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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 01:33:59
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So whats the go? Just emailed EVGA as i have the card mentioned. Anybody got a reply yet?
edit: nvm just read over...
I emailed as soon as he posted yesterday. Haven't had a reply yet.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 02:03:38
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So is the reason why an RMA may not fix the problem because the PCIe/8-pin Rail load balancing shut was either miss calculated in design or incorrectly supplied or intentionally configured to run the PCie slot hot in an effort to gain another 30W but failed to catch that would cause the rails to be throttled back before they hit 150W? And therefore there is also no way to resolve the issue in bios? Essentially EVGA cards load balanced at 80W PCIe and 120W per 8-pin rail while all other vendors are 50/150?
Is this at the heart of the issue of this truly extraordinarily long thread?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 04:40:57
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So is the reason why an RMA may not fix the problem because the PCIe/8-pin Rail load balancing shut was either miss calculated in design or incorrectly supplied or intentionally configured to run the PCie slot hot in an effort to gain another 30W but failed to catch that would cause the rails to be throttled back before they hit 150W? And therefore there is also no way to resolve the issue in bios? Essentially EVGA cards load balanced at 80W PCIe and 120W per 8-pin rail while all other vendors are 50/150?
Is this at the heart of the issue of this truly extraordinarily long thread?
Could be, won't know for sure we are trying to get definitive answer. If it's design flaw and can't be fixed I will be demanding a refund, if BIOS can fix it then that's great. If BIOzs can't fix it and I need to install 3rd party BIOS then I'm selling the card and not buy EVGA again.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 04:42:14
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So is the reason why an RMA may not fix the problem because the PCIe/8-pin Rail load balancing shut was either miss calculated in design or incorrectly supplied or intentionally configured to run the PCie slot hot in an effort to gain another 30W but failed to catch that would cause the rails to be throttled back before they hit 150W? And therefore there is also no way to resolve the issue in bios? Essentially EVGA cards load balanced at 80W PCIe and 120W per 8-pin rail while all other vendors are 50/150?
Is this at the heart of the issue of this truly extraordinarily long thread?
This was one test i ran using kombuster, was the highest the card was ever able to pull on the XOC bios powerwise. The settings wouldnt hold up in benchmarks but i found it interesting in the way it delivered power. My PR benchmarks / Cyberpunk tests on this card were the usual low draw on pin3 / 430w max.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 06:14:29
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Have the same problem, have a P5 3090 FTW3 Ultra Don't get over 400 watts with the XOC Bios unfortunately I cannot send PM * s to Jacob  
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 06:23:24
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This has been one of the most disappointing products I've purchased from EVGA. Looking at my product registration history, I have 10 GPUs from them and a couple power supplies. I know my card has power problems as even running with a block and temps in the low 30's, it barely goes over ~420 watts with the XOC bios. Tearing the block apart, finding replacement thermal putty and sending it back is a major pain. Maybe if they used actual thermal pads I would consider it. A $1900 bad experience and poor design is probably enough to turn me away.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 06:42:35
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This has been one of the most disappointing products I've purchased from EVGA. Looking at my product registration history, I have 10 GPUs from them and a couple power supplies. I know my card has power problems as even running with a block and temps in the low 30's, it barely goes over ~420 watts with the XOC bios. Tearing the block apart, finding replacement thermal putty and sending it back is a major pain. Maybe if they used actual thermal pads I would consider it. A $1900 bad experience and poor design is probably enough to turn me away.
Same. I think this will be my last EVGA product and I bought so many of them so far.... Currently on X299 Dark with EVGA GPU and EVGA Sound Card etc... My previous builds also EVGA had 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrids.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 07:16:57
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This has been one of the most disappointing products I've purchased from EVGA. Looking at my product registration history, I have 10 GPUs from them and a couple power supplies. I know my card has power problems as even running with a block and temps in the low 30's, it barely goes over ~420 watts with the XOC bios. Tearing the block apart, finding replacement thermal putty and sending it back is a major pain. Maybe if they used actual thermal pads I would consider it. A $1900 bad experience and poor design is probably enough to turn me away.
xc3 bios my man, with a block it would run real nice. This is my first EVGA gpu but i have had a few PSU's, I'm going to give them a chance because of their past with the next GPU but fingers crossed they dont bung it up again.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 07:35:51
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None of them will work like you expect except maybe XC3 (still power limited) and it will void your warranty.
The XC3 VBIOS will not void your warranty. Just keep one of the two VBIOSs stock. https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/ - Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on Products that do not have a Multiple BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 07:40:47
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TheNaitsyrk
None of them will work like you expect except maybe XC3 (still power limited) and it will void your warranty.
The XC3 VBIOS will not void your warranty. Just keep one of the two VBIOSs stock.
https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/
- Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on Products that do not have a Multiple BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void.
He already stated his view on the RMA, might as well get the performance he deserves.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 08:21:27
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Is the RMA with the working bios a new card? Or refurbished/used card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 08:26:27
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Is the RMA with the working bios a new card? Or refurbished/used card?
What working BIOS? It's still hit or miss and dependent on the card itself per the folks that just posted here. RMAs will be a new card if done before the 30 day window, and may be refurbished after the 30 day window. https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/ - If an RMA is necessary within 30 days of the original purchase date of a new in box Product, a new in box OEM replacement will be sent to the Original Purchaser in return, subject to availability.
- All products returned to Original Purchasers or Second-Hand Purchasers from EVGA's RMA department are thoroughly tested recertified products. Replacement parts and/or Products may include new or refurbished parts or Products and are warranted only until the expiration of the original warranty period. Replacement parts and/or Products will meet the standard of performance and reliability of a new Product or part of the same model, however, such Products and/or parts may have small scratches, small dents, other cosmetic defects, or noticeable use.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 08:33:46
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Is the RMA with the working bios a new card? Or refurbished/used card?
What working BIOS? It's still hit or miss and dependent on the card itself per the folks that just posted here.
RMAs will be a new card if done before the 30 day window, and may be refurbished after the 30 day window.
https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/
- If an RMA is necessary within 30 days of the original purchase date of a new in box Product, a new in box OEM replacement will be sent to the Original Purchaser in return, subject to availability.
- All products returned to Original Purchasers or Second-Hand Purchasers from EVGA's RMA department are thoroughly tested recertified products. Replacement parts and/or Products may include new or refurbished parts or Products and are warranted only until the expiration of the original warranty period. Replacement parts and/or Products will meet the standard of performance and reliability of a new Product or part of the same model, however, such Products and/or parts may have small scratches, small dents, other cosmetic defects, or noticeable use.
Oh my, I assumed if we were going as far as to RMA, then it was guaranteed the BIOS would be working. Hmm I would have done it if it was about a month afterwards, but now this seems like a lot of extra effort..
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 09:34:22
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 09:55:32
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Is the RMA with the working bios a new card? Or refurbished/used card?
What working BIOS? It's still hit or miss and dependent on the card itself per the folks that just posted here.
RMAs will be a new card if done before the 30 day window, and may be refurbished after the 30 day window.
https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/
- If an RMA is necessary within 30 days of the original purchase date of a new in box Product, a new in box OEM replacement will be sent to the Original Purchaser in return, subject to availability.
- All products returned to Original Purchasers or Second-Hand Purchasers from EVGA's RMA department are thoroughly tested recertified products. Replacement parts and/or Products may include new or refurbished parts or Products and are warranted only until the expiration of the original warranty period. Replacement parts and/or Products will meet the standard of performance and reliability of a new Product or part of the same model, however, such Products and/or parts may have small scratches, small dents, other cosmetic defects, or noticeable use.
I think he’s referring to this “ There are NO other benefits that should be expected by replacing your card. • The new replacement card will already have the XOC BIOS applied to the secondary BIOS position. • There are no expected changes or improvements to the stock running speed, boost clock, or stock overclocking on the default BIOS. ” I think “new working bios” means the pre-installed XOC bios that gets 500w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 09:55:46
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock? Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 10:02:32
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 10:07:10
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
Uh. Yea. Pretty much kingpin scores.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 10:42:50
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so are ppl using xc3 bios on their 3090 ftw3 ultra?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 10:51:50
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So I just got a little bit more info from evga support regarding the new RMA program for power limited 3090’s: while there’s no hard guarantee that an RMA card through 3090OC@evga.com will draw 500w, these units sent out (w/pre-installed XOC 500w bios on second bios slot) will have “a much higher chance of getting closer to the 500w.” Looks like I’m tearing down my hybrid to remount the air cooler for an RMA, then I’m gonna tear off the air cooler and remount the hybrid kit when it gets back. Gonna be a minute before I even get the email back from the proper channels it seems tho. 2nd RMA for this reason, but this is a new program so that one in nov doesn’t count against me for this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 10:59:06
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
Uh. Yea. Pretty much kingpin scores.
So I guess I will keep the card. Maybe I try the XOC BIOS. But I don't know about it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 11:02:42
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You had reply from Jacob?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 11:12:47
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You had reply from Jacob?
Spoke to evga support on the phone, he didn’t know much about it at first said he was gonna go talk to Jacob and get back to me. That’s a quote from the email I received back after he spoke to Jacob.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 11:14:04
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Well just ordered a 3090 FT3 Ultra Hydrocopper, so will test that out as well when it comes. Got the notification to order like 30 mins ago, and I added it to my queue when it went live.... maybe Nov 2020?
I currently have a Launch 3090 FTW3 Ultra P5 as well about to put an optimus block on, so might test that out on Air first to see if it has issues. I remember it didn't have issues pulling 450w on stock, but need to flash over XOC bios and check.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 11:16:05
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
Uh. Yea. Pretty much kingpin scores.
So I guess I will keep the card. Maybe I try the XOC BIOS. But I don't know about it.
Give the XOC bios a shot, bench it see what’s good. Give the XC3 Bios a shot too. See if you are actually power limited on XOC (a few people can pull 500w np). That’s the only reason to rma it through 3090OC@evga.com, might as well find out?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 11:42:53
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
Uh. Yea. Pretty much kingpin scores.
So I guess I will keep the card. Maybe I try the XOC BIOS. But I don't know about it.
Give the XOC bios a shot, bench it see what’s good. Give the XC3 Bios a shot too. See if you are actually power limited on XOC (a few people can pull 500w np). That’s the only reason to rma it through 3090OC@evga.com, might as well find out?
I installed the XOC BIOS. Fingers crossed. Going to test it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 12:04:39
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Apologies for the noob q but just want to be sure. Can someone point me to where I should be getting the XC3 bios for my vanilla FTW3?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 12:32:23
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Apologies for the noob q but just want to be sure. Can someone point me to where I should be getting the XC3 bios for my vanilla FTW3?
https://www.techpowerup.c...mp;memSize=&since= That’s all evga 3090 bioses. Pick the xc3. You’ll need to use nvflash. Here’s an ok guide (on commands n such for nvflash) https://www.overclockersc...how_to_flash_rtx_bios/ make sure you are confident in what you’re doing every step of the way. Precision x1 cannot be opened ever while using xc3 bios on ftw3 bc it’ll attempt to flash the incorrect MCU firmware onto your card. I’m not encouraging this, bios flashing is always a risk this is just so you have the correct tools/info if you’re already planning on doing this
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 13:25:54
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Just fyi I sent the requested information in to the email about my 3090 power draw issues and the response is only to ascertain if an RMA is warranted. It is not to be able to get a new better BIOS.
Well, at least there is an official acknowledgement that it is an issue. Thanks for sharing!
Well my RMA arrive tomorrow, I hope the replacement won't have the same problem (mine was doing max 400-420W) ... Since they can't do anything with bios update, it's definitely a component / design issue (which is bad). I will hate to have to send the replacement for RMA again ...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 13:28:53
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so email 3090OC@evga.com for RMA info? I was hoping for a bios update or something, plus I have the 3985 not 3987 .. damn And I put waterblock on. I kept all the original thermal pads/foam but I am not certain if it can be put together as before due to those foams on the VRM. They probably changed size, height after being taken off. Anyone able to put it back after installing a waterblock?
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