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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 05:33:53
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 05:35:44
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I can't believe we went through 2 pages this morning alone ;)
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 05:37:31
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whats the real difference between tygon and primoflex stuff?
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 05:47:04
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*shrugs* its tubing. literally any tubing will do, but you want some strength along with flexibility. Plus you don't want to kill yourself getting tubing on fittings. Just remember you get what you pay for (in most cases)
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 05:53:13
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 05:58:57
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after all is said and done, i'm now worried about my psu, running all this equipment, enermax galaxy dxx 1000watt
Running a 5870 and 5970 both Overclocked and a 920 overclocked to about 3.8 4.0.
plus the Mountain Mods case has a ton of fans on its own.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:04:58
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yes it does have lots of fans, but those fans i suggested are for the rads, you dont want to be using low CFM crappy stock fans on a rad. Especially not something with tight fin spacing, say swiftech for example.
the fan controller is not a PSU, its just something so that you can adjust the speed of high RPM fans
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:07:26
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heh... PSU... man do I have some experience with that now  it was a journey down that road, but I am better for it now. I would just advise going with a SINGLE RAIL power supply. multiple rails give your different "accounts" to take from. A single rail will give you one big "account" to take from. If your Hard drives are using 1 amp, why would u give them a 20 amp line? Your graphics cards may need more then 20 amps, so they will suffer, while your hard drives have all the extra current that could be allocated for the graphics just wasting. I forgot about the fans, good call Vokl. If you get Coolermaster fans, they don't need a fan controller, they are VERY quiet on their own. Plus they come in a 4 pack in black or a 2 pack in blue
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:09:19
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Also the nice thing about the MM case, is you get the back panel which has the openings for 2 PSU's. You can wire 2 power supplies. If you get a nice new one, then use that for the mobo and graphics, and thats IT. Use your old one to power the pump, hard drives, fans, dvd's, partridges in pear trees, lights etc. 
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:19:29
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sure you could get some CM fans, but the ultra kaze will blow them away (literally). plus with the fan controller you can simply turn them down to a volume level you like, and then when you need the extra juice you can crank them up to 11. Also don't forget to factor in that the fans i suggested are a 38mm fan and pwn the CM fans in static pressure ;) oh and you guys better watch out, all your records are belong to me    Will be sending in an order to either Sdumper or RunMC hopefully this weekend 
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:34:04
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:41:22
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top one: http://www.under-the-ice....52&products_id=151 made by RunMC, he can be found there or on the XS forums he claims -40c under load from a i7 (1.53vcore 4.9ghz) this claim has been backed up by many people, he underrates them substantially the second one is an unfinished SS being made by Sdumper, he can be found at either http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/ or the XS forums. he claims -32c under a 300w load for $600 delivered or -30c under a 200w load for $450
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:45:18
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Don't forget to factor in fans to the cost, these are my choice for high CFM, low cost, and good static pressure:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185054&Tpk=ultra%20kaze
I like and use those fans... but I like the Delta 250cfm's better... same theory turn them down when you don't need the cooling. If you notice the 66db/cfm... noise to cfm ratio and do the math... they are quieter than most fans when turned down. BTH... our new friend is not that extreme yet and even the Kaze may be too much... but really please get them and just turn them down... if you ever want to do some benching or push your overclock you will be glad you did... and if you don't... just keep them turned down.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:47:51
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you know once he gets this setup, he will just want more.. so why not just set him up with great fans in the first place
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:51:05
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this crap is getting expensive lol, i'm starting to pass my budget.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:53:17
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this crap is getting expensive lol, i'm starting to pass my budget.
welcome to high end cooling ;) let us know what you are planning
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:55:34
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*shrugs* its tubing. literally any tubing will do, but you want some strength along with flexibility. Plus you don't want to kill yourself getting tubing on fittings. Just remember you get what you pay for (in most cases)
Not true... I don't know about Primoflex... but I can vouch for Tygon... I bought some of the cheaper ClearFlex that was said to be the same as R3603... it is not... clouds up faster and not as much flex. There is a huge difference and don't even think about the Home Depot stuff. You can run 7/16" Tygon on 1/2" barbs... best choice. 3/8" on 1/2'' barbs... even more secure with less flow (undocumented... this needs to be done). Worm drive hose clamps can leak... been there done that... if you notice when they are close... they do not fit tightly all the way around. I found that the best thing to use for clamps id you are going to use them are nylon ties... three of them staggered with the gaps/catches in different spots... ugly but compact and secure.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:57:20
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i'm going with compression fittings for aesethics and simplicity, any objections?
I'm going with 3 120.3 Swiftech Radiators.
30 feet of primoflex tubing. still undecided if its better or worth it over the Tygon r3606
T-virus Resevoir.
Mountain Mods Ascension case.
2 of the 120.3 in front, 1 in the back.
thats the main concept
And then Watercooling the CPU and a 5970 and 5870
Waterblocks for all three are not confirmed.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:58:01
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you know once he gets this setup, he will just want more.. so why not just set him up with great fans in the first place
+1... ROFL!!! So very true... I have so much stuf sitting around that was a compromise... I just wish I would have got the good stuff right from the start.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 06:59:51
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thats kinda why i'm just going extreme to start, 3 radiators for a first time build, this is gonna be sick, once all is done i'll post some pics, hopefully i dont blow myself apart.
I'm gonna drop the hammer and order the rads pump and tubing, last call, primoflex or Tygon? you guys can fight about it.
Waterblocks, Fittings, and Resevoir/case will be bought at a later time.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:00:55
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:01:40
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:03:53
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my only objection would be going compression fittings for "simplicity" not to say that difficult but what could be more simple and effective than a barb and a worm drive clamp. as for blocks i suggest you check out EK for GPU and then HK or the Swiftech XT for CPU. Eddy and EK have really shown massive improvement and phenomenal quality in his latest products @ nateman The pictures are of custom Single Stage units made by RunMC and Sdumper right now i'm shooting for getting into the top 15 for 3dmark 01 and dropping my Super Pi times by a decent margin (hoping for sub 9s for now)
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:08:21
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Re:Get It Colder II
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:14:18
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You want to be the one to tell my son that he can't have a decent education because daddy wanted the Quad radiator? LOL
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:19:49
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:21:13
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You want to be the one to tell my son that he can't have a decent education because daddy wanted the Quad radiator? LOL
The radiators are very little more.... don't know about the panels.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:24:26
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sure you could get some CM fans, but the ultra kaze will blow them away (literally). plus with the fan controller you can simply turn them down to a volume level you like, and then when you need the extra juice you can crank them up to 11. Also don't forget to factor in that the fans i suggested are a 38mm fan and pwn the CM fans in static pressure ;)
First person that has agreed with me on that... smart... very smart! Even smarter with 250cfm Deltas! But at least you can use an average controller with the Kaze... not so with the Delta's
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Re:Get It Colder II
2009/12/03 07:25:16
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stop being cheap, how old is your son? tell him to get a job to help pay for the education. the panels are part of the Ascension, Choose Your Own. They come with the case, you can choose any panel you would like. I went that route and I am so thankful for it. I also make my own panels when I want to do something crazy (stay tuned for those pics )
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