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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/16 16:10:16
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exiled350 How is everyone getting these mid/high 15k scores? +1500/+170 only netted me a 14.8k.
120% power on the LN2 bios switch and +1225/+135 just got a 15197 with MSI AB glass pannels in, lf you want to get serious you should be at least in open air config. benchmarking with back to back runs without cooling is just going to get lower every run with heat soak. I am jelly never got close to running a +170 clock on any 30 series card
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/16 17:37:26
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exiled350 How is everyone getting these mid/high 15k scores? +1500/+170 only netted me a 14.8k.
higher power limit. that score tells me that you are bouncing off the 480W power limit. +170 on the core would boost you to 2200MHz. there is zero chance in hell you are hitting that speed on the 480W BIOS that's on the card. i got 14.7k on +90 core and +1300 mem on the 480W BIOS. the card ends up running at 2100MHz. you card is probably hitting around 2100MHz on the core as well and just ignoring your target clock speed. you are getting 100 points higher than me because you memory clocks higher than mine. EDIT: here ya go: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63895369?14,758. +90/+1300 that's about as good as my card can do. if your card was truly doing +170/+1500, you'd be around 16,000 points
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/16 18:09:19
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Does anyone know what the current draw is from each of the 3 power connectors in operation? I have a second lower power card in my system (2 8pin ports) so I am trying to figure out which ports to double-up.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/16 18:55:30
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ninjaninja2001 Does anyone know what the current draw is from each of the 3 power connectors in operation? I have a second lower power card in my system (2 8pin ports) so I am trying to figure out which ports to double-up.
If we number the power plugs starting with the one closest to the EVBOT port 1, 2 and 3, this is what my Corsair AX1600i PSU shows: https://i.ibb.co/b1sKC9R/furmark.jpg Port 1 (closest to EVBOT port) uses the least, port 2 (middle) uses about the average of the other two, port 3 (closest to motherboard/bottom) uses the most. i ran this test several times, results were the same each time. good luck
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/16 22:16:39
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solomonshv, wow thank you for the excellent information! I appreciate your help so much!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 02:50:41
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Something else must be driving it down then. Core was around 2190-2200 with dips to 2150. Never went below 2100. Mem was rock solid. Power was never went over 470w though, die temp max 47c. So there appears to be plenty of headroom. This is on the ln2 bios. Is there a higher power limit bios other than the 1000w?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 06:10:46
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poto4321 What settings did you use to get your score?
COR + 246 , MEM + 1520 , CLASS TOOL, NVDD 1.2, FBVDD 1.4, MSVDD 1.2, LOAD LINE 1, DISABLE OCP . NV F 400
Thanks. Awesome score. What bios are you using, and what is your power limit set as? Also, what CPU are you using? And finally, what is your cooling set up (number and size of rads for example). Thanks for all the help would love to get a score above 15k, so looking for all the help I can get.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 08:30:36
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Has anyone quantifiably tested 3 independent PCIE power cables versus 2+1 cables? Does it really matter? with the 1000w PSU i got , EVGA only included 1 single PCIE cable and the rest were 1+1 cables
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 09:39:25
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redteamgo Has anyone quantifiably tested 3 independent PCIE power cables versus 2+1 cables? Does it really matter? with the 1000w PSU i got , EVGA only included 1 single PCIE cable and the rest were 1+1 cables
should not matter if you run 3 of them, I ordeedr extra cables that did have the Tag for looks and routing
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 09:48:08
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redteamgo Has anyone quantifiably tested 3 independent PCIE power cables versus 2+1 cables? Does it really matter? with the 1000w PSU i got , EVGA only included 1 single PCIE cable and the rest were 1+1 cables
should not matter if you run 3 of them, I ordeedr extra cables that did have the Tag for looks and routing
Thank you , but is running one 8 pin and one 2x8 pin is bad? versus each port having its own PCI cable?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 10:25:15
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poto4321 What settings did you use to get your score?
COR + 246 , MEM + 1520 , CLASS TOOL, NVDD 1.2, FBVDD 1.4, MSVDD 1.2, LOAD LINE 1, DISABLE OCP . NV F 400
Thanks. Awesome score. What bios are you using, and what is your power limit set as? Also, what CPU are you using? And finally, what is your cooling set up (number and size of rads for example). Thanks for all the help would love to get a score above 15k, so looking for all the help I can get.
I9 10980xe , Asus rampage VI encore , Corsair 1000d case , to 2x 480 in front push pull, 2x360 in top push pull. Xoc 1000 w rebar vbios and classified tool from Kingpin. 1600 w evga psu.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 11:10:38
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redteamgo Has anyone quantifiably tested 3 independent PCIE power cables versus 2+1 cables? Does it really matter? with the 1000w PSU i got , EVGA only included 1 single PCIE cable and the rest were 1+1 cables
should not matter if you run 3 of them, I ordeedr extra cables that did have the Tag for looks and routing
Thank you , but is running one 8 pin and one 2x8 pin is bad? versus each port having its own PCI cable?
I would not do it on this card for saftey reasons, If you plan on overcloking it at all, they would definatley get too hot, A 3080 if you dont overclock it is ok
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 14:00:52
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exiled350 Something else must be driving it down then. Core was around 2190-2200 with dips to 2150. Never went below 2100. Mem was rock solid. Power was never went over 470w though, die temp max 47c. So there appears to be plenty of headroom. This is on the ln2 bios. Is there a higher power limit bios other than the 1000w?
LN2 bios is 520W max. if you want the 1000W BIOS, you have to contact kingpin himself and ask for it. i think that voids your warranty though. also, the power readout on the GPU's display is not always correct. the GPU display on my kingpin showed power draw in the 430-470W range but my PSU (corsair AX1600i) showed surges as high as 540W. the APC battery my computer runs off of showed 700W+ power draw, much higher than what the same computer pulled with a 3090 strix. as for your situation, i need more info. what memory are you using? are you on XMP? what motherboard and CPU are you using? and OC or BPO on the CPU? did you try running something like msi afterburner and log the GPU usage during the bench? if everything is working correctly, your GPU will be pegged at around 99% usage throughout the bench
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/17 18:37:22
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SO,,, I Just threw up a simple 15179 in port royal with afterburner +136c/1275m 90% fans +129 PT on LN 2 switch. never got above 482w on OLED
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/18 08:54:43
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https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1133849 I don't get it... The card clearly doesn't suck, clocks aren't bouncing everywhere. GPUz showed max board power around 470w, and the three connectors looks to be pretty well balanced 140w 140w 120w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/18 13:23:40
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exiled350 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1133849 I don't get it... The card clearly doesn't suck, clocks aren't bouncing everywhere. GPUz showed max board power around 470w, and the three connectors looks to be pretty well balanced 140w 140w 120w.
exactly what i suspected. in my previous reply to you i asked about your memory. and now i'm pretty sure your memory is holding you back. that's really slow. safe to assume that the timings are looser than a wizard's hat?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/18 13:31:10
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System won't post higher than 2933 16-18-18-18 with four modules. Tried with two at xmp and got to 14999 but didn't see if I could push it any higher. It sucks, but I need the ram for virtualization. At least I have some closure now though.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/18 14:35:34
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exiled350 System won't post higher than 2933 16-18-18-18 with four modules. Tried with two at xmp and got to 14999 but didn't see if I could push it any higher. It sucks, but I need the ram for virtualization. At least I have some closure now though.
fortunately the faster RAM won't make a noticeable difference for anything outside of benchmarking. your card is one of the faster ones. you need not worry
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/21 11:14:28
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Any of the kingpin owners that have poor OC (100 core 800 mem) figure out if it's just silicon lottery or some bios issue or anything?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/21 11:58:07
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robertdinh Any of the kingpin owners that have poor OC (100 core 800 mem) figure out if it's just silicon lottery or some bios issue or anything?
Lottery. Mine won’t go past +90 on the core. And ever then it’s only stable for a few benchmark runs. For gaming, watching YouTube or just sitting at the desktop, any OC results in a guaranteed crash.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/21 14:55:36
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robertdinh Any of the kingpin owners that have poor OC (100 core 800 mem) figure out if it's just silicon lottery or some bios issue or anything?
Lottery. Mine won’t go past +90 on the core. And ever then it’s only stable for a few benchmark runs. For gaming, watching YouTube or just sitting at the desktop, any OC results in a guaranteed crash.
Still dripping with some denial, I'm about at the same place....I have been running stable 86 on the core, 1000 on the vram in all the games I play (ALL of the last 8 CoD games, GTA5, Battlefield V, Halo MCS and a couple of the newer titles) but yeah, any time I venture +100 or higher on the core, it's crash-city. Had a couple of full reboots, but most are just CTDs or screen freezes. I get the concept of silicon lottery, but the whole notion of the KPE series is that they ARE of the better lots and the fact that we paid more for them, specifically, was because of that fact. Shouldn't matter if we want to use it for benchmarking competitions or high-fps gaming; the cards should still perform to a standard. I can't help but feel that this 30x series of KPE cards was rushed and now we're seeing the results. I'm getting the impression that EVGA isn't really hesitant about RMA'ing cards but I was hoping I wouldn't have to go that route. I received the XOC bios from Vince, but I've been reluctant to install it since I can't even get stable clocks over +100 on the core. I'm curious what everyone else in the sub-par lottery group is doing....are you going the RMA route or are you just sitting on the card you have as-is?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/21 17:44:55
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robertdinh Any of the kingpin owners that have poor OC (100 core 800 mem) figure out if it's just silicon lottery or some bios issue or anything?
Lottery. Mine won’t go past +90 on the core. And ever then it’s only stable for a few benchmark runs. For gaming, watching YouTube or just sitting at the desktop, any OC results in a guaranteed crash.
Still dripping with some denial, I'm about at the same place....I have been running stable 86 on the core, 1000 on the vram in all the games I play (ALL of the last 8 CoD games, GTA5, Battlefield V, Halo MCS and a couple of the newer titles) but yeah, any time I venture +100 or higher on the core, it's crash-city. Had a couple of full reboots, but most are just CTDs or screen freezes.
I get the concept of silicon lottery, but the whole notion of the KPE series is that they ARE of the better lots and the fact that we paid more for them, specifically, was because of that fact. Shouldn't matter if we want to use it for benchmarking competitions or high-fps gaming; the cards should still perform to a standard. I can't help but feel that this 30x series of KPE cards was rushed and now we're seeing the results. I'm getting the impression that EVGA isn't really hesitant about RMA'ing cards but I was hoping I wouldn't have to go that route. I received the XOC bios from Vince, but I've been reluctant to install it since I can't even get stable clocks over +100 on the core. I'm curious what everyone else in the sub-par lottery group is doing....are you going the RMA route or are you just sitting on the card you have as-is?
the card is peaked and tuned in stock configurationfor a stable gaming overclock expecting 150+c/1200+mem is not going to be stable on any of these cards... period Your only from of stable overclocking for everyday gaming will come with time and tweaking voltages and everything the card has to offer. there is no need for the Kingpin 1000w bios to game at all _ its only to try to make records for enthusiasts , That is all !this card is like a top fuel dragster and that Bios is Nitromethane you can't use it as your grocery getter. +90clk/+850 and a +106 power target is probably the most anyone can get an be stable. The beautiful thing about this card is you can tweak everything and find the cards sweet spot. Learn the cards parts and then ...Get a 14875 Port royal at 335 watts , then you are accomplishing something. that's what you want to learn for gaming performance. I just found out tonight , its the power stages on my Motherboard that is holding down my getting in the top 100...trial and error, keep playing with it and be happy if you can beat a 3090 stock with much less power , your card will love you and your power company will love you and your cooling bill in the summertime will love you too.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/22 17:04:33
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I am pleased to report I got my RMA from EVGA. My original card had a loud pump buzz from day 1 and died about 30 days later. No mining.. just gaming (BF4 mostly). The replacement is silent. It seems to overclock very well. First pass was +84c/+1200m on LN2 using 3 individual PCI power connectors on a 1000w EVGA psu Front rad mounted push/pull with noctua NF-F12 replacement fans. Fans are connected to a fan controller running against CPU temp, which always runs hottest (i7 11700k lol). GPU temps never exceed 53C so far. Got one running for +1440m/+84c I'm happy with that. Not sure what the port royal comparison but my temps lead me to believe I have more room. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/64092993 Going to buy a splitter and try to move the fans to the card fan port. See if card controlled is better than CPU temp controlled. I also received my hydrocopper kit and I am excited to start picking up a water cooling rig.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/22 23:40:55
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robertdinh Any of the kingpin owners that have poor OC (100 core 800 mem) figure out if it's just silicon lottery or some bios issue or anything?
Its silicon lottery. It feels like the binning requirements for the 3090 kingpin were rather low.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/23 06:45:23
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Welp. The pump from the RMA'd card is buzzing again already . Fingers crossed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
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redteamgo Welp. The pump from the RMA'd card is buzzing again already . Fingers crossed.
I had the same issue with the AIO pump buzzing very loudly. 2 RMA's later I got a NEW in box Kingpin 3090 Hybrid and so far no buzzing after 2 months.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
2021/07/24 10:58:48
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redteamgo Welp. The pump from the RMA'd card is buzzing again already . Fingers crossed.
I had the same issue with the AIO pump buzzing very loudly. 2 RMA's later I got a NEW in box Kingpin 3090 Hybrid and so far no buzzing after 2 months.
Would you believe that after some more tilting it finally went away? Hopefully for good!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.)
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I kinda like it. A little rugged
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