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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 18:12:16 (permalink)
Got my 3090 FTW3 HydroCopper installed today. The “OC” BIOS by default on these cards is the 500W XOC BIOS. I hit 500W no problem and the PCI-E slot never went above 76W (averaged in the upper 60s, low 70s). Guessing these are probably PCBs from the same program recently opened up by EVGA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 18:13:49 (permalink)
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Got my 3090 FTW3 HydroCopper installed today. The “OC” BIOS by default on these cards is the 500W XOC BIOS. I hit 500W no problem and the PCI-E slot never went above 76W (averaged in the upper 60s, low 70s). Guessing these are probably PCBs from the same program recently opened up by EVGA.

Good to hear!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 19:06:39 (permalink)
Hey arestavo! XC3 bios works! PCIE power doesn't even hit 60 watts and I can finally stay steady over 2000mhz in PR.
 
I noticed 1st 8 pin is drawing significantly less than the 2nd 8 pin and the 3rd is completely missing(which I expected).
 
What I noticed was MVDDC pulling way more power than usual(typically around 90w), but with the XC3 bios it went over 200w. Is this expected? Incorrect power reading? Nothing I should worry about I hope.
 
And thankfully I can control the rad fans through my card just fine with afterburner
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 19:53:32 (permalink)
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Cards power limited on the normal and XOC VBIOS will be power limited on the Kingpin 520W ln2 VBIOS. People using the 1000W unlocked warranty voiding Kingpin VBIOS are brave and or have money to burn, and shouldn't post those results if they want to keep their warranty.


Stop scaring people if you lack the almonds to use the 1k bios... I have been using it since I put on the optimus cooler since December. 650 watts is my max draw. This card is a beast when water cooled. All these posts and you people are still blaming power balancing. ITS A HEAT ISSUE!!! THE FANS JUST CANT HANDLE THE HEAT AND A BAD PASTE JOB!!!!



Well it seems like kp1000w bios does allow more power as many have reported, but it does not solve the load balance issue where pcie slot draws 80w at 420~450w board power. So at 520W+ some ppl have reported 90~95w pcie slot power draw, on the 12v only, not counting 3.3v (not too sure on this one). None of the x570 motherboard have that extra pcie or molex connector for extra pcie slot power. If i had a board that have extra pcie or molex connector then I might give it a try
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 20:20:33 (permalink)
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Hey arestavo! XC3 bios works! PCIE power doesn't even hit 60 watts and I can finally stay steady over 2000mhz in PR.
 
I noticed 1st 8 pin is drawing significantly less than the 2nd 8 pin and the 3rd is completely missing(which I expected).
 
What I noticed was MVDDC pulling way more power than usual(typically around 90w), but with the XC3 bios it went over 200w. Is this expected? Incorrect power reading? Nothing I should worry about I hope.
 
And thankfully I can control the rad fans through my card just fine with afterburner


Yes, voltage and power readings can be quite off since it's not an XC3 board. I've been running it since November without issues, even through 100 hours of Cyberpunk 2077.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 20:25:21 (permalink)
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Hey arestavo! XC3 bios works! PCIE power doesn't even hit 60 watts and I can finally stay steady over 2000mhz in PR.
 
I noticed 1st 8 pin is drawing significantly less than the 2nd 8 pin and the 3rd is completely missing(which I expected).
 
What I noticed was MVDDC pulling way more power than usual(typically around 90w), but with the XC3 bios it went over 200w. Is this expected? Incorrect power reading? Nothing I should worry about I hope.
 
And thankfully I can control the rad fans through my card just fine with afterburner


Yes, voltage and power readings can be quite off since it's not an XC3 board. I've been running it since November without issues, even through 100 hours of Cyberpunk 2077.


Good to hear! Yeah as long as the 3rd 8-pin isn't pulling over 300w, don't really care. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 21:02:54 (permalink)
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Are you guys using the standard XC3 Ultra Bios for FTW3 Ultra's converted to Hybrid's? Or is there an XC3 Ultra Hybrid Bios? 
 
Not seeing a XC3 Ultra Hybrid option here: techpowerup.com/vgabios/?manufacturer=EVGA&model=RTX+3090

Air cooled XC3 Ultra version is what I've been using for months on my Hybrid kitted 3090 FTW3 Ultra, the techpowerup one.

Which XC3 Ultra version? Techpowerup has two versions, 94.02.26.48.78 and 94.02.26.40.B2
post edited by JaxMacFL - 2021/03/11 21:05:05

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 21:05:17 (permalink)
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Are you guys using the standard XC3 Ultra Bios for FTW3 Ultra's converted to Hybrid's? Or is there an XC3 Ultra Hybrid Bios? 

Not seeing a XC3 Ultra Hybrid option here: techpowerup.com/vgabios/?manufacturer=EVGA&model=RTX+3090

Air cooled XC3 Ultra version is what I've been using for months on my Hybrid kitted 3090 FTW3 Ultra, the techpowerup one.

Which XC3 Ultra version? Techpowerup has two versions, 94.02.26.48.78 and 94.02.26.40.B2


Post 3215 on this page - looks like B2, because there weren't any others when I flashed it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 21:11:39 (permalink)
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Are you guys using the standard XC3 Ultra Bios for FTW3 Ultra's converted to Hybrid's? Or is there an XC3 Ultra Hybrid Bios? 

Not seeing a XC3 Ultra Hybrid option here: techpowerup.com/vgabios/?manufacturer=EVGA&model=RTX+3090

Air cooled XC3 Ultra version is what I've been using for months on my Hybrid kitted 3090 FTW3 Ultra, the techpowerup one.

Which XC3 Ultra version? Techpowerup has two versions, 94.02.26.48.78 and 94.02.26.40.B2


Post 3215 on this page - looks like B2, because there weren't any others when I flashed it.


Thx Mate, nice guide too. 👍

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/11 21:38:59 (permalink)
I have a 3090 FTW3 Hydro Copper arriving on Friday and I'd like to know which OC bios to use as I am not seeing a specific one for the HC version. Thanks
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 01:22:49 (permalink)
I managed to flash XC3 BIOS and it seems that it's working as it should.

I'll post results between stock Vs XOC be XC3 BIOSes to see differences so that everyone can see definitely and finally whether it's worth it or not. Flashed on OC side so stock is still stock BIOS from FTW3 Ultra.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 04:02:33 (permalink)
trying to get a pic to work.
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 04:20:20 (permalink)
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trying to get a pic to work.
 





Upload to a sever, like imgur and link here it will work.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 05:09:37 (permalink)
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Hi @EVGA_JacobF, will this expand later on to cover the 3090 Hybrid Ultras as well? Just wondering if us 3090 Hybrid Ultra owners will eventually be covered. My guess it will take some time to get the final product out with the fixes + hybrid not being as popular as the regular cards doesn’t help either. Thanks.



It will expanding to include all 3090 "FTW3" cards. HYBRID, HC, etc.


When or even will the RMA be possible in EU, im from Germany.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 06:41:15 (permalink)
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Hi @EVGA_JacobF, will this expand later on to cover the 3090 Hybrid Ultras as well? Just wondering if us 3090 Hybrid Ultra owners will eventually be covered. My guess it will take some time to get the final product out with the fixes + hybrid not being as popular as the regular cards doesn’t help either. Thanks.



It will expanding to include all 3090 "FTW3" cards. HYBRID, HC, etc.


When or even will the RMA be possible in EU, im from Germany.


I have the same question but im from Brazil.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 06:53:03 (permalink)
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I have a 3090 FTW3 Hydro Copper arriving on Friday and I'd like to know which OC bios to use as I am not seeing a specific one for the HC version. Thanks

My 3090 FTW3 HC came with the 450W BIOS for the “Normal” option and the 500W XOC BIOS for the “OC” option when toggling the BIOS switch.

Pretty sure these PCBs are from the same exchange program EVGA recently opened that are more likely to hit their power limits.

Mine hits 500W sustained no problem on the XOC BIOS it came with, and peaks towards 515-520W. PCI-E slot draw never surpassed 76W and averaged in the upper 60W and low 70W range.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 06:53:41 (permalink)
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Hi @EVGA_JacobF, will this expand later on to cover the 3090 Hybrid Ultras as well? Just wondering if us 3090 Hybrid Ultra owners will eventually be covered. My guess it will take some time to get the final product out with the fixes + hybrid not being as popular as the regular cards doesn’t help either. Thanks.



It will expanding to include all 3090 "FTW3" cards. HYBRID, HC, etc.


When or even will the RMA be possible in EU, im from Germany.




Good question. I also want to know that.

@esschallert, you might want to also get in Contact with EVGA Germany on Facebook.

Anita is a really nice Employee to talk to. She helped me out with my last RMA


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 09:20:25 (permalink)
Just got off the phone with Tech Support and no one knows anything, One thing that was meaningful is he stated the new cards used in the exchange program have a hardware revision.
 
Does any one know where I could get instructions for mounting the original cooler I have the hybrid installed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 09:38:15 (permalink)
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Hi @EVGA_JacobF, will this expand later on to cover the 3090 Hybrid Ultras as well? Just wondering if us 3090 Hybrid Ultra owners will eventually be covered. My guess it will take some time to get the final product out with the fixes + hybrid not being as popular as the regular cards doesn’t help either. Thanks.



It will expanding to include all 3090 "FTW3" cards. HYBRID, HC, etc.


When or even will the RMA be possible in EU, im from Germany.




Good question. I also want to know that.

@esschallert, you might want to also get in Contact with EVGA Germany on Facebook.

Anita is a really nice Employee to talk to. She helped me out with my last RMA


Yeah will contact them and ask them if they know something. One problem is though I already have both Alphacool waterblocks installed, for putting the standard cooler on there I would need putty and pads, that would be the main problem I think.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 11:02:57 (permalink)
Just got a 3090 Hybrid the other day from the queue. Flashed the XOC bios on the OC switch as it had the original bios on it. Card barely hit 440 watts. On top of it looks like I got a dud of an overclocker as anything higher then 1200 on the memory side crashes or reboots the machine. Of course since it's a Hybrid I'm going to have to wait until they open this up to those as well.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 11:42:44 (permalink)
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Hi @EVGA_JacobF, will this expand later on to cover the 3090 Hybrid Ultras as well? Just wondering if us 3090 Hybrid Ultra owners will eventually be covered. My guess it will take some time to get the final product out with the fixes + hybrid not being as popular as the regular cards doesn’t help either. Thanks.



It will expanding to include all 3090 "FTW3" cards. HYBRID, HC, etc.


When or even will the RMA be possible in EU, im from Germany.




Good question. I also want to know that.

@esschallert, you might want to also get in Contact with EVGA Germany on Facebook.

Anita is a really nice Employee to talk to. She helped me out with my last RMA


Yeah will contact them and ask them if they know something. One problem is though I already have both Alphacool waterblocks installed, for putting the standard cooler on there I would need putty and pads, that would be the main problem I think.





You just need "some" thermal compound.


Take this and squish it between the Ram, VRM and Mosfets:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01E3WXWIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use this to dissipate heat from the VRM´s on the Bykski Waterblock (i bridge almost 1cm of Gap with this stuff)


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 12:28:20 (permalink)
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Just got a 3090 Hybrid the other day from the queue. Flashed the XOC bios on the OC switch as it had the original bios on it. Card barely hit 440 watts. On top of it looks like I got a dud of an overclocker as anything higher then 1200 on the memory side crashes or reboots the machine. Of course since it's a Hybrid I'm going to have to wait until they open this up to those as well.


Exact same here re 440W on a 3090 Hybrid.
 
Very disappointed EVGA shipped out cards with the pin power balancing issue at the same time they are taking returns for this (now) known problem.
 
I would rather have waited in the queue for a week or two longer and had an updated card rather than having to do an RMA. Pointless waste of everyone's time... 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 14:49:02 (permalink)
Has anyone that talked to evga confimed that people who installed a waterblock need to complete reassemble the block to working order? I have the original pads which are in good order, I'm more concerned with the hassle and added expense of both shipping and new putty. If not it really isn't cool that Evga released faulty hardware and is putting the expense of the fix on the customer.

I'd much rather just slap the original cooler back on the unit with the proper hardware and send it on its way since evga should be tearing them down to check them in the rma process anyways.

Also, no cross shipping at all? Anyone get a card back from this yet?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 16:10:21 (permalink)
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Has anyone that talked to evga confimed that people who installed a waterblock need to complete reassemble the block to working order? I have the original pads which are in good order, I'm more concerned with the hassle and added expense of both shipping and new putty. If not it really isn't cool that Evga released faulty hardware and is putting the expense of the fix on the customer.

I'd much rather just slap the original cooler back on the unit with the proper hardware and send it on its way since evga should be tearing them down to check them in the rma process anyways.

Also, no cross shipping at all? Anyone get a card back from this yet?



Yes, I had an Optimus block on my FTW.  In my email chain with the rep when I sent my data to the 3090evga.com account; They said they need it back to stock form with thermal pads replaced and paste applied so they can do internal testing on the cards we send.   He mentioned to keep the original box, if i sent the card back in that box i would not get it back... Just a blank RMA box with a new card in it.  
 
It took me 12hrs to get an RMA number but i was able to **** the next morning. The card was delivered to EVGA today but stated it could take 1-3 days before the new card is sent.   
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 16:16:25 (permalink)
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Has anyone that talked to evga confimed that people who installed a waterblock need to complete reassemble the block to working order? I have the original pads which are in good order, I'm more concerned with the hassle and added expense of both shipping and new putty. If not it really isn't cool that Evga released faulty hardware and is putting the expense of the fix on the customer.

I'd much rather just slap the original cooler back on the unit with the proper hardware and send it on its way since evga should be tearing them down to check them in the rma process anyways.

Also, no cross shipping at all? Anyone get a card back from this yet?



Yes, I had an Optimus block on my FTW.  In my email chain with the rep when I sent my data to the 3090evga.com account; They said they need it back to stock form with thermal pads replaced and paste applied so they can do internal testing on the cards we send.   He mentioned to keep the original box, if i sent the card back in that box i would not get it back... Just a blank RMA box with a new card in it.  
 
It took me 12hrs to get an RMA number but i was able to **** the next morning. The card was delivered to EVGA today but stated it could take 1-3 days before the new card is sent.   


Did you just use thermal pads when putting it back on the aircooler?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 16:31:02 (permalink)
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Has anyone that talked to evga confimed that people who installed a waterblock need to complete reassemble the block to working order? I have the original pads which are in good order, I'm more concerned with the hassle and added expense of both shipping and new putty. If not it really isn't cool that Evga released faulty hardware and is putting the expense of the fix on the customer.

I'd much rather just slap the original cooler back on the unit with the proper hardware and send it on its way since evga should be tearing them down to check them in the rma process anyways.

Also, no cross shipping at all? Anyone get a card back from this yet?



Yes, I had an Optimus block on my FTW.  In my email chain with the rep when I sent my data to the 3090evga.com account; They said they need it back to stock form with thermal pads replaced and paste applied so they can do internal testing on the cards we send.   He mentioned to keep the original box, if i sent the card back in that box i would not get it back... Just a blank RMA box with a new card in it.  
 
It took me 12hrs to get an RMA number but i was able to **** the next morning. The card was delivered to EVGA today but stated it could take 1-3 days before the new card is sent.   


Did you just use thermal pads when putting it back on the aircooler?

I just finish mine and I have to use 100mm thermal pads for the memory and I apply new thermal paste to the GPU this all BS and it's costing me $71 for overnight delivery this $2000 video card  is pain in my (removed) .
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 17:03:08 (permalink)
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Did you just use thermal pads when putting it back on the aircooler?



Pads on vrm/memory etc (front/back) except the actual GPU.  Pasted that.    

Anyone that has tore one of these down knows the stock pads are pretty bad.  Had to use reserve pads.   
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 17:11:03 (permalink)
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Has anyone that talked to evga confimed that people who installed a waterblock need to complete reassemble the block to working order? I have the original pads which are in good order, I'm more concerned with the hassle and added expense of both shipping and new putty. If not it really isn't cool that Evga released faulty hardware and is putting the expense of the fix on the customer.

I'd much rather just slap the original cooler back on the unit with the proper hardware and send it on its way since evga should be tearing them down to check them in the rma process anyways.

Also, no cross shipping at all? Anyone get a card back from this yet?



Yes, I had an Optimus block on my FTW.  In my email chain with the rep when I sent my data to the 3090evga.com account; They said they need it back to stock form with thermal pads replaced and paste applied so they can do internal testing on the cards we send.   He mentioned to keep the original box, if i sent the card back in that box i would not get it back... Just a blank RMA box with a new card in it.  
 
It took me 12hrs to get an RMA number but i was able to **** the next morning. The card was delivered to EVGA today but stated it could take 1-3 days before the new card is sent.   


Got recommendations on replacement pads/putty then?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 18:43:53 (permalink)
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Got recommendations on replacement pads/putty then?



Arctics are always good for stuff like this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UYTU6Z6/
 
There were clones (probably from the same factory) that were half the price and more than 50% larger pad size samples (200mm * 200mm was the same price as the Arctic 145mm * 145mm) but I guess everyone found out and now of course they're out of stock.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/12 23:32:57 (permalink)
Just set up the FTW3 Hydro Copper.  It is by far the worst chip I've ever seen.  Can barely get it stable at 2100MHz even with relatively cool temps.  And that's with liquid metal TIM.  On the plus side....it can actually pull 500W of power to do all of nothing.

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