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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 12:39:22 (permalink)
I will stay with what I got for now. first time sli with 660ti I will wait till my amazon charge card is all paid off. then maybe upgrade time

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 12:59:19 (permalink)
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 13:14:34 (permalink)
I try to imagine look of model...
In my mind that is something like 580 3GB only wider and longer...

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 13:17:11 (permalink)
LOL! Oops Proshop.dk XD Well at least we know it's there.
GeForce Titan: DKK 7276,-
GTX 690: DKK 6837,-
That is ~ +6.42 %
Just a heads-up.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 13:55:29 (permalink)
Lehpron is a smart man.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 14:09:37 (permalink)
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Lehpron is a smart man.
Facetious?  Pretty much everyone with faith has made this out to be the Holy Grail, but it is a Pandora's Box; people we're not careful with what they wished for.  Assuming that screenshot wasn't fabricated, given the past few leaks, gotta give people hope ():
  1. It isn't a GTX780 
  2. It costs more than GTX690  
  3. we don't even know frequencies, and whoever took the screenshot could have hit the specs tab. 
  4. whether the voltage is limited, and how close max board power is to the available power connectors
  5. If specs absolutely match Tesla K20X, it would run closer to GTX680 Classified than half-way to GTX690-- making GTX690 a better deal with a total of 16 SMX at 915MHz.  But even Sapphire's 6GB HD7970 doesn't sell well if they are the only ones making the variant.
We'll all find out Feb 18th.
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 14:22:17 (permalink)
Oh nice!  These rumors are good for me.
 
Dibs on the sucker who is selling his EVGA GTX 680 3GB for $300 
 

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 14:22:50 (permalink)
Heh. Speculation about cards here is almost worse than with Apple products. Yes we know some day there will be a 780 and iPhone 6 :D
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 14:42:50 (permalink)
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 16:38:17 (permalink)
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Heh. Speculation about cards here is almost worse than with Apple products. Yes we know some day there will be a 780 and iPhone 6 :D

 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 17:25:46 (permalink)
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gutcheck

http://videocardz.com/393...-titan-listed-online-2



This link isn't working for me.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 17:42:09 (permalink)
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gutcheck
http://videocardz.com/393...-titan-listed-online-2

This link isn't working for me.

Here's the screenshot from the link:


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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 18:03:23 (permalink)
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2688-core multiplied by 732MHz = 1536-core multiplied by 1281MHz-- if any of you have your GTX680's up that high, congratulations:  You have a Titan, do the math yourself, it is that simple.
 
I have been thinking about that as well while reading the various rumors. My 680 cards will run a minimum of 1202 MHz and one card will run at over 1300 MHz. Assuming the Titan card is setup with 2688-cores, NVIDIA would have to increase the core frequency substantially past 732 MHz in order for there to be any significant performance increase over the 680 cards.
...and the caveat I haven't mentioned was memory bandwidth.  The 256-bit interface didn't bother GK104 against HD7970, but this "Titan" is expected to have 40% more bandwidth and more than 2GB-- are the GK104's being held back?  How high have you gotten your GTX680's Vram frequency up to increase the bandwidth, was any initial performance increase seemingly linear with increase in bandwidth (implying a true bandwidth bottleneck)?

 
On average I am able to set the memory via my 680s at 7000 MHz effective +/- 5%. If I remember right, these cards come with memory rated for 7000 MHz effective. I have only seen minimal gains by increasing the memory frequency past stock and I would not say that the performance increase is linear to frequency increase. I do not see the memory as a bottleneck via the 680 cards. When Kepler first came out, some people assumed that since the memory width was reduced to 256-bit, that the card would have a memory bottleneck. However, the memory frequency is significantly higher than previous generation cards and as such the overall bandwidth is similar to before. I do not see the 384-bit bus of Tesla K20x giving much of an increase in performance for gamers.
 
One other enhancement of the SMX unit with the GPU of the K20x is that the L2 cache was doubled to 1.5 MB and the data width to the cache was also doubled. I am not sure how much of a difference this will give for gaming however. The changes for cache memory may benefit the compute applications more.
 
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Per Andrew_K's thought above, rather than to rebrand a Tesla K20X and loose 80% premium, a factory overclock using refreshed or optimized GK104 (GK114?) die is the least wasteful approach to a GTX780.  That was 580 was to 480, a refresh with another cluster enabled, and all of you bought into it to some degree.  I could say a 3GB K20X with the same base clock would dive to around 210W, and raising the clock raised to 1GHz could put it closer to 240W-- reasonable considering GTX280 at 236W-- with an estimated performance of around 50% faster than GTX680.  But where is the competitor to justify it?  nVidia would only be replacing their own GTX680/GTX690 sales, which I bet are cheaper to produce.  Believe me I've tried buying into this rumor so many times, LEAN keeps kicking in; can't ignore the economy, can't ignore the competition.

 
One enhancement I can see for the gaming community is for NVIDIA to default to at least 3-4GB of memory. This is one of the main subjects discussed in the 600-series forums, is not having enough memory. While I have found 2GB of memory to be sufficient for the resolution I am running, I can see where in a multi-monitor setup with AA enabled and future games, that the extra memory would come in handy. If NVIDIA could setup a process for additional binning with the GK104 such as setting a minimal factory boost frequency of 1300 MHz or greater, that should help improve gaming performance as well. The alternative may be setup a GPU in between the GK104 and GK110 that has additional SMX units but not as many as the K20x while setting the frequency to a similar level of the 680. It would have to be the right combination of units vs frequency to give a performance increase while keeping the power consumption levels down to a reasonable level and also keeping the manufacturing costs down.
 
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Of course, I'm sure AMD could respond with another GHz Ed move too, already their Richland APU parts look to be rebranded Trinity with higher frequencies.  Considering their OEM graphics have been quietly rebranded outright, what is stopping nVidia from doing the same thing by rebranding OEM and making retail marginally better, what if they already are?  If it wasn't for Haswell's debut this year, I would have believed in the Q4 2013 delay rumor by both companies, the evidence is suggestive.

 
To be honest, I am not sold on investing in a new Kepler card unless I know that there are going to be some substantial increases in performance over the existing line of cards, especially considering the rumored high pricing. While I enjoy gaming, I mainly use my cards for distributed computing purposes. At the moment, my 7970 is running approximately 35% faster than my 680 with the app that I am running assuming all other hardware is the same. I would like to see what the 8970 from AMD will bring to the table compared to a new Kepler card assuming there is going to be one soon and evaluate all options.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 18:04:03 (permalink)
hahaha, this thread is classic. 
 
Maybe the 780 is really delayed and this card is for suckers like me who have kept their wallet in their pocket since 2009?
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 18:37:21 (permalink)
cisco0623 
hahaha, this thread is classic.
I enjoyed it just as much, if you play it safe and not make mistakes, you don't learn much.  That said this is only the second rumor gamble I've made in two years.
cisco0623 
Maybe the 780 is really delayed and this card is for suckers like me who have kept their wallet in their pocket since 2009? 
So you would justify paying more than GTX690 is worth for less performance?  Titan's base frequency would have to be 1046MHz just to match GTX690 (since GTX690 has a total of 16 SMX in two GK104's versus the possible 14 SMX die of Titan).  But if it matches the specs of K20X with a base frequency of 732MHz, it is a joke; better hope it will overclock well and nVidia didn't limit voltage.  
 
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One enhancement I can see for the gaming community is for NVIDIA to default to at least 3-4GB of memory. This is one of the main subjects discussed in the 600-series forums, is not having enough memory.
Forgive me, but sometimes I see the Vram issue as a placebo.  On one hand, I'll always recommend people get more Vram if they can for future uses that aren't represented in todays reviews.  On the other hand, games seems to use what is available and performance of modern games doesn't vary much with more Vram.  Tom's Hardware did a review of that 6GB Sapphire HD7970, the only time the extra Vram had an effect was with six-1080p displays (which is equal 4096 x 2560 resolution), but the performance dropped those games into their teens of frame rates.  One Titan could do the same with rates in the 20's, 3-way SLI could make it smooth in the 60's; but that could be $3000 of graphics cards.  But if one could afford a single 4K res...
 
I am curious to know the frequency specs of Titan, I hope it isn't a duplication of K20X otherwise it had better be allowed to overclock far.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 19:09:24 (permalink)
lehpronSo you would justify paying more than GTX690 is worth for less performance?  Titan's base frequency would have to be 1046MHz just to match GTX690 (since GTX690 has a total of 16 SMX in two GK104's versus the possible 14 SMX die of Titan).  But if it matches the specs of K20X with a base frequency of 732MHz, it is a joke; better hope it will overclock well and nVidia didn't limit voltage.
You have to factor in the 690 has two chips which has a performance cost of 10 to 20%.  (Then, you have to put down that SLI doesn't work in all games.)

post edited by seronx - 2013/02/07 19:10:59
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 19:18:18 (permalink)
Everyone seems to be only looking at frequencies and cores....does no one realize that in addition to all gk110 offers in cores, it also has a much larger memory bus.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/07 20:59:15 (permalink)
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Forgive me, but sometimes I see the Vram issue as a placebo.  On one hand, I'll always recommend people get more Vram if they can for future uses that aren't represented in todays reviews.  On the other hand, games seems to use what is available and performance of modern games doesn't vary much with more Vram.  Tom's Hardware did a review of that 6GB Sapphire HD7970, the only time the extra Vram had an effect was with six-1080p displays (which is equal 4096 x 2560 resolution), but the performance dropped those games into their teens of frame rates.  One Titan could do the same with rates in the 20's, 3-way SLI could make it smooth in the 60's; but that could be $3000 of graphics cards.  But if one could afford a single 4K res... 

I am curious to know the frequency specs of Titan, I hope it isn't a duplication of K20X otherwise it had better be allowed to overclock far.

 
I agree that it does seem to be a placebo at times. I personally run 2560x1600 resolution and have yet to see a case where I needed more VRAM. The closet I got was with the New Dawn demo from NVIDIA which did use up the majority of my VRAM with max settings. Even then, I did not see any indication of frame rates dropping due to memory usage. Far Cry 3 is running good via my 2GB cards at this resolution as well. Before the 4GB cards came out, there were several forum members here running multiple monitors and much higher resolution than myself without any problems. However, being that I have only run the single monitor myself, I cannot say with certainty that the extra memory would not help with higher resolutions across multiple displays.

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Asus list the GeForce Titan, Prepare to make your significant/wallet all scream NO 2013/02/07 22:59:40 (permalink)
http://videocardz.com/393...-titan-listed-online-2
 
The card is listed for 7.276,00 kr (€900, $1300). This is the European price with a high tax rate. So it seems that the rumors were true, and the card is already being prepared for sale. The product website has already been taken down. First units should arrive on February 18th. Stay tuned for more leaks!

 
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Re:Asus list the GeForce Titan, Prepare to make your significant/wallet all scream NO 2013/02/07 23:13:53 (permalink)
I wonder if they're gonna have a 12GB version.  LoL.

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Re:Asus list the GeForce Titan, Prepare to make your significant/wallet all scream NO 2013/02/07 23:25:39 (permalink)
boyleryaI wonder if they're gonna have a 12GB version.  LoL.
8 -> 12 GB is getting skipped.
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 05:34:54 (permalink)
7276DKK is just abowe 8100SEK so i am good to go for 2+ IF it turns out any good or if the card will exist at that price or at all.
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So you would justify paying more than GTX690 is worth for less performance?  Titan's base frequency would have to be 1046MHz just to match GTX690 (since GTX690 has a total of 16 SMX in two GK104's versus the possible 14 SMX die of Titan).  But if it matches the specs of K20X with a base frequency of 732MHz, it is a joke; better hope it will overclock well and nVidia didn't limit voltage.  

As long as there is games that still dont use CF/SLI stronger singel GPU is the way to go even if it at itself is weaker than the dual solution, but thats just my way i gone ever since i traded 9800Gx2 for GTX280 with one wrongmove to 5970 and it never failed yet.
Depending on its performance i am willing to pay what 690 cost(8300-8900SEK) for Titan and convert the 7276DKK its just above 8100SEK so it are still cheaper.
We just have to wait and see how it turns out performacewice and keep blame gamedeveloper for not adopt CF/SLI on new titles as it should be standard 2013 to use CF/SLI.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 06:21:26 (permalink)
Have we actually had official confirmation this card is going to happen yet ?
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 08:16:54 (permalink)
No. Just speculation about it's wallet raping price tag.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 10:09:52 (permalink)
Omg guies I saw a 780 Titan listed on buypcpartnao.biz.org.net.co.uk. 1900MHZ and 6GB omgomgomgomgogmogm.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 11:50:53 (permalink)

 

     
http://videocardz.com/393...itan-pcb-pictured-sort
 

 
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AMD launched the Radeon HD 7000-series for more than a year ago, and many are starting to look ahead to the next generation, the Radeon HD 8000th But now AMD confirms on Twitter that the company does not have a new graphics card family on the way in the near future.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 12:38:52 (permalink)
Anything a company officially says about upcoming relases (if any) is PR and usually regarding short-term; it is only meant to calm the masses, and hopefully skeptics remain so until product debut.
 
The fuzzy picture is different from the PCB of a K20 (see solder side photos mid-way down), the 6+8 pin is in a different position; plus it looks like two photo overlays where the GPU IHS is from a different shot to be in focus, could be from another graphics card or even faked.  Even videocardz has another article claiming GTX780 has no GK110, and the only way this makes sense is because the Danish store listed the Asus model number as "GTXTITAN-6GD5" with no 780 present in the model name.  It is consistent since they call their GTX680 as "GTX680-2GD5".  So Titan and 780 aren't synonyms, they are two different things. 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 14:06:26 (permalink)
I cannot fathom nvidia making a card that would run as hot as this and not make a vent all the way across the top/second slot.
 
If that pic is right, plan on it dumping copious amounts of heat into the case.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 14:35:07 (permalink)
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I cannot fathom nvidia making a card that would run as hot as this and not make a vent all the way across the top/second slot.

If that pic is right, plan on it dumping copious amounts of heat into the case.

 
One thing I like about the Tesla K20 is the air-flow bracket. Without having any video connectors in the way, both slots are completely vented with a similar setup to what EVGA did with their high-flow brackets for air flow.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/08 14:56:06 (permalink)
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Even videocardz has another article claiming GTX780 has no GK110, and the only way this makes sense is because the Danish store listed the Asus model number as "GTXTITAN-6GD5" with no 780 present in the model name.  It is consistent since they call their GTX680 as "GTX680-2GD5".  So Titan and 780 aren't synonyms, they are two different things. 

Its kind of a given that we're all hearing that that Titan is the return of like 8800Ultra, just like how we had the GTX8800 and 8800 Ultra. 
 
Dual GPU > Titan > GTX780 > GTX770 etc

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