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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/04 00:59:03 (permalink)
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Am I the only one who realizes that the Z30 Dark and X299 Dark are two of the best overclocking motherboards on the market? The x58s were great, but come on! The Asus Apex boards are close but spec wise the EVGA boards are better, and this is coming from a z390 apex owner. I needed more USB 3.1 so I went with the Apex. Do they have pretty lights? No. But they're minimalist and get the job done better than any other product on the market.


but 99% of buyers, even high end boards, do not overclock to the extreme that an Apex or Dark board offers. As a result, you're better off going with the XI Extreme or some other mobo for the 99%.
 
EVGA doesn't make mobos for the masses anymore. Tin and Kingpin make kick ass mobos for OCing but not daily driving.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/04 03:10:36 (permalink)
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Also looking at the glass door stuff, I wonder if it isn't management like this that caused them to loose the kick-ass Mobo designers that all left around the end of x58.

Yeah I do recall some crap happening way back then. I think it was Shansmi (spelling?) was one person in particular that was a big loss to EVGA, and I believe it was due to disagreements with management at the time. The X58 platform was probably the best to date in terms of 'it just works'. Great BIOS work.
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New support hours, "Starting June 3rd, 2019 EVGA's global customer service office located in California, United States will be changing its hours of operation. The new hours of operation will be from 6AM PT to 10PM PT, 7 days a week. All support requests outside of this time will be processed in the order they are received the following business day. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to supporting all of your EVGA products. Thank You, EVGA Management""

Did they ever work weekends and holidays 24/7? The new hours are 16 hours a day, 7 days a week - that's pretty damn good imho. Many businesses run 9-5 Mon-Fri only.
But yeah.. amazing what a difference management can make. Look at FrozenCPU for an extreme example, lol.

You mean Shamino Nereus??!? Or Shane, the web guy?

I remember the name Shamino too, but I think it was Shansmi or something like that - he did a lot of the BIOS work back then. ..or maybe it was Shamino. Whatever, it was definitely a loss to EVGA.
 
 


Yeah that was shamino who was lured away after the x58's etc... def was a big hit at the time for evga. Shane left too and the debacle with Unwinder happened not too long after that also, a lot of good people have exited. 

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/04 15:34:07 (permalink)
I have two x99 Classifieds, one x99 FTW, two Z370FTW and a x79 Classified. Also have an Asus Strix x99, two Asrock Z370 killer, two dual Asrock LGA 2011 and several Asus x79 WS boards. They all OC well and are stable. I like the Asus and Asrock boards. I can't say they are any better or worse than my EVGA boards. 
Had EVGA x58 Classifieds and Asus ROG boards. All of them were good boards that OC well and were stable too.
I have no problem recommending an EVGA board, GPU or PSU.
 
 
 

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/05 10:34:35 (permalink)
As with all business, adapt or die. Exclusive agreements with Intel and Nvidia put EVGA in a bad place right now. And I'm taking bets EVGA is seeing a lot of apathy from both manufacturers about their plight. To further compound that issue, I foresee both Intel and Nvidia being rather underhanded with the writing in those agreements once the Intel GPU is released giving EVGA further problems. Adding all the cheap plastic peripherals in the world to EVGA's lineup won't change those bad exclusive agreements they're stuck in.
 
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Looks like it's time to go AMD.




It seems like a no-brainer. Still, I wonder about the logistics of the whole thing. They have never done AMD motherboards, one would figure there is a learning curve, and who knows how much time they have to steer the ship in the right direction.


EVGA has made AMD boards before, AM2+ Athlon 64 days so it has been awhile.


Technically speaking, those were never "AMD" mobos, those were Nvidia nForce chipset mobos. So they were really only being made because of Nvidia chipsets. Nvidia no longer makes mobo chipsets thanks to Intel.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 04:04:01 (permalink)
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Also looking at the glass door stuff, I wonder if it isn't management like this that caused them to loose the kick-ass Mobo designers that all left around the end of x58.

Yeah I do recall some crap happening way back then. I think it was Shansmi (spelling?) was one person in particular that was a big loss to EVGA, and I believe it was due to disagreements with management at the time. The X58 platform was probably the best to date in terms of 'it just works'. Great BIOS work.
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New support hours, "Starting June 3rd, 2019 EVGA's global customer service office located in California, United States will be changing its hours of operation. The new hours of operation will be from 6AM PT to 10PM PT, 7 days a week. All support requests outside of this time will be processed in the order they are received the following business day. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to supporting all of your EVGA products. Thank You, EVGA Management""

Did they ever work weekends and holidays 24/7? The new hours are 16 hours a day, 7 days a week - that's pretty damn good imho. Many businesses run 9-5 Mon-Fri only.
But yeah.. amazing what a difference management can make. Look at FrozenCPU for an extreme example, lol.

You mean Shamino Nereus??!? Or Shane, the web guy?

I remember the name Shamino too, but I think it was Shansmi or something like that - he did a lot of the BIOS work back then. ..or maybe it was Shamino. Whatever, it was definitely a loss to EVGA.
 
 


Yeah that was shamino who was lured away after the x58's etc... def was a big hit at the time for evga. Shane left too and the debacle with Unwinder happened not too long after that also, a lot of good people have exited. 




Shamino left in like 2009. Shane left in early 2013. Agent Tiny left in 2014.
 
 
 
 
 


 
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 05:12:26 (permalink)
I'm seeing a few former EVGA employees old posts around, and they have the title EVGA Alumni. Is that new, or has it been around a bit? I could see that title being created due to the restructuring, but don't know for sure it wasn't there for awhile before.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 07:16:24 (permalink)
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I'm seeing a few former EVGA employees old posts around, and they have the title EVGA Alumni. Is that new, or has it been around a bit? I could see that title being created due to the restructuring, but don't know for sure it wasn't there for awhile before.

I noticed it also. I made a comment about it, but no one replied. I am quite sure that there weren't "EVGA Alumni" previously and that the title is related to them being recently laid off.

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 08:23:33 (permalink)
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I noticed it also. I made a comment about it, but no one replied. I am quite sure that there weren't "EVGA Alumni" previously and that the title is related to them being recently laid off.



I started that a while ago actually. In August of last year I believe. I noticed that some old accounts were still getting PM'ed with no response so I added that to hopefully prevent confusion.

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 08:47:00 (permalink)
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I noticed it also. I made a comment about it, but no one replied. I am quite sure that there weren't "EVGA Alumni" previously and that the title is related to them being recently laid off.



I started that a while ago actually. In August of last year I believe. I noticed that some old accounts were still getting PM'ed with no response so I added that to hopefully prevent confusion.

You don't expect them to return? So, they aren't laid off? They are fired?

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 10:22:40 (permalink)
 
I hope EVGA can keep it together... I don't work there so I don't know what's going on, but I've been in positions to see morale drop through the floor and previously good businesses fall to pieces because of one high-level authoritarian type person screwing everything up with bad management style, micromanaging, and a refusal to accept they might be wrong about anything. EVGA has a huge amount of goodwill attached to it that took many years to build, but it can be destroyed very easily and very quickly under the right (wrong) circumstances. I would be very saddened to see that happen to EVGA.
 
 


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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 11:41:45 (permalink)
EVGA is making cuts because they’re hemorrhaging money on people who don’t need to be there. The CFO quit because of the CEO, many people quit because of the CEO. When you work for a company and the CEO keeps telling you that you need to make cuts to save the company money all year instead of him making the necessary changes to profit the company than people won’t want to stay.

Also if you don’t want to give anyone bonuses for their hard work, they don’t feel appreciated. Take care of the people who bust their ass to make you money.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/08 19:51:25 (permalink)
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EVGA is making cuts because they’re hemorrhaging money on people who don’t need to be there. The CFO quit because of the CEO, many people quit because of the CEO. When you work for a company and the CEO keeps telling you that you need to make cuts to save the company money all year instead of him making the necessary changes to profit the company than people won’t want to stay.

Also if you don’t want to give anyone bonuses for their hard work, they don’t feel appreciated. Take care of the people who bust their ass to make you money.

Well. this sums it all, but realistically speaking, businesses are making the "make cuts to save money technique" globally, not just in the states.  

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 12:09:27 (permalink)
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I noticed it also. I made a comment about it, but no one replied. I am quite sure that there weren't "EVGA Alumni" previously and that the title is related to them being recently laid off.



I started that a while ago actually. In August of last year I believe. I noticed that some old accounts were still getting PM'ed with no response so I added that to hopefully prevent confusion.

You don't expect them to return? So, they aren't laid off? They are fired?

I think you're confused. Those are old EVGA employee accounts (aka no longer with the company). Their titles on the forum were changed to alumni as a nice way of saying they no longer work for EVGA and do not expect a reply from them if you message them.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 13:09:12 (permalink)
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One of EVGA's biggest positives are premium product and premium service, and the resulting good will from enthusiasts.



I concur. When I call EVGA technical support, I always get to speak to a knowledgeable human being within a short time. And many of the techs really do have deep knowledge. By way of contrast, when I recently tried to call Intel regarding a login problem on their website, I was on the phone for a long time and never got to speak to anyone, so I gave up.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 15:31:32 (permalink)
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I noticed it also. I made a comment about it, but no one replied. I am quite sure that there weren't "EVGA Alumni" previously and that the title is related to them being recently laid off.



I started that a while ago actually. In August of last year I believe. I noticed that some old accounts were still getting PM'ed with no response so I added that to hopefully prevent confusion.

You don't expect them to return? So, they aren't laid off? They are fired?

I think you're confused. Those are old EVGA employee accounts (aka no longer with the company). Their titles on the forum were changed to alumni as a nice way of saying they no longer work for EVGA and do not expect a reply from them if you message them.




People don't know that's what the new title means. I think the new title is to make it easier for evga and moderators to track what ex employee's say on here. If they left, let go or was fired, they still under a NDA. 


 
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 17:04:05 (permalink)
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I noticed it also. I made a comment about it, but no one replied. I am quite sure that there weren't "EVGA Alumni" previously and that the title is related to them being recently laid off.



I started that a while ago actually. In August of last year I believe. I noticed that some old accounts were still getting PM'ed with no response so I added that to hopefully prevent confusion.

You don't expect them to return? So, they aren't laid off? They are fired?

I think you're confused. Those are old EVGA employee accounts (aka no longer with the company). Their titles on the forum were changed to alumni as a nice way of saying they no longer work for EVGA and do not expect a reply from them if you message them.

Yes, old EVGA employees. Like the one I noticed who recently became an "old employee" ("EVGA Alumni") right at the same time that the EVGA layoffs occured. So, was he laid off and automatically assumed to not be returning (given the "Alumni" title and not really a lay-off per the definition), or did he happen to quit or get fired at the same time layoffs occurred? I guess we will never know.

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 17:39:22 (permalink)
 
Alumni means a former member of a group, company or organization, which is exactly what they are, regardless of whether they are returning or not. If they return, their title would change accordingly.
 
 


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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 18:07:19 (permalink)
An alumni association is an association of graduates or, more broadly, of former students (alumni).
In the United Kingdom and the United States, alumni of universities, colleges, schools (especially independent schools), fraternities, and sororities often form groups with alumni from the same organization.
A group of people who have graduated from a school or university.
Alumni is usually used to refer to a group of graduates of either one or both genders, while 'alumnus' traditionally refers to a single male graduate, with the feminine term being 'alumna'.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 19:32:05 (permalink)
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Alumni means a former member of a group, company or organization, which is exactly what they are, regardless of whether they are returning or not. If they return, their title would change accordingly.
 
 

Fair enough. But, EVGA said that they are doing so in order to prevent people contacting them by mistake and never getting a response. Which, seems to me that EVGA doesn't expect them to ever return. Sad.

You typically don't refer to someone who is laid off as a "former employee" until the maximum layoff period has expired or until that employee decides to be employed elsewhere. Until then, the employee collects unemployment and is expected to return to their position once business improves.
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/10 19:37:05 (permalink)
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Alumni means a former member of a group, company or organization, which is exactly what they are, regardless of whether they are returning or not. If they return, their title would change accordingly.

Fair enough. But, EVGA said that they are doing so in order to prevent people contacting them by mistake and never getting a response. Which, seems to me that EVGA doesn't expect them to ever return. Sad.

Yeah that is a bummer. Then again, maybe they won't want to come back if there's a clown running the circus ...so to speak. :D
 


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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/11 03:14:18 (permalink)
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Alumni means a former member of a group, company or organization, which is exactly what they are, regardless of whether they are returning or not. If they return, their title would change accordingly.
 
 

Fair enough. But, EVGA said that they are doing so in order to prevent people contacting them by mistake and never getting a response. Which, seems to me that EVGA doesn't expect them to ever return. Sad.

You typically don't refer to someone who is laid off as a "former employee" until the maximum layoff period has expired or until that employee decides to be employed elsewhere. Until then, the employee collects unemployment and is expected to return to their position once business improves.



I think the reason for the Alumni title is to make it easy for volunteer moderators to help evga monitor what ex-employee's might say on here (if anything). EVGA already said they monitor ex-employee's inbox.
 
Over the years i haven't seen very many ex-employee's post on here, if they do post it's probably under a different account to avoid people thinking they speak for evga. I remember ShaneD doing that for few months after leaving the company.
 
 


 
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/15 15:18:08 (permalink)
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Alumni means a former member of a group, company or organization, which is exactly what they are, regardless of whether they are returning or not. If they return, their title would change accordingly.

Alumni happens after a graduation. So, did they graduate into unemployment while wearing caps and gowns? Someone is a word ninja. 
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/15 16:04:01 (permalink)
This news is a total bummer. I'm not much for brand loyalty but every experience I've had with EVGA as a company has been great. The customer service, the RMAs, the quality of products in the first place. I recommend friends to buy EVGA whenever they get a chance because of those experiences, I hope this works out for the best because this is one of the few companies I've come to trust over the years.


 
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/15 17:09:02 (permalink)
Corporate Got too involved with eVGA , too much about numbers vs what made eVGA great back then, bring back and great crew, adapt or your going out of business...
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/15 21:38:06 (permalink)
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Alumni means a former member of a group, company or organization, which is exactly what they are, regardless of whether they are returning or not. If they return, their title would change accordingly.

Alumni happens after a graduation. So, did they graduate into unemployment while wearing caps and gowns? Someone is a word ninja. 

A college graduate is one definition of Alumni (and the most commonly used), but not the only definition.  ..although handing out a cap and gown with the pink slips might be amusing to the CEO if he/she were a particularly sadistic individual...
 


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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/16 02:00:24 (permalink)
Lets all be honest here, as much as I like EVGA's products, EVGA needs to stick with what they excel in GPUs, MOBOs, and PSUs. I would also drop everything but the Dark line of motherboards, the market is different now then how it was 5 years ago, everyone except the people who buy products for XOC are buying pretty boards with plastic covers and unicorn vomit. There's to many other companies making Keyboards and Mice to compete with, I honestly didn't know that an EVGA keyboard was a thing until about a month ago. Im sure case manufactures would team up with EVGA to make a case that offered specific EVGA features. Bring back stuff like EVBot, keep making products like the powerlink. I feel sorry for the employees of EVGA, Ive worked those 16 hour shifts and Ive worked 7 days a week sometime both combined, its not fun, you feel like jumping off a bridge at the end of the day and hope Moses parts the water when you get close.

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/16 08:25:39 (permalink)
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Lets all be honest here, as much as I like EVGA's products, EVGA needs to stick with what they excel in GPUs, MOBOs, and PSUs. I would also drop everything but the Dark line of motherboards, the market is different now then how it was 5 years ago, everyone except the people who buy products for XOC are buying pretty boards with plastic covers and unicorn vomit. There's to many other companies making Keyboards and Mice to compete with, I honestly didn't know that an EVGA keyboard was a thing until about a month ago. Im sure case manufactures would team up with EVGA to make a case that offered specific EVGA features. Bring back stuff like EVBot, keep making products like the powerlink. I feel sorry for the employees of EVGA, Ive worked those 16 hour shifts and Ive worked 7 days a week sometime both combined, its not fun, you feel like jumping off a bridge at the end of the day and hope Moses parts the water when you get close.

 
 
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Frankly I think the cheap plastic stuff they're pushing as peripherals are third party OEM. I don't see them doing all that nonsense in-house. If they are, then they're way off the rails. They really need to drop that OEM to solve some of their immediate perception issues.
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post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2019/06/16 08:29:16
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/19 16:14:27 (permalink)
With EVGA being Intel exclusive, the next year(s) will be a horror show on the motherboard side.  They still have time on the gpu side.  But that past corporate slight, whatever it was, between AMD and EVGA's management, is really going to nail them to a wall before long.  I'm very sorry for all the people that were let go.  I loved your commitment to US support.  But I have the feeling that the people canned got out easy. 
 
What's coming next with the Ryzen 2/3/4 rollout is going to hurt much worse.  I would personally focus on gpu's and psu's, and maybe that one motherboard everyone uses to eek out the last bit of performance from the 9900k.  And if you have a board of directors, or anyone sane at the helm, now would be the time for a Mea Culpa with AMD so you can at least get X590/B550/future schematics.  Although it may be too late already.  Again, I'm very sorry for all of you guys.  There or not.  You did a great job with what you had.  I appreciate it, but I've moved on from Intel/Nvidia for future purchases.  I wish you all the best in the future.  I hope EVGA can pull through and rebuild.  Take care.

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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/19 16:31:51 (permalink)
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Am I the only one who realizes that the Z30 Dark and X299 Dark are two of the best overclocking motherboards on the market? The x58s were great, but come on! The Asus Apex boards are close but spec wise the EVGA boards are better, and this is coming from a z390 apex owner. I needed more USB 3.1 so I went with the Apex. Do they have pretty lights? No. But they're minimalist and get the job done better than any other product on the market.


but 99% of buyers, even high end boards, do not overclock to the extreme that an Apex or Dark board offers. As a result, you're better off going with the XI Extreme or some other mobo for the 99%.
 
EVGA doesn't make mobos for the masses anymore. Tin and Kingpin make kick ass mobos for OCing but not daily driving.


As in my case, I got the x299 dark due to the price over other x299 boards i was looking at, think i ended up paying $220.00 for it. It was hard to pass up plus its a evga product cant beat that anyway. 
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Re: EVGA layoffs 2019/06/19 17:37:19 (permalink)
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bee144
tresnugget
Am I the only one who realizes that the Z30 Dark and X299 Dark are two of the best overclocking motherboards on the market? The x58s were great, but come on! The Asus Apex boards are close but spec wise the EVGA boards are better, and this is coming from a z390 apex owner. I needed more USB 3.1 so I went with the Apex. Do they have pretty lights? No. But they're minimalist and get the job done better than any other product on the market.


but 99% of buyers, even high end boards, do not overclock to the extreme that an Apex or Dark board offers. As a result, you're better off going with the XI Extreme or some other mobo for the 99%.
 
EVGA doesn't make mobos for the masses anymore. Tin and Kingpin make kick ass mobos for OCing but not daily driving.


As in my case, I got the x299 dark due to the price over other x299 boards i was looking at, think i ended up paying $220.00 for it. It was hard to pass up plus its a evga product cant beat that anyway. 




That's a great price for an x299 board! And like you said, it's an EVGA product. Even at a higher price I'm more willing to fork over the money to EVGA who has proven themselves to me with great warranty and customer support. I had an SR2 back in the day and even though I wasn't doing extreme overclocking I still loved the quality and results of my OC under water which managed 3.6ghz on a pair of 2.4ghz E5620 Xeon's. And the board held up through months of non-stop folding@home at those speeds. I happily paid the extra price for the motherboard because it had the EVGA name on it which meant quality and comfort to me. Even within the last few years I've had friends buy second hand EVGA parts and gotten warranty support and replacement PSU cables that were missing.


 
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