Calm down, don’t panic. I’ve had the card for 3 days now - its fine, it rips, it overclocks, it crushes the 2080 ti. On basic air I made rank 19 on Port Royal HoF with over 14K.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, less crashing?
2020/09/27 14:09:42
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Does the FTW3 have this issue?
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