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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 14:10:44
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
Uh. Yea. Pretty much kingpin scores.
So I guess I will keep the card. Maybe I try the XOC BIOS. But I don't know about it.
Give the XOC bios a shot, bench it see what’s good. Give the XC3 Bios a shot too. See if you are actually power limited on XOC (a few people can pull 500w np). That’s the only reason to rma it through 3090OC@evga.com, might as well find out?
So I have tested the XOC BIOS a bit. I was almost able to reproduce the "Port Royal" score with 14651 and max 451 watts (average 435 watts). The pins were even +/- 15 watts. All other tests (Time Spy, Fire Strike) were about 450 watts +/- with even pins +/-. On the "Raytracing Feature" test I was able to get 64.21 FPS with 220 on the core and 1200 on the memory. As I game I tested Everspace 2 with 1200 on the memory and 180 on the core. I average at about 460 watts with a spike to 494 watts. PCI slot avg. at about 78 watts with a big spike to 83 watts. The pins were even with a max for pin#1 - 130 watts, pin#2 - 139 watts and pin#3 -143 watts. So what do you think about that? The XOC BIOS is not doing much for me, I know. But chip is good. I really don't know what to do.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 14:17:18
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So wait, "stay tuned for more info" turned into "email us if you have this specific card and we will hand pick a RMAed card for you so you stop wasting our resources with endless RMAs fishing for an acceptable card?"
Am I understanding this wrong? No actual info on what is actually going on here? I mean , what kind of threshold do you need to be within to even quality? If I hit 460w or 480w is that within the acceptable range? Do they cross ship the replacement so you aren't without a card or somehow wind up with even more of a dud? If I waterblocked my card and have to remove the block, am I expected to replace all the pads and putty to working order before returning?
Like for real, where is the info?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 14:53:29
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Apologies for the noob q but just want to be sure. Can someone point me to where I should be getting the XC3 bios for my vanilla FTW3?
That’s all evga 3090 bioses. Pick the xc3. You’ll need to use nvflash. Here’s an ok guide (on commands n such for nvflash) make sure you are confident in what you’re doing every step of the way. Precision x1 cannot be opened ever while using xc3 bios on ftw3 bc it’ll attempt to flash the incorrect MCU firmware onto your card. I’m not encouraging this, bios flashing is always a risk this is just so you have the correct tools/info if you’re already planning on doing this
Thanks VM especially for the PX1 heads up!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 15:10:11
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I know for me, pulling my FTW3 Ultra out of the custom loop and putting the air cooler back on is more work then I am willing to do for some extra watts. I'll just use it as is and have learned a lesson. Likely will be going Asus next round. Been a loyal Evga user for years. Time to move on.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 15:23:38
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koroem
So wait, "stay tuned for more info" turned into "email us if you have this specific card and we will hand pick a RMAed card for you so you stop wasting our resources with endless RMAs fishing for an acceptable card?"
Yes. They will ask for some confirmation testing. koroem
Am I understanding this wrong? No actual info on what is actually going on here? I mean , what kind of threshold do you need to be within to even quality? If I hit 460w or 480w is that within the acceptable range?
If you provide the info they will tell you if you qualify. koroem
Do they cross ship the replacement so you aren't without a card or somehow wind up with even more of a dud?
No, they specifically state this does not qualify for the enhanced RMA. koroem
If I waterblocked my card and have to remove the block, am I expected to replace all the pads and putty to working order before returning?
I'm sure they'd be happy to answer that but obviously they will not provide new thermal pads for re-application of the waterblock. koroem
Like for real, where is the info?
They've provided an email address for you to actually ask them these very questions. It might be worth doing it. My swap has already been approved with just two simple screen shots.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 16:15:35
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koroem
So wait, "stay tuned for more info" turned into "email us if you have this specific card and we will hand pick a RMAed card for you so you stop wasting our resources with endless RMAs fishing for an acceptable card?"
Yes. They will ask for some confirmation testing.
koroem
Am I understanding this wrong? No actual info on what is actually going on here? I mean , what kind of threshold do you need to be within to even quality? If I hit 460w or 480w is that within the acceptable range?
If you provide the info they will tell you if you qualify.
koroem
Do they cross ship the replacement so you aren't without a card or somehow wind up with even more of a dud?
No, they specifically state this does not qualify for the enhanced RMA.
koroem
If I waterblocked my card and have to remove the block, am I expected to replace all the pads and putty to working order before returning?
I'm sure they'd be happy to answer that but obviously they will not provide new thermal pads for re-application of the waterblock.
koroem
Like for real, where is the info?
They've provided an email address for you to actually ask them these very questions. It might be worth doing it.
My swap has already been approved with just two simple screen shots.
Question is has anyone actually seen an improvement with their RMAed cards or is it too early to tell?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 16:18:37
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willm1224
hyuiop
Apologies for the noob q but just want to be sure. Can someone point me to where I should be getting the XC3 bios for my vanilla FTW3?
That’s all evga 3090 bioses. Pick the xc3. You’ll need to use nvflash. Here’s an ok guide (on commands n such for nvflash) make sure you are confident in what you’re doing every step of the way. Precision x1 cannot be opened ever while using xc3 bios on ftw3 bc it’ll attempt to flash the incorrect MCU firmware onto your card. I’m not encouraging this, bios flashing is always a risk this is just so you have the correct tools/info if you’re already planning on doing this
Thanks again for that. Is this the KP520 bois that folks refer to here? Is that testable in a FTW3 non ultra do we think or stick to trying out the XC3?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 16:21:27
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Would it not almost be easier to 16mΩ shunt the PICe slot and 8mΩ shunt the three rails to remove the power limitations and balance the power draws back to the rails from the card slot?
post edited by hyuiop - 2021/03/09 16:38:24
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 16:40:54
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hyuiop
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koroem
So wait, "stay tuned for more info" turned into "email us if you have this specific card and we will hand pick a RMAed card for you so you stop wasting our resources with endless RMAs fishing for an acceptable card?"
Yes. They will ask for some confirmation testing.
koroem
Am I understanding this wrong? No actual info on what is actually going on here? I mean , what kind of threshold do you need to be within to even quality? If I hit 460w or 480w is that within the acceptable range?
If you provide the info they will tell you if you qualify.
koroem
Do they cross ship the replacement so you aren't without a card or somehow wind up with even more of a dud?
No, they specifically state this does not qualify for the enhanced RMA.
koroem
If I waterblocked my card and have to remove the block, am I expected to replace all the pads and putty to working order before returning?
I'm sure they'd be happy to answer that but obviously they will not provide new thermal pads for re-application of the waterblock.
koroem
Like for real, where is the info?
They've provided an email address for you to actually ask them these very questions. It might be worth doing it.
My swap has already been approved with just two simple screen shots.
Question is has anyone actually seen an improvement with their RMAed cards or is it too early to tell?
This is an entirely new process so no one knows. I'll certainly report back having already done one RMA in the past with no changes in power consumption or performance.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 17:01:31
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MaxTheOwl
So I have tested the XOC BIOS a bit. I was almost able to reproduce the "Port Royal" score with 14651 and max 451 watts (average 435 watts). The pins were even +/- 15 watts. All other tests (Time Spy, Fire Strike) were about 450 watts +/- with even pins +/-. On the "Raytracing Feature" test I was able to get 64.21 FPS with 220 on the core and 1200 on the memory. As I game I tested Everspace 2 with 1200 on the memory and 180 on the core. I average at about 460 watts with a spike to 494 watts. PCI slot avg. at about 78 watts with a big spike to 83 watts. The pins were even with a max for pin#1 - 130 watts, pin#2 - 139 watts and pin#3 -143 watts.
So what do you think about that? The XOC BIOS is not doing much for me, I know. But chip is good. I really don't know what to do.
I'd overwrite the XOC VBIOS with the XC3 VBIOS and test again. My current card topped out at around 460W max (430 to 440 average) on the XOC, and gets ~500W as measured from my UPS on the XC3 VBIOS. My PR score increased from ~14.3K to 14.8K. I'd wager that you'd be able to hit 15K if you dial in your overclocks again on the XC3 VBIOS - just be aware that the GPU offset will be different than the stock or XOC VBIOS. Post 3215 on this page if you need an explanation / guide: https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3090-FTW3-XOC-BIOS-BETA-m3124192-p108.aspx#3185822
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 17:07:03
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@lobstar
Yes, this is obvious, I know this, my point for asking these questions is to point out that rather than publicly stating a policy and outlining the guidelines and reasons for such, they basically just left it open ended and one sided. They don't explain what or if there is an actual problem, what that problem is, and how to determine if you have it. They are basically saying, let us decide how bad your issue is and if we feel like fixing it. What we tell you, might not be what we tell someone else else. Its up to us to decide, while keeping the issue as quiet as possible.
This is an expensive purchase, and compared to other similar products from other manufacturers, people have a right to be concerned. What we need is answers, not white knights. Months of silence only to be met with a similarly quiet response says they were waiting to see how it played out, and now this is the least they can do cause the rmas apparently keep piling up as people continue to fish the pool for acceptable replacements.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 17:24:30
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They don't explain what or if there is an actual problem, what that problem is, and how to determine if you have it. Welcome to every single company ever's RMA policies.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 18:20:17
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So if I take the EVGA response to my email correctly, when you qualify to do the RMA, then it's basically a roll of the dice if you will get a card in return that performs any better than the one you currently have...?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 18:37:10
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So I've been silently following this thread basically since the beginning. Once the XOC bios beta was released I was excited to try it out. That excitement went away fairly quickly once I realized it didn't do anything for my card. I just chalked it up as losing that lottery but over time reading everyone else's input it made me want some sort of resolution to the problem (if their is one). My card will not go over 380-390watts max whatsoever and averages 360watts. I have an EK waterblock and my card never gets over 45c long term overclocking or gaming and memory around 50c. When monitoring PX1 the power target always stays around the high 90s never peaking over 100% when set to 119%. When running Port Royal I have my memory set to +1200 and core +200 and it never goes over 1950MHz same for most games I've tried (AC Valhalla is a weird exception). I reached out to the 3090OC email and they stated with all the data and information I sent them (from GPUZ, px1 and my benchmarking runs) that I did qualify for the RMA and I decided to agree to it. I'm not looking forward to taking apart all my hard tubing and losing my GPU for awhile but hopefully will receive a card that I can have fun overclocking with... Fingers crossed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 18:39:23
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.  From my last Port Royal run.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 18:49:28
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Turbo-12R
So if I take the EVGA response to my email correctly, when you qualify to do the RMA, then it's basically a roll of the dice if you will get a card in return that performs any better than the one you currently have...?
EVGA isn't guaranteeing an increase in power consumption will result in an increase in performance. They have NEVER guaranteed performance and are stating that clearly here. What I believe they are saying is they know of an issue related to power delivery that may adversely affect performance and this may have positive results for those who are affected while attempting to overclock. Read it carefully and treat each bullet point as it's own standalone statement on the situation.
• There are no expected changes or improvements to the STOCK running speed, boost clock, or STOCK overclocking on the DEFAULT BIOS.
• When using the SECONDARY BIOS, the power usage of the card may allow you to reach a higher maximum while overclocking.* As is the nature with overclocking, EVGA makes no guarantee or specific claims that owners will see an improvement to boost clocks, overclocking, or performance compared to their currently owned product.
I've bolded and increased the parts that are relevant to your understanding. I've received my Step 2 email so I'll be mailing my card out tomorrow. I got an error when attempting to switch to UPS second day air so I guess ground will have to do on the return trip. I'll report back when I get the card back from them.
post edited by lobstar - 2021/03/09 18:53:06
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 18:51:49
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I have an FTW3 Ultra and with the 500watt bios I only draw 430 watts in superposition 8k 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 18:54:46
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At the end of the day there is a Physical Hardware issue with the cards that have uneven power balancing. If you RMA the chance of getting a new card that does not have a power balancing issues is slim, I just got 2 3090 FTW3 Ultras this week which are from the newest batches and both have power balancing issues.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 19:19:34
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I'd overwrite the XOC VBIOS with the XC3 VBIOS and test again. My current card topped out at around 460W max (430 to 440 average) on the XOC, and gets ~500W as measured from my UPS on the XC3 VBIOS. My PR score increased from ~14.3K to 14.8K. I'd wager that you'd be able to hit 15K if you dial in your overclocks again on the XC3 VBIOS - just be aware that the GPU offset will be different than the stock or XOC VBIOS.
Post 3215 on this page if you need an explanation / guide: https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3090-FTW3-XOC-BIOS-BETA-m3124192-p108.aspx#3185822
arestavo I followed your advice on using AF instead of PX1 when using XC3 VBIOS and got to game at +100 +1250, with PX1 +80 +1250. After I installed the Hybrid Kit I was quite dissapointed as even with great temps card it still limited, but with this it seats on 2085 (mostly) to 2100 Core and MEM on 11002. Correct me If I'm wrong, but seems that AF get to manage the card better when XC3 VBIOS is Flashed. Thank You! Sergio
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 19:19:53
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Emailed EVGA, they said NO to using my advanced RMA, I have to take apart my water cool'd card and send it in to them first... I'll be down a computer for a while. Anyone know the thermal pad sizes?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 20:06:23
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MaxTheOwl
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I don't know if I should go through the RMA process. I can hit about 14700 with my card on the stock OC BIOS (on air) in Port Royal. Didn't even tried the XOC BIOS at all. The card can get up to 449 watts and max PCI is 80.5 watts mostly about 78 watts (ofc not average). The 3 pins are mostly even Pin#1 is a bit low 10-15 watts sometimes about 20 watts lower. What do you guys think about it?
That's better than most people can get with the XOC (or XC3) VBIOS, and you're stock?
Keep the card, try the XC3 VBIOS if you're wanting to lower the PCIE slot power (leave one of the stock VBIOS on the card in case you need to RMA in the future).
Stock OC BIOS, power traget to max 107, core and memory oc applied and on air. So this is good?
Uh. Yea. Pretty much kingpin scores.
So I guess I will keep the card. Maybe I try the XOC BIOS. But I don't know about it.
Give the XOC bios a shot, bench it see what’s good. Give the XC3 Bios a shot too. See if you are actually power limited on XOC (a few people can pull 500w np). That’s the only reason to rma it through 3090OC@evga.com, might as well find out?
So I have tested the XOC BIOS a bit. I was almost able to reproduce the "Port Royal" score with 14651 and max 451 watts (average 435 watts). The pins were even +/- 15 watts. All other tests (Time Spy, Fire Strike) were about 450 watts +/- with even pins +/-. On the "Raytracing Feature" test I was able to get 64.21 FPS with 220 on the core and 1200 on the memory. As I game I tested Everspace 2 with 1200 on the memory and 180 on the core. I average at about 460 watts with a spike to 494 watts. PCI slot avg. at about 78 watts with a big spike to 83 watts. The pins were even with a max for pin#1 - 130 watts, pin#2 - 139 watts and pin#3 -143 watts.
So what do you think about that? The XOC BIOS is not doing much for me, I know. But chip is good. I really don't know what to do.
14600+ on XOC is a pretty solid score, mine cant even break 14000 / 430w on PR with XOC.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 20:11:54
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hyuiop
Would it not almost be easier to 16mΩ shunt the PICe slot and 8mΩ shunt the three rails to remove the power limitations and balance the power draws back to the rails from the card slot?
This doesn't fix the power draw whatsoever. All it would do is change what is reported to the BIOS, so that the card wouldn't hit the limit of an internal power rail (not to be confused with TDP limit). The power draw would still be messed up. In fact it would even more messed up (e.g. PCIE 81W would end up maybe 90-95W but might appear to the BIOS as 60W). It just wouldn't be reported as messed up. You also have to be careful about NOT shunting certain shunts. It's best that all shunts are shunted, but this applies to cards with fully digital controllers. e.g. on a 3090 FE, if you shunt all the shunts EXCEPT PCIE Slot, it will cause MVDDC's power draw (reported, not real) to reach over 200W, causing a rail throttle on both MVDDC and PCIE Slot. No idea about the eVGA cards.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 21:08:12
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prabh456
Emailed EVGA, they said NO to using my advanced RMA, I have to take apart my water cool'd card and send it in to them first... I'll be down a computer for a while. Anyone know the thermal pad sizes?
bro...RMA for nothing...use XC3 VBIOS. watercooled your card will do AWESOME!!! I won't send it, and also I live in South America so no chance to RMA that way here. Cheers, Sergio.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 21:35:07
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prabh456
Emailed EVGA, they said NO to using my advanced RMA, I have to take apart my water cool'd card and send it in to them first... I'll be down a computer for a while. Anyone know the thermal pad sizes?
bro...RMA for nothing...use XC3 VBIOS. watercooled your card will do AWESOME!!! I won't send it, and also I live in South America so no chance to RMA that way here.
Cheers, Sergio.
XC3 Bios power limit is just 104% though isn't it? or can that bios actually pull 500W..
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 22:55:38
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andressergio
prabh456
Emailed EVGA, they said NO to using my advanced RMA, I have to take apart my water cool'd card and send it in to them first... I'll be down a computer for a while. Anyone know the thermal pad sizes?
bro...RMA for nothing...use XC3 VBIOS. watercooled your card will do AWESOME!!! I won't send it, and also I live in South America so no chance to RMA that way here.
Cheers, Sergio.
XC3 Bios power limit is just 104% though isn't it? or can that bios actually pull 500W..
Good question.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/09 23:11:53
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So I've been silently following this thread basically since the beginning. Once the XOC bios beta was released I was excited to try it out. That excitement went away fairly quickly once I realized it didn't do anything for my card. I just chalked it up as losing that lottery but over time reading everyone else's input it made me want some sort of resolution to the problem (if their is one). My card will not go over 380-390watts max whatsoever and averages 360watts. I have an EK waterblock and my card never gets over 45c long term overclocking or gaming and memory around 50c. When monitoring PX1 the power target always stays around the high 90s never peaking over 100% when set to 119%. When running Port Royal I have my memory set to +1200 and core +200 and it never goes over 1950MHz same for most games I've tried (AC Valhalla is a weird exception). I reached out to the 3090OC email and they stated with all the data and information I sent them (from GPUZ, px1 and my benchmarking runs) that I did qualify for the RMA and I decided to agree to it. I'm not looking forward to taking apart all my hard tubing and losing my GPU for awhile but hopefully will receive a card that I can have fun overclocking with... Fingers crossed.
I have exactly the same numbers, EKW cooled and KPN520w bios max 14300 PR result, temp 45-48 and OC 500w 14000 PR max... EVGA is the best, only way is 1000w bios... Maybe we should take EVGA to court? It is not normal for some cards to work and most not to work...
post edited by Raudkast - 2021/03/09 23:23:27
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/10 00:44:55
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Battery749
So I've been silently following this thread basically since the beginning. Once the XOC bios beta was released I was excited to try it out. That excitement went away fairly quickly once I realized it didn't do anything for my card. I just chalked it up as losing that lottery but over time reading everyone else's input it made me want some sort of resolution to the problem (if their is one). My card will not go over 380-390watts max whatsoever and averages 360watts. I have an EK waterblock and my card never gets over 45c long term overclocking or gaming and memory around 50c. When monitoring PX1 the power target always stays around the high 90s never peaking over 100% when set to 119%. When running Port Royal I have my memory set to +1200 and core +200 and it never goes over 1950MHz same for most games I've tried (AC Valhalla is a weird exception). I reached out to the 3090OC email and they stated with all the data and information I sent them (from GPUZ, px1 and my benchmarking runs) that I did qualify for the RMA and I decided to agree to it. I'm not looking forward to taking apart all my hard tubing and losing my GPU for awhile but hopefully will receive a card that I can have fun overclocking with... Fingers crossed.
I have exactly the same numbers, EKW cooled and KPN520w bios max 14300 PR result, temp 45-48 and OC 500w 14000 PR max... EVGA is the best, only way is 1000w bios... Maybe we should take EVGA to court? It is not normal for some cards to work and most not to work...
Well, if the card states it should use X amount of power and it's not using it with or without the BIOS (my one doesn't go to 450W with stock BIOS), then you have a case here I think. It's not as advertised. It's advertised as 350W but if they say max limit (as per spec) is 450W and it's not going there then yeah not as described, and misleading. Every single person in this thread would buy a different card if they knew about this so therefore it is a problem.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/10 02:03:40
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prabh456
Emailed EVGA, they said NO to using my advanced RMA, I have to take apart my water cool'd card and send it in to them first... I'll be down a computer for a while. Anyone know the thermal pad sizes?
bro...RMA for nothing...use XC3 VBIOS. watercooled your card will do AWESOME!!! I won't send it, and also I live in South America so no chance to RMA that way here.
Cheers, Sergio.
XC3 Bios power limit is just 104% though isn't it? or can that bios actually pull 500W..
Mine pulled closer to 480w on the xc3 bios but i had to measure it from the wall. On PR the card struggles to pull over 2015mhz with the XOC, XC3 2100 no prob. Raudkast
I have exactly the same numbers, EKW cooled and KPN520w bios max 14300 PR result, temp 45-48 and OC 500w 14000 PR max... EVGA is the best, only way is 1000w bios... Maybe we should take EVGA to court? It is not normal for some cards to work and most not to work...
xc3 bios > kp bios. I struggled to get over 14k on XOC, 14600 no prob with the xc3. If you are running a block then go try it and get your moneys worth.
post edited by Zgapzy - 2021/03/10 02:14:45
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/10 02:30:56
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Zgapzy
prabh456
andressergio
prabh456
Emailed EVGA, they said NO to using my advanced RMA, I have to take apart my water cool'd card and send it in to them first... I'll be down a computer for a while. Anyone know the thermal pad sizes?
bro...RMA for nothing...use XC3 VBIOS. watercooled your card will do AWESOME!!! I won't send it, and also I live in South America so no chance to RMA that way here.
Cheers, Sergio.
XC3 Bios power limit is just 104% though isn't it? or can that bios actually pull 500W..
Mine pulled closer to 480w on the xc3 bios but i had to measure it from the wall. On PR the card struggles to pull over 2015mhz with the XOC, XC3 2100 no prob.
Raudkast
I have exactly the same numbers, EKW cooled and KPN520w bios max 14300 PR result, temp 45-48 and OC 500w 14000 PR max... EVGA is the best, only way is 1000w bios... Maybe we should take EVGA to court? It is not normal for some cards to work and most not to work...
xc3 bios > kp bios. I struggled to get over 14k on XOC, 14600 no prob with the xc3. If you are running a block then go try it and get your moneys worth.
Okay, their GPUs are permanently gimped. A good company would take it all back and rework it, like Samsung did with Note 7 line although Samsung is huge compared to EVGA, but still they can't sell a broken product! I guess I have to flash either 1000W Kingpin BIOS or XC3 today and see if it's better. I guess power sliders with this card mean jack. RMA is no use, they messed up and can't even own up to it. It's actually rather sad. We should email / tweet at Gamers Nexus and get him to check this out. It's his cup of tea for sure. I already messaged him / tweet.
post edited by TheNaitsyrk - 2021/03/10 02:34:38
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/10 02:49:22
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Its P5. Updated.
What BIOS is best for the P5 model? I have the P5 with waterblock.
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