I never said Wccftech had a great image
and I currently avoid the site most of the time because of FUD
 
 
as for the AMD rumor(off topic again)
 
on Tom's hardware
AMD Confirms Radeon HD 8000 Delay  
http://www.tomshardware.c...orce-HD8000,20979.html
 
 
 

Rei86
Its kind of a given that we're all hearing that Titan is the return of like 8800Ultra, just like how we had the GTX8800 and 8800 Ultra.  
Dual GPU > Titan > GTX780 > GTX770 etc

Seeing that I started out on the perspective of disbelief, it isn't a given to me what position Titan holds.  I can only assume that nVidia has done their homework and knows the odds of success if they brought it this far-- and just because I don't get it doesn't mean they don't.  But the economy and market are sensitive wildcards and they will price accordingly.

That said, honestly, I regard Titan as a phantom or a Frankenstein.  It isn't part of the sequence and is a potential one-off that could end up like Intel's Skulltrail where there never will be a successor being out of most people's reach.  
 
The gap between GTX680 and GTX690 was artificial, coincidence and pure luck and it might be the same deal with AMD's refresh, should it come about such that the gap remains as you'd theorized with Titan between GTX780 and GTX790.  Unless the 2560sp part ends up as a HD7980-- AMD has to have something to do all year.

lehpron

Rei86
Its kind of a given that we're all hearing that Titan is the return of like 8800Ultra, just like how we had the GTX8800 and 8800 Ultra.  
Dual GPU > Titan > GTX780 > GTX770 etc

Seeing that I started out on the perspective of disbelief, it isn't a given to me what position Titan holds.  I can only assume that nVidia has done their homework and knows the odds of success if they brought it this far-- and just because I don't get it doesn't mean they don't.  But the economy and market are sensitive wildcards and they will price accordingly.

That said, honestly, I regard Titan as a phantom or a Frankenstein.  It isn't part of the sequence and is a potential one-off that could end up like Intel's Skulltrail where there never will be a successor being out of most people's reach.  

The gap between GTX680 and GTX690 was artificial, coincidence and pure luck and it might be the same deal with AMD's refresh, should it come about such that the gap remains as you'd theorized with Titan between GTX780 and GTX790.  Unless the 2560sp part ends up as a HD7980-- AMD has to have something to do all year.

 
You know if we think about it your way we might not even have a "GTX790" card this generation and have the Titan, the be all end all card for Nvidia this generation. 
 
While I do wait for the reports, the news and especially the reviews I have my wallet ready for this thing...however it makes me think about what the Maxwell might be vs this Titan that's supposed to come out this year.                                       

Two things made me laugh out loud:

1. gutcheck's mention of Crysis 3 -- especially since most folks here called the second one a "port" and the graphics requirements only went up 50% (GTS450 versus 8800GT) when the difference between the first and second was almost 300% apart (6800GT versus 8800GT).  The game isn't going to live up to the hype many are making for it.
2. The pre-order price of Asus' Titan -- be careful what you wish for, is it worth saying that to Titan hopefuls?  I'm impressed by the 915MHz base clock (exactly 25% higher than K20X) with 6GHz Vram, the 512-bit interface is a surprise in the sense that Tesla cards used 384-bit, so certainly 60% better than GTX680 is possible-- but slower than a single GTX690 while costing more than a GTX690.  
   • With power I'm not certain, the 732MHz base for K20X with 5.2GHz Vram led to 235W draw.  But at least the max of 6+8 pin allows 300W.

I have always wanted to go best single gpu since my 295's, but if its real and Asus/EVGA are going to try and charge $1600 for it I would laugh.
 

boylerya Isnt the GPU in the Titan taken from the scrap GPUs that were not good enough to be used as the K20X, so rather than throwing them away they are implementing them as the GeForce Titan to turn a loss into a gain.

I'd buy that if there were less SMX's enabled, but rumors still suggest using the same 14 SMX as K20X or even the full 15 SMX die that nothing else uses-- that doesn't seem like a failed die situation, unless the leakage was bad and the voltage is higher, which is possible too.
 
I think as someone else mentioned, maybe yields just got better.
 

boyleryaPlus have the bragging rights for selling the fastest GPU on the market to rub in AMDs face.

But they already did, GTX680 was faster than HD7970 and GTX690 was faster than the few unofficial HD7990's floating around.  They never did what they did with Titan on this caliber before since AMD doesn't even have a competitor this time, that was why it threw me off.  Most companies don't do that; but they usually don't have that kind of opportunity where your only other competitor trips up and you effectively have a brief monopoly.  It is like a Perfect Storm and Feng Shui came together, what else would you do but ride that wave?
 
So are you settled on this, how many are you planning to get and do you have the PSU ready?
 

boylerya 
I would pay if it were a single GPU with up around 2x the performance of a GTX690 for the price you stated of $1600. 

Definitely not twice, it has the same base clock with about the same total number of CUDA cores; the only real benefits are scaling beyond two cards and possibly using less power per card.

lehpron

boylerya Isnt the GPU in the Titan taken from the scrap GPUs that were not good enough to be used as the K20X, so rather than throwing them away they are implementing them as the GeForce Titan to turn a loss into a gain.

I'd buy that if there were less SMX's enabled, but rumors still suggest using the same 14 SMX as K20X or even the full 15 SMX die that nothing else uses-- that doesn't seem like a failed die situation, unless the leakage was bad and the voltage is higher, which is possible too.

I think as someone else mentioned, maybe yields just got better.

boyleryaPlus have the bragging rights for selling the fastest GPU on the market to rub in AMDs face.

But they already did, GTX680 was faster than HD7970 and GTX690 was faster than the few unofficial HD7990's floating around.  They never did what they did with Titan on this caliber before since AMD doesn't even have a competitor this time, that was why it threw me off.  Most companies don't do that; but they usually don't have that kind of opportunity where your only other competitor trips up and you effectively have a brief monopoly.  It is like a Perfect Storm and Feng Shui came together, what else would you do but ride that wave?

So are you settled on this, how many are you planning to get and do you have the PSU ready?

boylerya 
I would pay if it were a single GPU with up around 2x the performance of a GTX690 for the price you stated of $1600. 

Definitely not twice, it has the same base clock with about the same total number of CUDA cores; the only real benefits are scaling beyond two cards and possibly using less power per card.

I have a 1000W PSU and I will most likely grab one and then either grab another a year later or sell and buy a better video card if available.  Given the performance is appropriate to the price.  That is why I was saying for $1600 it would need to be up around 2x the GTX690.  But I would pay $899 for a card that is a bit slower than the GTX690 considering the Titan is a single GPU.  Which for games like Dark Souls with Durante's fix the Titan will run almost twice as fast as the GTX690 considering the game is not SLI compatible.  That is the angle I am coming from in that I have been holding off on a handful of games that dont utilize SLI and are uber performance intensive.

lehpron

Well I wish you getting Titan the best of luck in your gaming adventure with it, I hope to read your brag thread where you test it, and include some Vram gauging as well.

The 6GB VRAM is insane.  If they had a 3GB and 6GB version, I would most likely grab a 3GB considering I have not come across a single game that can even utilize that with everything maxed out @ 1600p.  That 6GB VRAM is the first thing I saw that made me think the release of this card is complete BS.  BTW, I will be late getting the card, prob beginning of May.  Hopefully by then they will have a Classified version or something.  Chances are even if I get the card at launch there is someone else that will be bragging on the forums posting stuff with two or three of these in SLI.

I wouldn't care if 690 can show higher max fps then titan. What i DO care - titan will have higher minimum fps then both 680 & 690. +Will have more vram and hopefully updated to newer rev video outputs.
Titan with some UHD 32" Sharp PN-K321 or westinghouse 50" UHD .. extra vram certainly won't hurt there.
I'd get 680 or 690 much sooner if someone would have released 30+" QHD displays. These cards certainly are more then adequate for 2560x1600. BUT - UHD came before such displays (if there will ever be such at all). And for those 2G vram is inadequate.

I only posted that pre order page so Lehpron would work his math magic on the frequencies. No way in hell would I spend $1600 on a card, never mind the fact we haven't even seen a shred of evidence of the thing even existing. Besides, I would rather purchase 3x680's with that kind of money and be more than happy. When or if it is released, I wouldn't pay more than $899 for one to be honest no matter how powerful.    

I was half kidding about the Crysis 3 thing, but it could be a marketing thing.  I will tell you that the  beta is a slide show on my PC in surround.
 

lehpron

Two things made me laugh out loud:

1. gutcheck's mention of Crysis 3 -- especially since most folks here called the second one a "port" and the graphics requirements only went up 50% (GTS450 versus 8800GT) when the difference between the first and second was almost 300% apart (6800GT versus 8800GT).  The game isn't going to live up to the hype many are making for it.
2. The pre-order price of Asus' Titan -- be careful what you wish for, is it worth saying that to Titan hopefuls?  I'm impressed by the 915MHz base clock (exactly 25% higher than K20X) with 6GHz Vram, the 512-bit interface is a surprise in the sense that Tesla cards used 384-bit, so certainly 60% better than GTX680 is possible-- but slower than a single GTX690 while costing more than a GTX690.  
   • With power I'm not certain, the 732MHz base for K20X with 5.2GHz Vram led to 235W draw.  But at least the max of 6+8 pin allows 300W.

Ok so forgive my noobness.  If the "Titan" is coming, any guesses on a potential release date?  
 
FK

boylerya 
Hopefully by then they will have a Classified version or something.

You want a free T-shirt that says Titan Classified?
 
I think it was Rei86 that suggested this might be a limited run, as opposed to part of the 600 series (even though it could have been a GTX685), and I buy that considering the circumstances and how high the pre-order price is.  Except unlike GTX690, I don't think EVGA will make this (or at least they'll be second this time, since they were first with 690).  But overall I think we're looking at an Asus MARS type without being dual-GPU, an elite specialty product and priced accordingly.  
 

Rei86 
however it makes me think about what the Maxwell might be vs this Titan that's supposed to come out this year.  

My guess, Maxwell = Kepler shrunk to 20nm, just like Intel giving codenames to shrunk architectures and not changing too much; so it sells easier (just like the NOAA giving names to winter storms like they were land hurricanes to get the word out easier). 

PanzerMensch
I only posted that pre order page so lehpron would work his math magic on the frequencies.

Well I am ignoring # of ROP's, but the math only works as an "up to" for GPU-intensive situations provided the memory bandwidth scales equally; which is reported to doubled from GTX680, so real numbers can scale even higher.
 
But here you go : (2688 x 915) ÷ (1536 x 1006) = 1.5917, if the core count is accurate, it will be up to 60% faster than a single 680 in purely GPU-intensive apps, at stock; assuming 60% higher memory bandwidth.
 
That said, if you want to go by this supposed leaked performance chart, the math seems to be represented.
 
We got about a week and a half to find the shred of evidence of the thing even existing, but two independent accidental published listings can be construed as confirmation, although they weren't accidentally published at the same time and the 512-bit interface seems like something we want to hear.

lehpron

boylerya 
Hopefully by then they will have a Classified version or something.

You want a free T-shirt that says Titan Classified?

I think it was Rei86 that suggested this might be a limited run, as opposed to part of the 600 series (even though it could have been a GTX685), and I buy that considering the circumstances and how high the pre-order price is.  Except unlike GTX690, I don't think EVGA will make this (or at least they'll be second this time, since they were first with 690).  But overall I think we're looking at an Asus MARS type without being dual-GPU, an elite specialty product and priced accordingly.  

Rei86 
however it makes me think about what the Maxwell might be vs this Titan that's supposed to come out this year.  

My guess, Maxwell = Kepler shrunk to 20nm, just like Intel giving codenames to shrunk architectures and not changing too much; so it sells easier (just like the NOAA giving names to winter storms like they were land hurricanes to get the word out easier). 

PanzerMensch
I only posted that pre order page so lehpron would work his math magic on the frequencies.

Well I am ignoring # of ROP's, but the math only works as an "up to" for GPU-intensive situations provided the memory bandwidth scales equally; which is reported to doubled from GTX680, so real numbers can scale even higher.

But here you go : (2688 x 915) ÷ (1536 x 1006) = 1.5917, if the core count is accurate, it will be up to 60% faster than a single 680 in purely GPU-intensive apps, at stock; assuming 60% higher memory bandwidth.

That said, if you want to go by this supposed leaked performance chart, the math seems to be represented.

We got about a week and a half to find the shred of evidence of the thing even existing, but two independent accidental published listings can be construed as confirmation, although they weren't accidentally published at the same time and the 512-bit interface seems like something we want to hear.

 
Two things we do not know what the final clocks will be so of course all of this is guessing with a little guidance from the k20 and k20x...
 
but the memory bandwidth will not be nearly as much of a jump over the 680 as you are assuming "if" they do clock the memory at 5200mhz effective ... doing the math we are looking at closer to a 30% difference of actual thruput stock to stock ... now a classified at 7200 has 20% more memory bandwidth than a stock reference 680 and between 8-10% of the rumored Titan stock ... 230gb/s vs 249gb/x. Of course what the titan can do with overclocking the ram is unknown and changes all of that.
 
Be fun to see what this card does, be better to know whether it is a real upgrade for a classified or lightning owner :) or high overclocking reference design owner for that matter.
 

nevermind,,,