Turbo-12R

bavor

Turbo-12R
So then why are there so many arguments for not being able to hit 500w versus people claiming to catch on fire....

Do you not know what analogy means?

I'm pretty sure I understood his argument as being that because of cards topping out over the PCIe specification that there is an abundance of them catching on fire, which is simply not true.
 
Perhaps you should have actually quoted the portion where I did use an analogy if you needed an example of how to use one.

Ginola
Any news on the revised version of the Bios?
 
2 weeks has passed now :) really looking forward to actually being able to get back to 500w draw and seeing some results. currently wont draw more than 110% and 460w  was managing 497 before the last 2 rounds of nvidia driver updates :S.
 
Seems power balancing is still a thing.. 
 
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glocked89

Ginola
Any news on the revised version of the Bios?
 
2 weeks has passed now :) really looking forward to actually being able to get back to 500w draw and seeing some results. currently wont draw more than 110% and 460w  was managing 497 before the last 2 rounds of nvidia driver updates :S.
 
Seems power balancing is still a thing.. 
 
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Wait. You were able to draw 500 before you updated your drivers? Which driver version were you able to draw past 460?

eXp67
So my question is simple : Is this problem of hardware balacing problem is not caused by a bad foundry quality ?

bavor

eXp67
The problem has nothing to do with nvidia drivers.
We spoke about a bad power loadbalacing (hardware or software(bios)).
 
By the way, i checked the connector of my card, it seems the quality of the PCB is not so good.
I'll maby take some photos if you want, but looking at the PCI-E and the SLI the connector is dammaged !! I can see on gold branch, sometimes near half is missing !!
 
So my question is simple : Is this problem of hardware balacing problem is not caused by a bad foundry quality ?

 
You are correct that it has nothing to do with drivers.  I've flashed the EVGA FTW3 XOC BIOS to an Asus Strix 3090 and MSI Gaming X Trio 3090.  Both cards were able to sustain about 500 watts power draw after the EVGA BIOS flash and neither card drew more than 66 watts peak through the PCIEx16 slot.  None of the three EVGA FTW3 3090 cards I had were able to do that.
 
It has nothing to do with the GPU quality from the foundry.
 

lobstar

TheNaitsyrk
Hey guys, is it normal that my 3090 FTW3 East about 400-410W max as according to GPU-Z with XOC BIOS?

This is the exact problem that's been discussed for ... <checks notes> ... 153 pages in this thread.

arestavo

TheNaitsyrk
Just wanted to confirm.

Although, my GPU is pulling 75-80W from PCI-E which is fine I think? Haha

The PCIE slot power draw isn't supposed to exceed 75W per the standard that every company should be adhering to if they want to use PCIE on any marketing material/website/product box. It may or may not cause damage depending on how well built your motherboard is, and might even cause issues in the long term after working for quite a while.

With that said, as long as the card is out of spec on the stock VBIOS without any GPU/VRAM overclock, that is grounds for RMA. I RMAd my first 3090 FTW3 Ultra for 83W continuous power draw on the PCIE slot in some games, with spikes of 89W. The replacement runs at 77W, and since it was so close I didn't bother to RMA again as the XC3 (not XOC) VBIOS works very well on it, lowering PCIE slot power draw to ~67W and allowing my game clocks to stay at 2100MHz instead of downclocking to 1920 to 1950MHz.

arestavo

TheNaitsyrk
Just wanted to confirm.

Although, my GPU is pulling 75-80W from PCI-E which is fine I think? Haha

The PCIE slot power draw isn't supposed to exceed 75W per the standard that every company should be adhering to if they want to use PCIE on any marketing material/website/product box. It may or may not cause damage depending on how well built your motherboard is, and might even cause issues in the long term after working for quite a while.

With that said, as long as the card is out of spec on the stock VBIOS without any GPU/VRAM overclock, that is grounds for RMA. I RMAd my first 3090 FTW3 Ultra for 83W continuous power draw on the PCIE slot in some games, with spikes of 89W. The replacement runs at 77W, and since it was so close I didn't bother to RMA again as the XC3 (not XOC) VBIOS works very well on it, lowering PCIE slot power draw to ~67W and allowing my game clocks to stay at 2100MHz instead of downclocking to 1920 to 1950MHz.

esschallert
Some question about the flashing, can two cards in SLI be flashed or do I need to remove one card?

TheNaitsyrk

arestavo

TheNaitsyrk
Do I need to use NvFlash to flash XC3 BIOS on it? Also is it a 500W bios?

I see max clocks 2220Mhz but power limit makes it fluctuate it's only literally 100% power.

Post 3215 has info and instructions - https://forums.evga.com/E...ETA-m3124192-p108.aspx

Sorry can't see it there.

TheNaitsyrk
Can I quickly ask which BIOS is currently best to flash onto the FTW3? Is it the KP 520W?

TheNaitsyrk

Zgapzy

TheNaitsyrk
Can I quickly ask which BIOS is currently best to flash onto the FTW3? Is it the KP 520W?

All depends on what FTW3 you ended up with, some work well with the XOC. Others will perform better with the XC3 but it doesn't give you accurate readings. I managed a 14600 on PR with the XC3. I now run the standard bios and get 13.7k with much lower thermals and accurate readings. 

So there is nothing better? Not even KP XOC BIOS will help?