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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/12 11:17:34 (permalink)
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Omg this KPE is cursed!
Px1 notified me that there is an firmware update for this card. Started the update but it almost instantly failed and now the oled display says "firmware update". The firmware update keeps crashing...

Don't know on this one, but I would probably power everything down, disconnect plug and let it completely discharge for 5 min, then reboot and see what happens.  If the same, then maybe do the same thing, but switch the BIOS on the KPE to one of the other 2 bios and see what happens.  Outside of that, if you still have an issue, then probably time to reach out to EVGA for some help.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/12 12:06:39 (permalink)
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Here is a good article which explains the performance drop off when you start having errors: https://itigic.com/gddr6x-memory-why-it-achieves-more-speed-and-overclock/
 
This sounds good in theory.

If true , someone please explain crashes at the same offsets once voltage and power are increased in PX1 or afterburner ?

Reminds of iPhone antenna-gate from a while back.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/12 12:12:21 (permalink)
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I got the Kingpin on Friday and tried to do some overlocks. I was able to do +140 and 1100+ mem with 100% power limit, but crashed on portal royal with the same offsets with 120% power limit, both overlock were done on the LN2 bios. So maybe it has something to do with the power limit? I don't think it is the issue with my PSU (1000w), so maybe adjusting the msvdd voltage will help? 
I have run into the exact same thing. I made an excel spreadsheet of it through trial and error. for me , the threshold is 100/1300 on any stock bios. It seems the power and voltage dont matter

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/12 12:17:35 (permalink)
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Omg this KPE is cursed!
Px1 notified me that there is an firmware update for this card. Started the update but it almost instantly failed and now the oled display says "firmware update". The firmware update keeps crashing...

Don't know on this one, but I would probably power everything down, disconnect plug and let it completely discharge for 5 min, then reboot and see what happens.  If the same, then maybe do the same thing, but switch the BIOS on the KPE to one of the other 2 bios and see what happens.  Outside of that, if you still have an issue, then probably time to reach out to EVGA for some help.

Thanks but it didn't work :(

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/12 20:42:07 (permalink)
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I RMA a Kingpin and told them right up front it had the Xoc 1000 w Vbios on it, they said thats not a problem put AIO back on and they sent another. They said what they would not RMA was a card with damage ! [Should be noted that this will void your warranty]. I did not think they would RMA a card with the XOC vbios, but they did.


 
Telehog, I am curious, why did you end up RMA your card?  Did they send you a refurbished back, or a new one?  I ended up RMA my card because it was not meeting specs, and I am being sent a refurbished card (wonder if I will get your card since they likely refurbished it and timing would be about right).  Curious if you got a refurbished card and if you are happy with it.  
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 09:30:02 (permalink)
Is there anyone here that converted their hybrid over to a hydro copper? I'm interested in purchasing the pump off of you. I have a 3080 Ti Hybrid and am interested in changing seeing if I can swap the 360mm radiator to a 240mm one. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 09:38:43 (permalink)
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Is there anyone here that converted their hybrid over to a hydro copper? I'm interested in purchasing the pump off of you. I have a 3080 Ti Hybrid and am interested in changing seeing if I can swap the 360mm radiator to a 240mm one. 


They'll probably want to hold on to it in the event they have to RMA the Card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 09:42:43 (permalink)
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Is there anyone here that converted their hybrid over to a hydro copper? I'm interested in purchasing the pump off of you. I have a 3080 Ti Hybrid and am interested in changing seeing if I can swap the 360mm radiator to a 240mm one. 


They'll probably want to hold on to it in the event they have to RMA the Card.




Well, doesn't hurt to ask. I imagine they can just warranty it like a KINGPIN Hydrocopper anyways? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 09:45:18 (permalink)
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Is there anyone here that converted their hybrid over to a hydro copper? I'm interested in purchasing the pump off of you. I have a 3080 Ti Hybrid and am interested in changing seeing if I can swap the 360mm radiator to a 240mm one. 


They'll probably want to hold on to it in the event they have to RMA the Card.




Well, doesn't hurt to ask. I imagine they can just warranty it like a KINGPIN Hydrocopper anyways? 




I believe it needs to be original configuration, similar to replacing Air Cooler for Block. I might be wrong, but that was my understanding. And no, never hurts to ask.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 13:07:04 (permalink)
Am I missing the obvious or is the Precision X SW supposed to have the "OLED MONITORING DISPLAY" like so, cause I can't figure it out?
https://www.evga.com/articles/01454/kingpin-3090/

 
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 13:13:04 (permalink)
In px1, there are little arrows on the bottom left and right of the UI. Click the arrow you’ll find it in there.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/13 14:21:08 (permalink)
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In px1, there are little arrows on the bottom left and right of the UI. Click the arrow you’ll find it in there.




I see, many thanks 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/15 16:36:31 (permalink)
Did anyone use the stock fans, if so what was the RPM
I put on the Artic p12 and they could run at 100% and hardley hear them , then i installed the Noctua AF12 and they will move more air at 2k , I was just wondering if the stock fans can crank up and move more air though the Rad than these.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/15 19:10:00 (permalink)
the pump on my hybrid kingpin is loud AF. there are no bubble noises, i aired it out before mounting and the rad is mounted above the GPU. it sounds like an 18W DDC pump going full tilt. it's so bad that i can't work at this computer. 
 
is there anything i can do about this that doesn't involve an RMA? i'd love to put a waterblock on it and run a custom loop but EVGA is selling the blocks to people who don't even own kingpin cards and they're all ending up on fleabay. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/15 20:56:31 (permalink)
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I RMA a Kingpin and told them right up front it had the Xoc 1000 w Vbios on it, they said thats not a problem put AIO back on and they sent another. They said what they would not RMA was a card with damage ! [Should be noted that this will void your warranty]. I did not think they would RMA a card with the XOC vbios, but they did.


 
Telehog, I am curious, why did you end up RMA your card?  Did they send you a refurbished back, or a new one?  I ended up RMA my card because it was not meeting specs, and I am being sent a refurbished card (wonder if I will get your card since they likely refurbished it and timing would be about right).  Curious if you got a refurbished card and if you are happy with it.  

Put a HC waterblock on it and it never worked again. THe RMA refurb card was a much better card. 1st Kingpin best score in PR was 15361, RMA refurb Kingpin over 16000  in PR. With HC block on. Real happy with the RMA card.  http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1124179
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/15 23:08:16 (permalink)
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I RMA a Kingpin and told them right up front it had the Xoc 1000 w Vbios on it, they said thats not a problem put AIO back on and they sent another. They said what they would not RMA was a card with damage ! [Should be noted that this will void your warranty]. I did not think they would RMA a card with the XOC vbios, but they did.


 
Telehog, I am curious, why did you end up RMA your card?  Did they send you a refurbished back, or a new one?  I ended up RMA my card because it was not meeting specs, and I am being sent a refurbished card (wonder if I will get your card since they likely refurbished it and timing would be about right).  Curious if you got a refurbished card and if you are happy with it.  

Put a HC waterblock on it and it never worked again. THe RMA refurb card was a much better card. 1st Kingpin best score in PR was 15361, RMA refurb Kingpin over 16000  in PR. With HC block on. Real happy with the RMA card.  http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1124179


15361?   Was that before you put it on the water loop?  I can barely get into 14000 and even if I do, the damn thing locks up or crashes most of the time.  Sounds like you got a friggin awesome golden sample card....
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/15 23:18:58 (permalink)
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15361?   Was that before you put it on the water loop?  I can barely get into 14000 and even if I do, the damn thing locks up or crashes most of the time.  Sounds like you got a friggin awesome golden sample card....



my 3090 strix can do 14.5k on air all day https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1123512
might just be that your card is a dud. 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/15 23:30:41 (permalink)
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15361?   Was that before you put it on the water loop?  I can barely get into 14000 and even if I do, the damn thing locks up or crashes most of the time.  Sounds like you got a friggin awesome golden sample card....



my 3090 strix can do 14.5k on air all day https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1123512
might just be that your card is a dud. 
 


Yeah, I think I'm in denial that something is seriously not right about this card.  I'm having a bunch of issues that all seem centered around it, not just poor benchmarks and games crashing.  I am trying to decide how to approach a possible RMA.  I have the XOC bios ready to go, but I haven't loaded it because I can't even get the damn thing to remain stable on a vanilla o/c.  I have 2 monitors and one is absolutely NOTHING but monitoring apps for the system.  The fly in the ointment, so to speak, is that when there are game crashes and the occasional reboot (yeah, could be bad PSU, too), there is NOTHING over any limit....voltage, temp, etc.   I'm no newbie to building systems and I have a decent amount of experience with overclocking (a lot of things I still don't understand, too) and I have never had this much trouble.  I was running a 2080ti FTW3 Ultra until I got the KPE and it was o/c and ran flawlessly.  If I do get to RMA this card, I'll be using it again for a while. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 04:43:06 (permalink)
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the pump on my hybrid kingpin is loud AF. there are no bubble noises, i aired it out before mounting and the rad is mounted above the GPU. it sounds like an 18W DDC pump going full tilt. it's so bad that i can't work at this computer. 
 
is there anything i can do about this that doesn't involve an RMA? i'd love to put a waterblock on it and run a custom loop but EVGA is selling the blocks to people who don't even own kingpin cards and they're all ending up on fleabay. 


Should be silent after the bubbles clear, I think you have a bad pump. Short of EVGA block que, RMA is about it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 06:09:07 (permalink)
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the pump on my hybrid kingpin is loud AF. there are no bubble noises, i aired it out before mounting and the rad is mounted above the GPU. it sounds like an 18W DDC pump going full tilt. it's so bad that i can't work at this computer. 
 
is there anything i can do about this that doesn't involve an RMA? i'd love to put a waterblock on it and run a custom loop but EVGA is selling the blocks to people who don't even own kingpin cards and they're all ending up on fleabay. 


Should be silent after the bubbles clear, I think you have a bad pump. Short of EVGA block que, RMA is about it
this is good to know thanks. My pump was very loud from day 1, the loudest part in my rig by far. Til it died… RMA is on the way though!

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 07:16:36 (permalink)
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I RMA a Kingpin and told them right up front it had the Xoc 1000 w Vbios on it, they said thats not a problem put AIO back on and they sent another. They said what they would not RMA was a card with damage ! [Should be noted that this will void your warranty]. I did not think they would RMA a card with the XOC vbios, but they did.


 
Telehog, I am curious, why did you end up RMA your card?  Did they send you a refurbished back, or a new one?  I ended up RMA my card because it was not meeting specs, and I am being sent a refurbished card (wonder if I will get your card since they likely refurbished it and timing would be about right).  Curious if you got a refurbished card and if you are happy with it.  

Put a HC waterblock on it and it never worked again. THe RMA refurb card was a much better card. 1st Kingpin best score in PR was 15361, RMA refurb Kingpin over 16000  in PR. With HC block on. Real happy with the RMA card.  http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1124179


15361?   Was that before you put it on the water loop?  I can barely get into 14000 and even if I do, the damn thing locks up or crashes most of the time.  Sounds like you got a friggin awesome golden sample card....
 


The 15361 score was with The 1st Kingpin with the AIO , when I put waterblock on it did nothing and RMA and got refurb card that does over 16000 with waterblock, refurb card with AIO before I put block on score over 15600  http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1122575 , I just tested card to make sure it was ok before putting block on.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 09:41:46 (permalink)
What settings did you use to get your score?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 13:16:04 (permalink)
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What settings did you use to get your score?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 14:39:45 (permalink)
I got a Bios and Classified tool from Vince , can you point me in the right direction to loading the bios?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 14:39:47 (permalink)
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What settings did you use to get your score?

COR + 246 , MEM + 1520 , CLASS  TOOL, NVDD 1.2, FBVDD 1.4, MSVDD 1.2, LOAD LINE 1, DISABLE OCP . NV F 400


Sweet mother of God.  That's insane.... Even on a custom loop, that's insane.  Very nice.

So, if you don't mind humoring me a little, is there an order you went through to adjust your settings in Classified?  IE: up NVDD .05----->test----->crash-----up MSVDD .05----->test  (so on and so forth)   I see posts that say "you just need to up your MSVDD to even things out...."  or "just set your LLC to 2 or 3" and even "don't change the FBVDD, it isn't necessary....".  I get that the whole o/c thing is a trial and error, and honestly, I have no problem with that whatsoever, I just can't seem to nail down the order of the steps to take. 

One other question for you, and anyone else here who wants to answer:  Do you play any games with those clocks or is your focus on benchmarks?  That's not sarcastic or flippant; I'm legit curious...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 15:07:21 (permalink)
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What settings did you use to get your score?

COR + 246 , MEM + 1520 , CLASS  TOOL, NVDD 1.2, FBVDD 1.4, MSVDD 1.2, LOAD LINE 1, DISABLE OCP . NV F 400


Sweet mother of God.  That's insane.... Even on a custom loop, that's insane.  Very nice.

So, if you don't mind humoring me a little, is there an order you went through to adjust your settings in Classified?  IE: up NVDD .05----->test----->crash-----up MSVDD .05----->test  (so on and so forth)   I see posts that say "you just need to up your MSVDD to even things out...."  or "just set your LLC to 2 or 3" and even "don't change the FBVDD, it isn't necessary....".  I get that the whole o/c thing is a trial and error, and honestly, I have no problem with that whatsoever, I just can't seem to nail down the order of the steps to take. 

One other question for you, and anyone else here who wants to answer:  Do you play any games with those clocks or is your focus on benchmarks?  That's not sarcastic or flippant; I'm legit curious...


Change one thing at a time ! Don't game with any OC, Just stock setting. OC for fun and benchmarks !
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 15:19:01 (permalink)
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I got a Bios and Classified tool from Vince , can you point me in the right direction to loading the bios?


I would like to, but if its not done right you can brick a  Gpu.  You need this tool to open and flash vbios and lots of place that show how to do it. I am not the one. 
NVIDIA NVFlash 5.692.0
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 15:52:26 (permalink)
How is everyone getting these mid/high 15k scores? +1500/+170 only netted me a 14.8k.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/07/16 16:08:30 (permalink)
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What settings did you use to get your score?

COR + 246 , MEM + 1520 , CLASS  TOOL, NVDD 1.2, FBVDD 1.4, MSVDD 1.2, LOAD LINE 1, DISABLE OCP . NV F 400


Sweet mother of God.  That's insane.... Even on a custom loop, that's insane.  Very nice.

So, if you don't mind humoring me a little, is there an order you went through to adjust your settings in Classified?  IE: up NVDD .05----->test----->crash-----up MSVDD .05----->test  (so on and so forth)   I see posts that say "you just need to up your MSVDD to even things out...."  or "just set your LLC to 2 or 3" and even "don't change the FBVDD, it isn't necessary....".  I get that the whole o/c thing is a trial and error, and honestly, I have no problem with that whatsoever, I just can't seem to nail down the order of the steps to take. 

One other question for you, and anyone else here who wants to answer:  Do you play any games with those clocks or is your focus on benchmarks?  That's not sarcastic or flippant; I'm legit curious...


Change one thing at a time ! Don't game with any OC, Just stock setting. OC for fun and benchmarks !


Right on, I appreciate the response.  I'll keep on pluggin at it...
 
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