After my unpleasant experience of a dying RTX 2080ti FTW3 few days ago, I will provide here the only logical explanation about this RTX mess.
 
Facts:

- all models from all brands are affected: this problem can impact any RTX card
 
- different PCB with oversized power supply and cooling are also affected: so it's not a problem related to temperature or power failure
 
- cards can die with Micron memory (used from the beginning so widespread) but also with Samsung memory (used later): so the problem is not related to the memory, otherwise it would mean both Samsung and Micron are unable to manufacture GDDR6 (moreover without giving any explanation on other types of death with no artifacts)
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1103074/geforce-rtx-20-series/brand-new-evga-2080ti-ftw3-icx2-hydro-copper-error-43/
 
- we can see different type of death with different symptoms: it's hard to believe that this RTX generation is cursed to the point of undergoing several types of problems
 
- the core itself remains the only common point between all these dying cards: knowing that some cards are still working fine, then it's not a faulty design of the Turing architecture from Nvidia
 
- The survival time is variable: this implies abnormal and progressive deterioration of the core over time (not detectable at factory)
 
- we learn at the same time that TSMC 12nm fab who builds RTX has suffered from a serious contamination: but little information provided to not scare away customers and investors
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284589-reports-tsmc-accident-destroys-tens-of-thousands-of-nvidia-gpu-wafers
 
- a contamination of the core can appear in many ways: when the memory controller is affected (inside the core) then we can see some artifacts (corrupted cache), if the card has light contamination level then it can survive longer but with strange behavior (power drop, freezes, crashs, temperature spikes...) and if the core is seriously damaged then Windows shows blue screen with core dump and card not detected by device manager
 
 
If someone has a better explanation, I'm open-minded, but do not expect any information from Nvidia, who has flooded the market with their TOXIC RTX, leaving the burden to the customers to clean all their bad inventories until the last one!
 
 
Last point here: more than ever EVGA, thanks to its great customer service, is really precious this time 

Mine is still going strong. It may die. It may not if it does I have a warranty

I’m not going to hate on nvidia.

I've had both of my 2080 ti's since 10/19/18. Still running without any issues. 

Of course Samsung memory can fail... Of course micron memory can fail...

The question is... What % of failures are out side of the acceptable range.

For the consumer all failures are out side of the accepted and predictable range. For the manufacturer this just isn't a reality.

A percentage of failure occurs with every product more complicated than a spoon.

The sample size that you'll see failing on this forum isnt going to be accurate. The amount of complaining in reference to failure isn't going to be indicative of the rate of error..

A great example of this is the Pontiac Sunfire... Ugly and unsophisticated and upon release presented the consumer with a high enough failure rate that through word of mouth the vehicle was deemed an ugly unreliable terd.

The owners of these visually offensive cars at this point wish the damn things would keel over and die. I wish they would also, it's been over ten years and I'm sick of looking at them.

Christ I just looked at auto ads, and there's 5 of them with almost 1 million collective km's between them for sale "still runs great" - if you bought one of these in the 90's consider yourself cursed.

Moral of the story here is, for you the incidence of failure might be 100%, but there's a very good chance that your product represents .05% of the failures out of hundreds of thousands of units sold.

The biggest problem is when you return or RMA there's a good chance you're receiving a refurbished unit as a replacement. A product returned that didn't show a reproducible error in testing.

It's bad luck, but still luck none the less. Products fail... There will always be issues.

Look at the failure rates on older cards... Or bad reviews left on just about any product.

blackpanther26
you know if contamination is the blaming point of this wouldn't AMD's CPU's be dyeing as well? If I do remember that it said NVIDIA and AMD use TSMC 12nm Silicon with the AMD Ryzen 2000 series. It might or might not be the case.

Ryzen 2000 CPU are not affected by this contamination because they are built by AMD own fab GlobalFoundries, and not TSMC.

My nephew who originally purchased 2 brand new 2080Ti 2-3 months ago is on his 3rd RMA on both of his cards. He used 2 different system suspecting other components on his main PC causing this premature death of his first cards but the same thing. There is something seriously wrong with ALL RTX lineup, they seem to fail without any warning, they go from 0 to 100 death out of nowhere.

Lol the failure rate isn't as big as people make it out to be... Nvidia stocks went way up the last few quarters due to mining etc...

A lot of wealthy people most likely have short positions...

Any small Inklings of product failure are going to be blown way out of preportion and amplified.

People are acting like it's 1:100 when it's much closer to 1:10000.

What is the probability for customers (and reviewers) of getting several defective cards?
 
Moreover, 6 months after the launch, there is not a single 2080ti available in stock at EVGA EU store today:
https://eu.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+20+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+2080+Ti
 
Who can still believe this is a normal situation?

OMG a product is selling as fast as they can manufacture and ship it.  

Cell phones have shortages,  when new vehicles come out you often have to wait a few months for manufacturing to keep up with supply.

Hell, we even suffered from RAM shortages the last few years.

 But that's not the underlying crux of the argument...

Your GPU failed,  and you're tying market shortages to the event.. This is known in some circles as a "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" ("after this, therefore because of this") In English, you're essentially tying anecdotal evidence to a secondary event and implying sweeping implications in reference to a product. 

You're insinuating that there's some deeply rooted corporate cover up in regards to GPU failure rates...  Nvidia has addressed this "issue" openly, and specifically addressed the failure rates.  They've addressed the issue in their early batch and have officially stated that these subsequent failures aren't out side of normal manufacturing tolerances.  - Why are Nvidia statements important?

1.  They are a publicly traded corporation.
2.  They are bound to international trade practices in reference to these public releases.
3.  Fraudulent public releases places undue financial hardship on the company.
4.  The CEO of NVIDIA would be legally, and financially liable for the statements.
   
   
   Do you honestly believe Nvidia... a company with 9.714 billion in revenue, and over 12 billion in assets,   would lie to the consumer, their investors, and the controlling bodies to avoid the minor scandal of 2 to 3 million in replacement and RMA costs due to an initial bad manufacturing run?  You're acting like this is some kind of anomaly when it comes to hardware.  Your personal experiences DO NOT dictate the reality of the situation.
   
   
   
   

 

Kendragon
I am awaiting an RMA ticket on my RTX 2060 XC ultra gaming. It just would not work anymore when powering on the PC. I tried it in the ryzen 7 rig it was in and in a spare 6700k rig too. Had to put an old GTX 1070 back in. on the other hand I have a RTX 2080ti xc gaming with a waterblock on it and it's fine so far. Granted I have only had both cards maybe a week. 

 
Good to see ur 2080-ti is AOK.
 
I LUV my 2080-ti. (8 weeks old.)
 
Sry about ur 2060.
 
Testing in two rigs is always the best way. Your 2060 basically proven as bad now I guess.
 
 
 

danperry13
OMG a product is selling as fast as they can manufacture and ship it.  

Cell phones have shortages,  when new vehicles come out you often have to wait a few months for manufacturing to keep up with supply.

Hell, we even suffered from RAM shortages the last few years.

But that's not the underlying crux of the argument...

Your GPU failed,  and you're tying market shortages to the event.. This is known in some circles as a "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" ("after this, therefore because of this") In English, you're essentially tying anecdotal evidence to a secondary event and implying sweeping implications in reference to a product. 

You're insinuating that there's some deeply rooted corporate cover up in regards to GPU failure rates...  Nvidia has addressed this "issue" openly, and specifically addressed the failure rates.  They've addressed the issue in their early batch and have officially stated that these subsequent failures aren't out side of normal manufacturing tolerances.  - Why are Nvidia statements important?

1.  They are a publicly traded corporation.
2.  They are bound to international trade practices in reference to these public releases.
3.  Fraudulent public releases places undue financial hardship on the company.
4.  The CEO of NVIDIA would be legally, and financially liable for the statements.
   
   
   Do you honestly believe Nvidia... a company with 9.714 billion in revenue, and over 12 billion in assets,   would lie to the consumer, their investors, and the controlling bodies to avoid the minor scandal of 2 to 3 million in replacement and RMA costs due to an initial bad manufacturing run?  You're acting like this is some kind of anomaly when it comes to hardware.  Your personal experiences DO NOT dictate the reality of the situation.

English is not my native language, but I'm not stupid ignorant, so keep your arrogant teaching lessons for yourself!
'Your personal blind faith in Nvidia's integrity DO NOT dictate the reality of the situation'
Nvidia has already lied about their 970 memory spec.
Nvidia is facing a class action lawsuit for making false and misleading statement on their mining business.
https://www.fool.com/inve...k-at-these-nvidia.aspx
I'm not naive, and I don't mind, because I know big companies lie to cover their assets, but I don't like to be treated like a fool, me and so many others dealing with RMA.
You should go back and play with your card while it's still working...
Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

I don't think you understand the irony in your own statement lol.  What you're doing is nefarious to say the least. 

danperry13

Bee_Dee_3_Dee
"...[you're] tying anecdotal evidence to a secondary event and implying sweeping implications in reference to a product."
 
Tying anecdotal evidence?
 
Genius, scholarship, you erudite! I'd feel lame... but because of my unique well traveled roads I'm just fine.  
 

His card failed - therefore ALL RTX cards are a failure - it's anecdotal evidence.    My card failed, I see a shortage - therefore SO many cards are failing there aren't any to buy.   It's nonsense.

Just because we see what, 1-2 failed EVGA cards show up a day on average on the forum doesn't mean there's this Massive failure rate that Nvidia / EVGA / ASUS etc are all hiding.   It just means people with broken products post on pages asking for support - while most people with functioning products happily game about their day.

It's like asking prisoners to review the Police services.  It's nonsense.

Yep. Indeed.
 
I should have inserted a cute puppy picture. Or a glass half full pic.
 
I still feel I'm leaning towards stupid... because "anecdotal" has never been a part of my vocabulary.
 
What single word can better describe so many things that aren't worth arguing about? lol
 
Once again. U nailed the argument in #17.
 
Were u ever considered drill Sargent material?
 
I wouldn't want to tell u what to do. lol U'd take my words and make me look stupidoe.
 
Problem: An algorithm for anecdotal situations. One that doesn't result in an obtuse reactions.
 
obtuse reactions like:
 
family guy - the shawshank redemption parody part 1
 
family guy - the shawshank redemption parody part 2
 
^^ maybe as good a a cute puppy pic?
 
 

danperry13

Bee_Dee_3_Dee
 Were u ever considered drill Sargent material?
 

That would of required staying out of trouble rather than finding it lol. 

omg and smart too- that's real dangerous! lol
 
 

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