TheNaitsyrk
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 06:55:01
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Have anyone tried flashing 1000W bios onto the FTW3? I want to do it but only if it's compatible. I was scrolling and reading for hours and I only got half way so it's easier to ask.
Some people have, and cards with high, stock PCIE slot power draw draw even more (reports of 93+ watts just to get to the 500W mark). I'd not recommend flashing it unless you can afford to have your warranty denied.
Thank you. Just wanted to flash it and then flash back to see if 500W would perform better. I do have 6pin in my X299 Dark for supplementary PCI-E power. What do you think?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 07:07:17
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Thank you.
Just wanted to flash it and then flash back to see if 500W would perform better. I do have 6pin in my X299 Dark for supplementary PCI-E power. What do you think?
No problem. My stance on out of spec PCIE draw is well documented on this thread - it's out of spec and not all motherboards can handle it (short or long term), and if it's out of spec when stock then that's cause to RMA (which I've done). It's your system/money - so do with it as you will.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 09:58:00
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arestavo
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Thank you.
Just wanted to flash it and then flash back to see if 500W would perform better. I do have 6pin in my X299 Dark for supplementary PCI-E power. What do you think?
No problem. My stance on out of spec PCIE draw is well documented on this thread - it's out of spec and not all motherboards can handle it (short or long term), and if it's out of spec when stock then that's cause to RMA (which I've done).
It's your system/money - so do with it as you will.
I would RMA but the problem is brexit. I'll pay a lot to get it sent back...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 10:06:03
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Thank you.
Just wanted to flash it and then flash back to see if 500W would perform better. I do have 6pin in my X299 Dark for supplementary PCI-E power. What do you think?
No problem. My stance on out of spec PCIE draw is well documented on this thread - it's out of spec and not all motherboards can handle it (short or long term), and if it's out of spec when stock then that's cause to RMA (which I've done).
It's your system/money - so do with it as you will.
I would RMA but the problem is brexit. I'll pay a lot to get it sent back...
If you RMA with the 1000W VBIOS on the card EVGA will not warranty the card, so there's that to think about as well if you're worried about customs fees.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 13:35:33
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arestavo
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arestavo
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Thank you.
Just wanted to flash it and then flash back to see if 500W would perform better. I do have 6pin in my X299 Dark for supplementary PCI-E power. What do you think?
No problem. My stance on out of spec PCIE draw is well documented on this thread - it's out of spec and not all motherboards can handle it (short or long term), and if it's out of spec when stock then that's cause to RMA (which I've done).
It's your system/money - so do with it as you will.
I would RMA but the problem is brexit. I'll pay a lot to get it sent back...
If you RMA with the 1000W VBIOS on the card EVGA will not warranty the card, so there's that to think about as well if you're worried about customs fees.
If RMA before the flashing of course. I wouldn't send it to them with 1000W bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 14:48:28
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If RMA before the flashing of course. I wouldn't send it to them with 1000W bios.
Of course. That assumes that the card is functioning when you need to RMA it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 18:37:37
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arestavo
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Thank you.
Just wanted to flash it and then flash back to see if 500W would perform better. I do have 6pin in my X299 Dark for supplementary PCI-E power. What do you think?
No problem. My stance on out of spec PCIE draw is well documented on this thread - it's out of spec and not all motherboards can handle it (short or long term), and if it's out of spec when stock then that's cause to RMA (which I've done).
It's your system/money - so do with it as you will.
I would RMA but the problem is brexit. I'll pay a lot to get it sent back...
If you RMA with the 1000W VBIOS on the card EVGA will not warranty the card, so there's that to think about as well if you're worried about customs fees.
If RMA before the flashing of course. I wouldn't send it to them with 1000W bios.
If i was you i would just wait till the end of the month and hope the new resizable bar bios fixes the issues.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 22:18:41
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Just got 2 2114 Batch FTW3 Ultras. Testing the first one and it still has the power balancing issues.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/06 22:52:05
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Just got 2 2114 Batch FTW3 Ultras. Testing the first one and it still has the power balancing issues.
I think the 3090 FTW3 cards will have power balancing issues until the redesign the circuit board and create a newer revision.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/07 03:50:29
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bavor
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Just got 2 2114 Batch FTW3 Ultras. Testing the first one and it still has the power balancing issues.
I think the 3090 FTW3 cards will have power balancing issues until the redesign the circuit board and create a newer revision.
If that's the case that's a huge RMA happening. Need to research how I need to send the parcel to EU without import taxes since it's RMA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/07 07:41:14
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Both 2114 cards had power balancing issues of course.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/07 08:41:16
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Mine got RMA, I'm waiting for the new card before sending the old one. I'll see if I can at least reach around 500W ... My current is only able to do 400 ... (removed) edit by Mod Cool GTX
post edited by Cool GTX - 2021/03/07 08:43:47
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/07 09:56:03
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My one is exactly the same. I'll be calling EVGA tomorrow asking ton of questions
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/07 19:05:33
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TheNaitsyrk
If that's the case that's a huge RMA happening.
The XC3 bios seems to work OK. I'm hoping they release an updated bios since I've already had one RMA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/07 20:10:28
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If that's the case that's a huge RMA happening.
The XC3 bios seems to work OK. I'm hoping they release an updated bios since I've already had one RMA.
Might score well but who knows how its putting the power out. I just wish an EVGA would acknowledge the issues and stop acting like their cards are fine when it seems like over 90% of cards are out of spec.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 00:53:05
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Well I think I’m finally going to call evga this week and request a rma. I’ve been waiting since November for a solution but it seems there is non. Using stock and xoc bios my card is power limited, unbalanced power draw. Pcie slot max is +80w even with the stock bios. Randomly getting black screens, couple times the fans would spool up to max, vga errors even when it’s fully seated. I didn’t buy this card for gaming and I’m worried it’s going to damage my other components. Edit: I see people mention their rma’d cards have the same exact problems still. How common is it to get a correctly functioning card?
post edited by EvgaUser2711201 - 2021/03/08 00:56:26
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 01:33:40
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Hi folks, could some kind soul please point me towards how I test / demonstrate the power balance issue? 3090 FTW3 non ultra here.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 02:46:11
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Hi folks, could some kind soul please point me towards how I test / demonstrate the power balance issue? 3090 FTW3 non ultra here.
Open GPU-Z and run Heaven 4 whilst power and voltage sliders in MSI Afterburner are cranked to 100% and beyond. Then see total GPU power usage in GPU-Z sensors page. I tried to benchmark my PC in TimeSpy my 10980XE at 5.2Ghz is getting almost 20000 CPU score which is a lot higher than TEC cooled 10900K by about 2000 points but GPU (FTW3 Ultra 3090) is pulling me down. If it could use all the power and stabilise it's clocks I'd been much much higher in the table.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 03:11:30
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I just called EVGA. They said that I need to open an RMA ticket etc but they seemed to already know about the PCI-E power pulling too many watts and different GPU BIOS from the forum. I said none of them change a thing.
When I said that other cards like MSI Trio 3090 people are flashing EVGA BIOS designed for FTW3 Ultra and are destroying performance metrics in any benchmarks which effectively makes their card not just cheaper but also faster, so I mentioned to them to reply to us here for update or something....
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 06:46:01
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I just installed the bykski waterblock from aliexpress, with the black back plate. I was surprised to see the original backplate does have a copper heat spreader for cooling the RAM at the back of the card.
I was only able to go from 14.3 to 14.7 in Port Royal but temperatures are much better. During a loop of port royal the highest temp was 60C, with my water loop hitting 41C. I've got a quad rad (480) with only my 6950x and the 3090 in the loop.
During gaming in Red Dead 2 I am able to get an almost locked 60 FPS at all ultra at 3840x2160. GPU frequency during gaming is now 2055 to 2130 Mhz. On air it would clock down to 1900Mhz and even lower while hitting 75C+.
On nicehash miner it reports VRAM temp at 95C instead of 115C now but GPUz reports 75C so not sure which is correct. Getting 115Mh/s at -300 core +800 VRAM and 70% power limit and .39 MH/j which is good efficiency.
Might as well put the card to work while I'm away at work.
I'm pretty happy with the water block. Looking forward to a new BIOS as my card also has the imbalance problem as well as PCIE power draw slightly above 75 watts.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 07:27:19
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I just called EVGA. They said that I need to open an RMA ticket etc but they seemed to already know about the PCI-E power pulling too many watts and different GPU BIOS from the forum. I said none of them change a thing.
When I said that other cards like MSI Trio 3090 people are flashing EVGA BIOS designed for FTW3 Ultra and are destroying performance metrics in any benchmarks which effectively makes their card not just cheaper but also faster, so I mentioned to them to reply to us here for update or something....
The xc3 bios on my card pulls 14600+ on PR, XOC 13900. Im hoping that the new resizable bar bios gives the best of both worlds.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 07:44:22
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Zgapzy
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I just called EVGA. They said that I need to open an RMA ticket etc but they seemed to already know about the PCI-E power pulling too many watts and different GPU BIOS from the forum. I said none of them change a thing.
When I said that other cards like MSI Trio 3090 people are flashing EVGA BIOS designed for FTW3 Ultra and are destroying performance metrics in any benchmarks which effectively makes their card not just cheaper but also faster, so I mentioned to them to reply to us here for update or something....
The xc3 bios on my card pulls 14600+ on PR, XOC 13900. Im hoping that the new resizable bar bios gives the best of both worlds.
How did you flash your XC3 BIOS? Via NvFlash? Also that bios is 500W?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 07:45:33
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I just installed the bykski waterblock from aliexpress, with the black back plate. I was surprised to see the original backplate does have a copper heat spreader for cooling the RAM at the back of the card.
I was only able to go from 14.3 to 14.7 in Port Royal but temperatures are much better. During a loop of port royal the highest temp was 60C, with my water loop hitting 41C. I've got a quad rad (480) with only my 6950x and the 3090 in the loop.
During gaming in Red Dead 2 I am able to get an almost locked 60 FPS at all ultra at 3840x2160. GPU frequency during gaming is now 2055 to 2130 Mhz. On air it would clock down to 1900Mhz and even lower while hitting 75C+.
On nicehash miner it reports VRAM temp at 95C instead of 115C now but GPUz reports 75C so not sure which is correct. Getting 115Mh/s at -300 core +800 VRAM and 70% power limit and .39 MH/j which is good efficiency.
Might as well put the card to work while I'm away at work.
I'm pretty happy with the water block. Looking forward to a new BIOS as my card also has the imbalance problem as well as PCIE power draw slightly above 75 watts.
For quad 480mm that's really hot. I got 28C with quad 480mm and 240mm on GPU.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 07:48:03
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Yeah at idle I'm around 28C as well. This was using the 1000 watt kingpin bios set to 540 watt. My card hits voltage limit at 500 watt. With the XOC 500 watt bios I usually sit around 450 watt usage. I went back to the XOC bios as the Kingpin 1kw bios does not play nice with the nicehash miner.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 07:48:29
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I just called EVGA. They said that I need to open an RMA ticket etc but they seemed to already know about the PCI-E power pulling too many watts and different GPU BIOS from the forum. I said none of them change a thing.
When I said that other cards like MSI Trio 3090 people are flashing EVGA BIOS designed for FTW3 Ultra and are destroying performance metrics in any benchmarks which effectively makes their card not just cheaper but also faster, so I mentioned to them to reply to us here for update or something....
The xc3 bios on my card pulls 14600+ on PR, XOC 13900. Im hoping that the new resizable bar bios gives the best of both worlds.
How did you flash your XC3 BIOS? Via NvFlash? Also that bios is 500W?
Yes nvflash for xc3 bios, i used to run both xc3 and XOC on the OC side but now i just use the stock ones. xc3 is not a 500w bios but it has higher thermals and seems to hold 2100 no problem on PR and the score adds to the proof. XOC says 500 but only manages 430ish.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 09:22:59
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Yeah at idle I'm around 28C as well. This was using the 1000 watt kingpin bios set to 540 watt. My card hits voltage limit at 500 watt. With the XOC 500 watt bios I usually sit around 450 watt usage. I went back to the XOC bios as the Kingpin 1kw bios does not play nice with the nicehash miner.
But my one is 28C when it's fully loaded...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 09:24:00
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I just called EVGA. They said that I need to open an RMA ticket etc but they seemed to already know about the PCI-E power pulling too many watts and different GPU BIOS from the forum. I said none of them change a thing.
When I said that other cards like MSI Trio 3090 people are flashing EVGA BIOS designed for FTW3 Ultra and are destroying performance metrics in any benchmarks which effectively makes their card not just cheaper but also faster, so I mentioned to them to reply to us here for update or something....
The xc3 bios on my card pulls 14600+ on PR, XOC 13900. Im hoping that the new resizable bar bios gives the best of both worlds.
How did you flash your XC3 BIOS? Via NvFlash? Also that bios is 500W?
Yes nvflash for xc3 bios, i used to run both xc3 and XOC on the OC side but now i just use the stock ones.
xc3 is not a 500w bios but it has higher thermals and seems to hold 2100 no problem on PR and the score adds to the proof. XOC says 500 but only manages 430ish.
Might give it a go.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 09:38:10
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My RMA has been shipped. I'm doing a cross shipping, to be sure they send me an other card ^^
Will probably arrive in 1-3 days.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 09:45:05
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My RMA has been shipped. I'm doing a cross shipping, to be sure they send me an other card ^^
Will probably arrive in 1-3 days.
Great news! What was your problem and what did you say to evga, if you dont mind me asking? Thanks
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/08 14:44:29
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Hi everyone,
We have an update regarding the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA (24G-P5-3987-KR). If you have this specific card and are using the XOC BIOS BETA update and not seeing ideal overclocking results please send an email to 3090OC@evga.com for more details. Please make sure your card is registered first, and if you have screenshots of your max wattage under load and list of applications/games used this will help as well when emailing.
Thanks,
EVGA
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