Hoping for some release information on the Hybrid 3080's...

northo00
Edit: Added photos, idle is with no fan spinning on card and 760rpm, 100% on card fan reduces temperatures to 35c ish.

Show your fan speed readouts and temps with 100% load, 100% power with FURMARK 0x MSAA.  Then the ICX data.
 
17% power, 495 mhz is a HIGH idle if you're on the "Normal" Power Management setting, Nvidia driver, and have one display.  There is something running in the background.
 
The ram and gpu readings in the ICX readout should be higher temp than the GPU core, by like 10-20C.  VRMs should be about the temp of the chip.

powerhoss
Has anyone heard of a possible update on the ETA for when the 3080 hydrocopper queue will re-open? Thanks!

I've been asking Jacob on twitter every few days when he said we'd get an update to the queue sometime this week but I feel like he's been avoiding any questions relating to it. 

northo00
 

kevinc313
Show your fan speed readouts and temps with 100% load, 100% power with FURMARK 0x MSAA.  Then the ICX data.
 
17% power, 495 mhz is a HIGH idle if you're on the "Normal" Power Management setting, Nvidia driver, and have one display.  There is something running in the background.
 
The ram and gpu readings in the ICX readout should be higher temp than the GPU core, by like 10-20C.  VRMs should be about the temp of the chip.

Forgot to factor wallpaperengine was running in background and dropped idle temps to 28c if the computer is completely left alone, otherwise it'll still maintain 33c with 210mhz speed.
I'm lost on the readings with Furmark, running with power limit at 100%, 4K fullscreen and windowed the clock speeds didn't pick up, fans at 100% but temperatures are lower at 65c, putting 'Preferred Maximum Performance' does nothing.

Interesting.  You want to run the Furmark GPU Stress Test at 2560x1980 0X MSAA windowed, if needed increase your core overclock by +90 to get the power use up into the 90-100% range.  Use and power should be bouncing off 100%.  Clocks will be less than normal gaming by like 100-300mhz because Furmark is a very heavy load.
 
Looking at your Geeks3D readout, it's a huge red flag that you're hitting the temp limit with only 65C and 63% power. That's really wrong.  Look at the X1 HWM graph and see if you're seeing GPU core temp spikes, that would indicate the card is massively overheating and cutting power to protect itself. 
 
Bad die contact..?  What does your paste look like when you pull off the pump block?  I'd say you had a bad pump but your temps drop down fast without load.  

Has anyone installed a hybrid kit but just kept the Air Ultra bios?  I had been using the OC 450w bios with 44% min rad fans on my 3080 FTW3 Hybrid, just flashed to the re-BAR normal fan 450w bios and the rad minimum is 30%.  I've got some 3600RPM San Ace fans I want to run off a fan header with the card's PWM.  Will the AIR bios let me run the rad fan at 0% PWM, which is 1000rpm on my fans.

Hotspot temp seems very high.............?  It seems like the card is trying to thermally protect itself.  Show the X1 HWM power graph, it might be trying to go to full power and dropping back, peaking.
 
https://www.bit-tech.net/news/tech/cooling/hwinfo-monitor-to-expose-nvidia-gpu-hotspot-temperatures/1/
 
That could be doing it.

northo00

kevinc313
Hotspot temp seems very high.............?  It seems like the card is trying to thermally protect itself.  Show the X1 HWM power graph, it might be trying to go to full power and dropping back, peaking.
 
 
 
That could be doing it.

So if the hotspot is very high, does this point to the die/thermal pasting being the problem? Have to look into it tomorrow as it's nearly 3am where I am.

I'm not familiar with troubleshooting around the hotspot reading as it's brand new, I don't even have the HWiNFO version that reads it or know where it is physically.  But 105C is pretty hot and much higher than shown in that article.
 
That power graph is very telling.  It tries to go to 100% power and immediately pulls back to ~60%, likely due to some sort of internal thermal limit.  Indicating it heated up FAST.  Seems like hitting 105C on the hot spot trips the power limit.
 
If you are going to pull the card apart, please take detailed pictures from the side/angle of the pump block and heatsinks before you do, then a picture of the block and die with the paste, right after you pull it off.
 
 

Should be at bottom of list of sensors on gpu for limiters with yes/no double click each one you want graph for to see when its hitting limit

northo00

kevinc313
Hotspot temp seems very high.............?  It seems like the card is trying to thermally protect itself.  Show the X1 HWM power graph, it might be trying to go to full power and dropping back, peaking.
 
 
 
That could be doing it.

So if the hotspot is very high, does this point to the die/thermal pasting being the problem? Have to look into it tomorrow as it's nearly 3am where I am.

So I ran Furmark for a while at 56-57C, 442W average on my 3080 FTW3 Hybrid, average hotspot temp was about 73C, mem junction 90C.  Normal gaming OC and fan settings, top filter not removed.  See attached.  You have something SERIOUSLY wrong with your cooling.

northo00

kevinc313
So I ran Furmark for a while at 56-57C, 442W average on my 3080 FTW3 Hybrid, average hotspot temp was about 73C, mem junction 90C.  Normal gaming OC and fan settings, top filter not removed.  See attached.  You have something SERIOUSLY wrong with your cooling.

Okay bit of interesting development. I've gone into the card again and cleaned up all the paste, just doing a hard reset on things in general. Running the tests again, power is hitting 101% with higher clock speeds averaging 1230mhz and consistent power limit. However the MEM temps have shot up and memory junction and hot spot (while cooler) is still too high. After closing the temperature dips to 50 before steadily declining now. Fans untouched at auto settings, maintaining 2500rpm and 3000rpm.
 
Usually taking the card apart the copper plate sticks onto the chips around the die from thermal padding. I had to remove EVGA's thermal paste that was around the copper plate as it was very dried and fragmented with missing bits around the area. Both the card and hybrid are getting RMA'd, I cannot figure out what else to do beyond what has been tried before.

Edit: Having trouble uploading the second load screenshot and the pump/card itself despite meeting requirements. Second load screenshot shows memory junction at 108c current and hot spot at 98c with power and clock speeds going as said above.

Hey that actually looks pretty good now.  About a 20C delta from load to no load is normal, that means the difference between the chip and coolant is about 20C.  Normal.  For you to be operating at 70C+ is technically fine if not optimal.  I think now it's an issue of case airflow, you probably need more fans intaking, pressurizing the case with fresh cool air, plus GOOD push pull fans on the radiator.
 
You mentioned the VRAM copper plate, it is critical that there is paste between the plate and pump block and good contact.
 
Keep in mind my results are with a highly optimized setup, there are plenty of people with hybrids in the 60-75C range.  I've got the stock fans on the rad pushing, with Noctua A12x25 (pressure fans) pulling, and they are sealed to the radiator with tape, they run off my case's fan hub from the card's PWM signal, top mount exhaust.  Then I've got three other 120mm just intake fans running about 1500rpm. Front 280mm AIO with push pull, the inner pulling fans ramp up based on system temp, generally the CPU doesn't run hot for me since I'm gaming at 4K.  One 120mm rear exhaust fan that runs at about half speed.  Lian Li Lancool Mesh which is very free flowing.  So overall I'm making the inside of the case cool and pressurized, which means plenty of air through the top rad keeping coolant temps in the high 30's even under 400w+.
 
If there's a question about case air heat or flow, a quick test you can try is making the rad fans top intake push and removing any top filter.  System/ram/mos/vram temps will go up but GPU temp may go down.

northo00

kevinc313
 
Hey that actually looks pretty good now.  About a 20C delta from load to no load is normal, that means the difference between the chip and coolant is about 20C.  Normal.  For you to be operating at 70C+ is technically fine if not optimal.  I think now it's an issue of case airflow, you probably need more fans intaking, pressurizing the case with fresh cool air, plus GOOD push pull fans on the radiator.
 
You mentioned the VRAM copper plate, it is critical that there is paste between the plate and pump block and good contact.
 
Keep in mind my results are with a highly optimized setup, there are plenty of people with hybrids in the 60-75C range.  I've got the stock fans on the rad pushing, with Noctua A12x25 (pressure fans) pulling, and they are sealed to the radiator with tape, they run off my case's fan hub from the card's PWM signal, top mount exhaust.  Then I've got three other 120mm just intake fans running about 1500rpm. Front 280mm AIO with push pull, the inner pulling fans ramp up based on system temp, generally the CPU doesn't run hot for me since I'm gaming at 4K.  One 120mm rear exhaust fan that runs at about half speed.  Lian Li Lancool Mesh which is very free flowing.  So overall I'm making the inside of the case cool and pressurized, which means plenty of air through the top rad keeping coolant temps in the high 30's even under 400w+.
 
If there's a question about case air heat or flow, a quick test you can try is making the rad fans top intake push and removing any top filter.  System/ram/mos/vram temps will go up but GPU temp may go down.

Running Furmark a longer than 10 minutes has tilted the results more negatively again despite clock speeds and power draw maintaining. Is GPU2 and MEMs supposed to be this hot? Almost a new record with these temps nearing 90c with hot spot and junction back to 100c+. Definitely applied paste between the plate and pump block, no issues there.

I've toyed around the 3 bottom intake fans (Pure Wings 2) at 1500rpm and increasing CPU (Side intake) speed to 2000rpm, it shaved off a 1-3c idle and it was looking promising on load at 65c but the temps surrounding the die elevated and pushed the temperatures up to 75-77c. A bit strange in one stage the die was hotter and MEM/GPU2 were 10c+ cooler but now die is cooler but MEM/GPU2 are much hotter.

Yeah I guess that's kinda warm, you're a solid 15C over my temps all the way around, consistently.  What is your ambient air temp?  Is there ample space around the case where exhaust air can mix in with the room air and not get sucked back in, or is the PC on a desk in a corner sitting a pool of warm air?  What does the air coming out the top feel like - warm/hot and strong flow?  
 
As a side note, you might want to try sealing any rear case vents with clear packing tape, internally.  This will cause more case pressure.  
 
There is no direct/cross airflow on the backplate in your fan config, which might be hurting memory / ICX temps.
 
Push-pull rad fans can be worth as much as 7-9C vs. just push or pull, btw.

 
 
OK buddy.  Discussing temps, setup and troubleshooting of these cards is a perfectly valid use of this thread.
 
Maybe if you haven't managed to acquire one of these cards by now you shouldn't be messing around with a high powered Hybrid GPU?  Maybe stick to consoles?  Hmmmmm?  


[1] i'm not your buddy
[2] i know plenty about custom cooling of GPU's as well as CPU's
[3] never owned a console and the way the things are not going to happen either. hence your pathetic assumptions are wrong.. tard. 

kevinc313
Yeah I guess that's kinda warm, you're a solid 15C over my temps all the way around, consistently.  What is your ambient air temp?  Is there ample space around the case where exhaust air can mix in with the room air and not get sucked back in, or is the PC on a desk in a corner sitting a pool of warm air?  What does the air coming out the top feel like - warm/hot and strong flow?  
 
As a side note, you might want to try sealing any rear case vents with clear packing tape, internally.  This will cause more case pressure.  
 
There is no direct/cross airflow on the backplate in your fan config, which might be hurting memory / ICX temps.
 
Push-pull rad fans can be worth as much as 7-9C vs. just push or pull, btw.

Ambient is 22c, case has plenty of open space though it sits on the carpet floor, radiator sitting at the top exhaust feels hot-ish with a decent flow. I recently got the Dynamic 011 to address the card being hot (Acceptable hot? 75-80c) in the old Cougar Turret case prior to the hybrid but didn't improve much despite more fans, higher speeds that did have stronger pressure, nearly similar to now with 1-3c difference.
 
To the other guy, yeah it's taken up a page or two and I apologise to you and everyone, I was hoping to see if there could be a solution if at least investigate potential causes before sending the hardware back to EVGA.

Edit: If it ends here I want to give my thanks for the input to help identify problems and comb through solutions. I gained knowledge into what to look out for not known before posting here. :)

I imagine that many of us are not interested in the random multiple-page troubleshooting conversation or the witty back-biting. Please take it elsewhere so we can watch nothing happen in the delivery queues.
 
Thanks.

maldon
I imagine that many of us are not interested in the random multiple-page troubleshooting conversation or the witty back-biting. Please take it elsewhere so we can watch nothing happen in the delivery queues.
 
Thanks.

I find it odd that you use your first ever post in EVGA forums to say that in forum which is named:
EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 and 3080 HYBRID/HC