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2023/12/01 14:26:58 (permalink)
Hi
 
When will EVGA update Intel ME drivers/firmware on their drive page for Z790 motherboards? A lot of them are still from 2022 and for example provided for Intel ME is vulnerable:
 
Intel Management Engine Drivers v2229.3.2.0 <-- VULNERABLE
Release Date: 12/13/2022
 
 
post edited by ilukeberry - 2023/12/07 10:34:59

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/01 15:36:28 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/01 16:13:25 (permalink)
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Hi
 
When will EVGA update drivers on their drive page for Z790 motherboards? A lot of them are still from 2022 and for example provided for Intel ME is vulnerable:
 
Intel Management Engine Drivers v2229.3.2.0 <-- VULNERABLE
Release Date: 12/13/2022
 
 




I'm sure they'll get right on it, right after they get the 14th gen BIOS out that they promised was coming when they were still actively selling their stock of motherboards.

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/01 16:21:42 (permalink)
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Intel® Management Engine Drivers for Windows® 10 and Windows® 11


That is not "official EVGA" this needs to be provided by motherboard OEM.

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/05 11:21:15 (permalink)
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Intel® Management Engine Drivers for Windows® 10 and Windows® 11


That is not "official EVGA" this needs to be provided by motherboard OEM.


and IT'S NOT THE ME FIRMWARE, but the driver.
 
in any case, I already tried to bring the issue to the attention of this forum months ago, but evidently no one was interested, especially no one at EVGA.
And before anyone says that ME firmware updates can be forced, I remind you that each BIOS must be written for a specific ME and vice versa.

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/05 19:14:42 (permalink)
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Intel® Management Engine Drivers for Windows® 10 and Windows® 11


That is not "official EVGA" this needs to be provided by motherboard OEM.


and IT'S NOT THE ME FIRMWARE, but the driver.
 
in any case, I already tried to bring the issue to the attention of this forum months ago, but evidently no one was interested, especially no one at EVGA.
And before anyone says that ME firmware updates can be forced, I remind you that each BIOS must be written for a specific ME and vice versa.




Exactly this is not the firmware. We are all using outdated Microcodes for the CPUs multiple updates outdated, and outdated ME firmware that has security vulnerabilities. I wonder if Intel requires their board partners/suppliers to provide this support? 

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/06 05:53:30 (permalink)
The lack of fixing these security issues from EVGA is really worrying. They will probably never get fixed since they don't have motherboard division anymore and no one to maintain Z690 and Z790 line. 

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/06 08:42:21 (permalink)
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Intel® Management Engine Drivers for Windows® 10 and Windows® 11


That is not "official EVGA" this needs to be provided by motherboard OEM.


and IT'S NOT THE ME FIRMWARE, but the driver.
 
in any case, I already tried to bring the issue to the attention of this forum months ago, but evidently no one was interested, especially no one at EVGA.
And before anyone says that ME firmware updates can be forced, I remind you that each BIOS must be written for a specific ME and vice versa.




 I have ME disabled in the bios and do not have ME software installed, would this mitigate vulnerabilities? 

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/06 10:25:46 (permalink)

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/06 11:21:23 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
Run this tool and check it: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/19392/intel-converged-security-and-management-engine-version-detection-tool-intel-csmevdt.html





 
I dont use ME so I do not have the drivers/software installed but not sure if I'm still vulnerable?
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/06 12:11:29 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
Run this tool and check it: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/19392/intel-converged-security-and-management-engine-version-detection-tool-intel-csmevdt.html





 
I dont use ME so I do not have the drivers/software installed but not sure if I'm still vulnerable?


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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/07 05:45:16 (permalink)
I've run the "Detection Tool" and it results in the statement "This System is vulnerable".  I'm no expert on this topic for sure and would like to know how we can protect our Systems in light of no BIOS updates from EVGA.  Reading the Intel Support docs associated with the Vulnerabilities from this Detection Tool result, Intel is clearly stating that is it EVGA's responsibility to provide updated Firmware.  Quote: "Contact your system or motherboard manufacturer regarding their plans for making the updates available to end users."
 
Seeing that EVGA is not providing us with any updated firmware, it would seem that we can (1) just take our chances or (2) dump these unsupported motherboards and buy something that is/will be supported.  Intel also lists all the Motherboard Companies that are providing Firmware updates and EVGA is not on that list. 
 
Purchasing the EVGA Z790 Classified (back in April of this year) was a mistake given their (perceived) abandonment of motherboard BIOS support.  I've been buying from EVGA for many years, but allegiance has its common-sense limits.  What I didn't think about (at the time of purchase) was that EVGA would totally abandon Z790 motherboard BIOS support so early while actively selling the product.  They could be liable for it in the future if any customers are actually harmed by lack of BIOS security updates.  Maybe the CEO needs to think about that potential problem that could follow him into the future.  EVGA made no statement about "buy at your own risk" or "no further BIOS updates will be released" to customers who were purchasing their Z790 series motherboards.
 
My 2-cents on this matter...



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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/07 06:48:59 (permalink)
Hello. I decided to replace my Z790 Dark KP. I will get MSI Z90 ACE Max instead. I have an used 900D case and a 1080 Ti lying around. I set it up for my younger son. It won't be a simple task since my Z790 Dark KP main rig is a custom loop. I am doing some updates on the loop so I thought of replacing the board while I'm at it.
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/07 10:33:53 (permalink)
Did anyone contact their support regarding this issue? :D or they will say: "update for ME firmware has been requested"

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/07 11:56:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2024/01/04 12:39:46
Intel Management Engine is an embedded controller they put in the CPUs to add extra security to the chips. Here's their explanation:
 
 

The Intel® Management Engine is an embedded microcontroller (integrated on some Intel chipsets) running a lightweight microkernel operating system that provides a variety of features and services for Intel® processor–based computer systems.
What kind of features does Intel® Management Engine have?
Features include (but are not limited to):
  • Low-power, out-of-band (OOB) management services
  • Capability Licensing Service (CLS)
  • Anti-Theft Protection
  • Protected Audio Video Path (PAVP)
At system initialization, the Intel® Management Engine loads its code from system flash memory. This allows the Intel® Management Engine to be up before the main operating system is started. For run-time data storage, the Intel® Management Engine has access to a protected area of system memory (in addition to a small amount of on-chip cache memory for faster and more efficient processing).

A fundamental feature of the Intel® Management Engine is that its power states are independent of the host OS power states. This feature allows it to be up when the microprocessor and many other components of the system are in deeper sleep states. As a result, the Intel® Management Engine can be a fully functioning component as soon as power is applied to the system. This capability allows it to respond to OOB commands from the IT management console without having to wake up the rest of the system. Therefore, power consumption is reduced significantly.

 
For 99%+ of individual consumers, it is not needed and has no functional use. For IT professionals, it can add some benefits of theft prevention, license management, etc. It is something Intel has made for mostly business use and their tool that tells you if it's functional or "providing adequate protection" is going to tell you that you're not protected unless it's fully up to date and enabled. Whether that's important to you is your call. Just like "memory integrity" setting within Windows...you can enable it and make sure your CPU is less susceptible to exploits, but it also hinders performance (and functionality in some apps), so most gamers just disable it anyway.

That tool you're looking at is a closer example to antivirus software that tells you your system is not protected unless you buy their highest bloatware that they sell. Does it actually mean your computer is at risk? Probably not.
 
This is why there are plenty of people that just disable Intel ME anyway.

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/08 05:29:01 (permalink)
Good discussion...there's always something new to learn.  Digging into the bowels of "ME" seems akin to "do I take the red pill or the blue pill"...
 
I looked through the BIOS settings on my Z790 Classified for something related to "Intel ME".  Under Advanced, PCH Configuration I saw a setting for "ME Function" (enabled or disabled).  The on-screen note for this setting says "When disabled ME will be put into ME Temporarily Disabled Mode".  So, if we set that to "disabled" are we simply disabling "Intel Active Management Technology (AMT)"?  From what I've read, you can't disable ME, but could choose whether you want AMT to be running.  For me as just a home user, disabling AMT seems like a thing to do since I'm not interested (or want) a Remote Management Tool running on my PC that is more suited for an IT organization's needs.
 
But, I'm not completely clear on exactly what I'm actually "disabling" in that BIOS setting for this 790 motherboard.  My guess would be that I'm disabling "AMT" (not ME).  But when I'm not sure about a BIOS setting, I tend to not change things unless I know the exact effect/result.



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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/08 08:46:01 (permalink)
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Good discussion...there's always something new to learn.  Digging into the bowels of "ME" seems akin to "do I take the red pill or the blue pill"...
 
I looked through the BIOS settings on my Z790 Classified for something related to "Intel ME".  Under Advanced, PCH Configuration I saw a setting for "ME Function" (enabled or disabled).  The on-screen note for this setting says "When disabled ME will be put into ME Temporarily Disabled Mode".  So, if we set that to "disabled" are we simply disabling "Intel Active Management Technology (AMT)"?  From what I've read, you can't disable ME, but could choose whether you want AMT to be running.  For me as just a home user, disabling AMT seems like a thing to do since I'm not interested (or want) a Remote Management Tool running on my PC that is more suited for an IT organization's needs.
 
But, I'm not completely clear on exactly what I'm actually "disabling" in that BIOS setting for this 790 motherboard.  My guess would be that I'm disabling "AMT" (not ME).  But when I'm not sure about a BIOS setting, I tend to not change things unless I know the exact effect/result.


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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/08 09:42:17 (permalink)
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Good discussion...there's always something new to learn.  Digging into the bowels of "ME" seems akin to "do I take the red pill or the blue pill"...
 
I looked through the BIOS settings on my Z790 Classified for something related to "Intel ME".  Under Advanced, PCH Configuration I saw a setting for "ME Function" (enabled or disabled).  The on-screen note for this setting says "When disabled ME will be put into ME Temporarily Disabled Mode".  So, if we set that to "disabled" are we simply disabling "Intel Active Management Technology (AMT)"?  From what I've read, you can't disable ME, but could choose whether you want AMT to be running.  For me as just a home user, disabling AMT seems like a thing to do since I'm not interested (or want) a Remote Management Tool running on my PC that is more suited for an IT organization's needs.
 
But, I'm not completely clear on exactly what I'm actually "disabling" in that BIOS setting for this 790 motherboard.  My guess would be that I'm disabling "AMT" (not ME).  But when I'm not sure about a BIOS setting, I tend to not change things unless I know the exact effect/result.


 
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/09 05:49:54 (permalink)
Hey Bill...good to see that you are still on the Board.  I have fond memories of serving with a great EVGA Folding and Crunching Team.  Merry Christmas to you, God bless you and yours.
 
 
 
 



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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/10 02:32:46 (permalink)
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Intel Management Engine is an embedded controller they put in the CPUs to add extra security to the chips. Here's their explanation:
 
 

The Intel® Management Engine is an embedded microcontroller (integrated on some Intel chipsets) running a lightweight microkernel operating system that provides a variety of features and services for Intel® processor–based computer systems.
What kind of features does Intel® Management Engine have?
Features include (but are not limited to):
  • Low-power, out-of-band (OOB) management services
  • Capability Licensing Service (CLS)
  • Anti-Theft Protection
  • Protected Audio Video Path (PAVP)
At system initialization, the Intel® Management Engine loads its code from system flash memory. This allows the Intel® Management Engine to be up before the main operating system is started. For run-time data storage, the Intel® Management Engine has access to a protected area of system memory (in addition to a small amount of on-chip cache memory for faster and more efficient processing).

A fundamental feature of the Intel® Management Engine is that its power states are independent of the host OS power states. This feature allows it to be up when the microprocessor and many other components of the system are in deeper sleep states. As a result, the Intel® Management Engine can be a fully functioning component as soon as power is applied to the system. This capability allows it to respond to OOB commands from the IT management console without having to wake up the rest of the system. Therefore, power consumption is reduced significantly.

 
For 99%+ of individual consumers, it is not needed and has no functional use. For IT professionals, it can add some benefits of theft prevention, license management, etc. It is something Intel has made for mostly business use and their tool that tells you if it's functional or "providing adequate protection" is going to tell you that you're not protected unless it's fully up to date and enabled. Whether that's important to you is your call. Just like "memory integrity" setting within Windows...you can enable it and make sure your CPU is less susceptible to exploits, but it also hinders performance (and functionality in some apps), so most gamers just disable it anyway.

That tool you're looking at is a closer example to antivirus software that tells you your system is not protected unless you buy their highest bloatware that they sell. Does it actually mean your computer is at risk? Probably not.
 
This is why there are plenty of people that just disable Intel ME anyway.


 
Thank you, that's interesting. I only installed LAN, ME and WiFi on my Z690 Classified, next time I'll do the installation without ME. The less, the better.
post edited by Stardust_One - 2023/12/10 05:40:00

 
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EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/31 14:25:42 (permalink)
Happy New Year to you. Greetings from Stehekin, WA! The first snow has arrived. Yes...your commentary speaks to the heart of the matter. When I first purchased my Z790 KP MB on 2/7/2023…EVGA furnished me with an ‘all in one’ USB drive containing all of the correct drivers available at that time and all in one place. Wow! Since then as you know most of these drivers are now dated 12/13/2022, and with a heavy heart I assume that EVGA will continue in remaining mute about publishing updated drivers including such as WIFI, Audio, Bluetooth, Serial I/O, Network, Intel ME, Intel RST and Chipset. And then the obvious ‘missing in action’ BIOS updates embracing compatibility with the 14th generation of Intel Core CPUs. I would love to be refreshed for 2024 and question how expensive or costly actually would that be for EVGA having written for them lower-level programming languages and replacing their way outdated Microcodes? For later in 2014 I am now budgeting for Arrow Lake with a LGA1851 socket and being prepared to revisit ASUS with $1400 in my pocket for one of their Extreme MBs. Goodbye EVGA! As to EVGA and its future? My dear Mother used to say: “A dream is just a dream and a wish is just a wish!” And Mother was always right!
 


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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/31 14:59:40 (permalink)
It's not just EVGA, other manufacturers have not updated their boards either.  Pretty sure everyone is waiting for Intel to release something to the builders.


 
   
 
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2023/12/31 20:34:33 (permalink)
ASUS has been updating on a regular basis for their Z690 and Z790 Maximus Extreme boards. I was going to attach the screenshot of the result window I just got but the insert image link isn't working.
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2024/01/02 11:46:52 (permalink)
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ASUS has been updating on a regular basis for their Z690 and Z790 Maximus Extreme boards. I was going to attach the screenshot of the result window I just got but the insert image link isn't working.


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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2024/01/03 09:59:22 (permalink)
Greetings from Stehekin, WA! Today again the word ‘Vulnerability” sticks into my craw! I keep on asking myself: “What’s new and or is the message from EVGA corporate on any of their 2024 resolutions? Has anyone seen or overheard anything positive? I most certainly was hoping with EVGA officially offering us a full disclosure of its roadmap for the years 2024-2025 and detailing its two-year consumer-focused strategy. I believe that its still existing large client base is more specifically looking for a roadmap including upcoming new alignments of product strategies, new branding structures, new product partnering and how EVGA will be prioritizing its innovation and technology leadership. The question also begs in how EVGA will be reemphasizing the prominence of its brand and which has been a staple of the PC industry for nearly a decade. Surely its clients and or long time supporters would also like to be reassured that EVGA will continue its unsurpassed RMA and warranty services. So will there be a 'roadmap' and positive news be forthcoming from EVGA corporate? Hope floats!
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2024/01/03 10:44:06 (permalink)
They don't give a ****. :)

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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2024/01/05 21:37:55 (permalink)
EVGA..... This has gone far enough.... Update the firmwares and release newer drivers for ALL hardware one more time PLEASE! 
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Re: EVGA Z790 motherboard outdated Intel ME driver VULNERABLE! 2024/01/06 09:29:19 (permalink)
Quote....decided to replace my Z790 Dark KP. I have an used 900D case and a 1080 TI, so I thought of replacing the board while I'm at it. 
 
Greetings from Stehekin, WA! Where no roads can take you. Even in the blinding snow here it’s now glaringly clear that EVGA has not come through for me. Having paid $905 last year for the Z790 KP (including taxes and shipping) now turned out to be a big disappointment and financial decision. Took the ferry last week and visited our local computer show in Wenatchee, WA! Like all of these shows a true marketplace for the man on the street with shallow pockets. Excellent in ‘listening-in’ to the talks of the people scurrying between the folding tables and the ‘sing-song’ accents from the Indian dealers from Bangladesh. No sales tax, extra 10% discount when paying with cash. 70% of the merchandise is new but usually of several generations ago. Even a few all new and still in the box Corsair 1000D cases at $200 were proffered. Good for my sausage fingers and more space for the inside air in moving around. Then refurbished GTX 1080ti’s were plentiful as well and listed at $99. I heard people say: “When comparing cost-to-performance the 1080s are still an enticing option and in terms of raw gaming performance, they will keep on holding their ground fairly well in 2024.” About selling my Z790 KP in the box and with all of the attachments? “Asrani from Nehru Place offered me $125 cash but with all of my DDR5 (2x32GB) in place! Yes…EVGA we have come a long way baby! 
 

 
 

>Case: Cosmos C700M EATX >PSU: Seasonic TX-1300 Titanium 12VHPWR >MB: EVGA Z790 Dark Kingpin >CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K >Storage: (2X) SAMSUNG 990 PRO 2TB >1X) SAMSUNG 990 PRO 4TB >GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 >Cooling: Noctua NH-D15S Dual-Tower NF-A15 PWM 140mm >Case Fans: (7X) Noctua NF-A12x25 120mm >RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR5 (2x32GB) 6000 MHz >Monitor: Alienware AW3821DW QHD 3840x1600 >OS: WIN 11 Professional  
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