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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/24 23:19:16 (permalink)
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All 3 of the FTW3 Ultra 3080's I have had here didn't have the problem, all 3 were easily pulling 450W.
 
And that is 3 different cards.



All three 3090 FTW3 cards I had couldn't pull 450 watts with the stock 450 watt BIOS.  All three 3090 FTW3 cards I had couldn't pull 500 watts with the 500 watt XOC BIOS.  Then I flash the XOC BIOS onto the MSI and Asus 3090 cards with three 8 pin connectors cards and they draw 500 watts.




 
 
Like I said I don't know about the 3090's because I don't have one, going by and talking about the 3080 FTW3 Ultras I had.
 
 

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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/25 03:25:41 (permalink)
Heck, mine pulls 23W on a good day.  My 1st and 2nd also pull with a 20-30W margin between the two.  That being said I can cap out at 420W with the 500W BIOS.  Still, for a card that costs this much, seems sort of ridiculous that this happens.  I wonder what the effect on the longevity of the card could be, maybe purchasing that extended warranty won't be such a bad idea.  Performance-wise everything seems to be in order so I can't complain too much.


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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/25 23:08:01 (permalink)
3080 FTW3 Hybrid, 445w average in Furmark 2560x1920 2xMSAA, in HWiNFO.  Have seen a peak of 485w or so in GPU-Z.  400-420w in RDR2 4K VRR Vulcan, about 75 fps, 55C. But in something like STEEP, DX11, it really doesn't want to get above 380w, often around 350-375w, 50C. About 1.081-1.1v and 2,100 mhz. Rad fans powered through fan hub, 1300w Seasonic Prime Gold three cables.
 
So yeah, if you're not loading up the card super hard, OC'd, running high res and cool, it's just not going to ride the power limit like a 2080 Ti.
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/26 00:28:43 (permalink)
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So yeah, if you're not loading up the card super hard, OC'd, running high res and cool, it's just not going to ride the power limit like a 2080 Ti.

Not riding the power limit isn't a problem. It's good if it doesn't ride the power limit.

The problem that some people are having is that their card is riding the power limit constantly, even though their total power draw is less than the BIOS allows. Their card is riding the power limit because their card is unable to effectively use power from all inputs. There is one I linked to which is riding the power limit at less than 300 watts which is causing the core to throttle down to less than 1000 MHz.
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/26 04:28:44 (permalink)
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So yeah, if you're not loading up the card super hard, OC'd, running high res and cool, it's just not going to ride the power limit like a 2080 Ti.

Not riding the power limit isn't a problem. It's good if it doesn't ride the power limit.

The problem that some people are having is that their card is riding the power limit constantly, even though their total power draw is less than the BIOS allows. Their card is riding the power limit because their card is unable to effectively use power from all inputs. There is one I linked to which is riding the power limit at less than 300 watts which is causing the core to throttle down to less than 1000 MHz.



Yes why we buying the 3 plugs version maybe next time I can save a lot power if got 4 plugs hahaha
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/26 09:38:54 (permalink)
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So yeah, if you're not loading up the card super hard, OC'd, running high res and cool, it's just not going to ride the power limit like a 2080 Ti.

Not riding the power limit isn't a problem. It's good if it doesn't ride the power limit.

The problem that some people are having is that their card is riding the power limit constantly, even though their total power draw is less than the BIOS allows. Their card is riding the power limit because their card is unable to effectively use power from all inputs. There is one I linked to which is riding the power limit at less than 300 watts which is causing the core to throttle down to less than 1000 MHz.



My 2080 Ti rides the power limit like a pony.  It takes Furmark to make the 3080 ride the power limit.
 
Nobody said that was good.
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/02/26 13:00:22 (permalink)
I know that nobody said that would be a good thing. What I was saying is that the experience you are having isn't the same experience that everyone is having. I was trying to provide a hint without being too direct. I thought you would catch on. This should be clearer: yours is good if it isn't riding the power limit.
 
You essentially said that your video card is not constantly riding the power limit, and that it is a good thing that it isn't constantly riding the power limit.  I agree.  Everyone agrees.  But that isn't the experience that everyone is having.  The people who are having a bad experience have stated the experience that they are having.  Can you appreciate that their experience could be different than yours?

Some of these people are having a problem with these cards riding the power limit even though their card is way below the supposed total board power draw. For example, the one I mentioned in the quote you quoted. Cool for you, if you aren't one of those people. Please read the quote you quoted before replying.

They just keep coming.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2021/02/26 15:59:34
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/02 17:54:10 (permalink)
Classical technology had one die

https://youtu.be/lSb_4RB2nbw

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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/02 17:58:08 (permalink)
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Classical technology had one die

https://youtu.be/lSb_4RB2nbw


Not watching that clickbait video. Why would Evga not RMA a dead card? Only reason would be user damage like water damage or some crap like that.
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/02 20:12:39 (permalink)
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Not watching that clickbait video. Why would Evga not RMA a dead card?

Are you making stuff up?  Yes.
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/02 20:47:15 (permalink)
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Classical technology had one die

https://youtu.be/lSb_4RB2nbw


Not watching that clickbait video. Why would Evga not RMA a dead card? Only reason would be user damage like water damage or some crap like that.


It's a dead card. Who cares about the rma. We all know the rma will go fine. I really don't care if you watch it but you are coming off as quite the brand loyalist. Good for you. Stick to you guns.

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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/04 01:22:53 (permalink)
I emailed Steve about this, as well. My third power port is hitting a hard ceiling at 70W despite being on the 450W BIOS and having sufficient thermal breathing room to go higher, yet it does not. It's like the BIOS isn't disabling the inhibitor. Can't help but wonder if it's a downstream issue of other hardware problems, given the number of other hardware issues that myself and others are having. Grateful to have a card, but golly, what a headache this line has been thus far.

jankerson
All 3 of the FTW3 Ultra 3080's I have had here didn't have the problem, all 3 were easily pulling 450W.
 
And that is 3 different cards.


What was your cooling method + testing setup/environment? Would you be able to attach a GPU-Z screenshot of sensors for comparison? I'm curious about the other sensors as a whole package, not just merely the power sensors.
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/04 07:47:06 (permalink)
 
 
So lets talk about real world impact due to this, like to people that use their DYI rig for... well.. you know.. WORK.  I have had my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra since mid-November.  Works great for the games I play, can control all 4 monitors, separate work related stuff in each.. including remote sessions to my work environments.
 
However, occasionally.. (like at least once a week) I get a BSOD in Zoom (most frequent) or even Google Hangouts (less frequent).  Dump file analysis points to Graphics card Driver.  Further analysis points to this issue.  My second rig uses a ASrock Phantom 6900XT GPU.. no issues with Zoom (but occasional issues in one of my favorite games due to driver problems).
 
My solution:  I use my smart device for those meetings.
 
/shrug
 
 

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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/04 09:24:20 (permalink)
Could you imagine using a 3090 FTW3 for work and zoom calls?
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Re: EVGA's response to my enquiry on the pcie power issues 2021/03/04 09:39:31 (permalink)
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Could you imagine using a 3090 FTW3 for work and zoom calls?



 
I used it.. it did not like zoom.  I am not joking.  I game on it all day and its solid but try zoom or even google sometimes.. and BSOD.  Its a driver issue and a power issue... and surprisingly its not just with these cards.  There is not fix other then messing with power delivery which I refuse to do.  
 
I used to have this vision of one rig that can do everything for me.  Well that's not going to happen.
 
I'm not too upset.. since all my games play with 0 issues.  My 6900XT based rig is just garbage in comparison for games since only 1 game plays on it without a problem.  And that game only after a patch to it.

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