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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 18:42:52
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Notchy44
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/
Great info about the bios he is talking about
Was unaware of this one.
Back to my point - why are you so bothered? There (obviously) are many here who are into the topic of the 1000w bios - and some of us (myself) had no idea of the other thread.
Why be so hostile over this? I just don't get it.
my point is he has a theory about the bios not working due to heat so water blocking it and throwing a 1000w bios that has 0 protection for the card isnt the best "fix" to be tossing around. Never said dont do what you want to a card. But dont feed people miss information about the 500w bios in a tread made to discuss the results of the 500w bios.
Whoa, I never fed misinformation; so, I'm not clear why you say such. Why do you give a (Deleted for Foul Language) if someone wants to run the 1000w bios? We're grown-ups and know the risk involved.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 18:43:47
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Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/
Great info about the bios he is talking about
Was unaware of this one.
Back to my point - why are you so bothered? There (obviously) are many here who are into the topic of the 1000w bios - and some of us (myself) had no idea of the other thread.
Why be so hostile over this? I just don't get it.
my point is he has a theory about the bios not working due to heat so water blocking it and throwing a 1000w bios that has 0 protection for the card isnt the best "fix" to be tossing around. Never said dont do what you want to a card. But dont feed people miss information about the 500w bios in a tread made to discuss the results of the 500w bios.
Did you not read the part that I said that I gained 600 points just by adding the water block on the 500 watt bios???? And went to the 1k just to push it further....
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 18:44:50
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cbaty
Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/
Great info about the bios he is talking about
Was unaware of this one.
Back to my point - why are you so bothered? There (obviously) are many here who are into the topic of the 1000w bios - and some of us (myself) had no idea of the other thread.
Why be so hostile over this? I just don't get it.
my point is he has a theory about the bios not working due to heat so water blocking it and throwing a 1000w bios that has 0 protection for the card isnt the best "fix" to be tossing around. Never said dont do what you want to a card. But dont feed people miss information about the 500w bios in a tread made to discuss the results of the 500w bios.
Whoa, I never fed misinformation; so, I'm not clear why you say such.
Why do you give a (Deleted for Foul Language) if someone wants to run the 1000w bios? We're grown-ups and know the risk involved.
Wasnt talking about you my dude, talking about God503 post about his fix to the 500w bios problem.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 18:47:39
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Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/
Great info about the bios he is talking about
Was unaware of this one.
Back to my point - why are you so bothered? There (obviously) are many here who are into the topic of the 1000w bios - and some of us (myself) had no idea of the other thread.
Why be so hostile over this? I just don't get it.
my point is he has a theory about the bios not working due to heat so water blocking it and throwing a 1000w bios that has 0 protection for the card isnt the best "fix" to be tossing around. Never said dont do what you want to a card. But dont feed people miss information about the 500w bios in a tread made to discuss the results of the 500w bios.
Whoa, I never fed misinformation; so, I'm not clear why you say such.
Why do you give a (Deleted for Foul Language) if someone wants to run the 1000w bios? We're grown-ups and know the risk involved.
Wasnt talking about you my dude, talking about God503 post about his fix to the 500w bios problem.
NEVER claimed I had a fix for the 500 watt. I did claim that wasn't the issue all along. My point was and still is heat dissipation. You really don't read the posts do you...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 18:49:14
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god503
Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/
Great info about the bios he is talking about
Was unaware of this one.
Back to my point - why are you so bothered? There (obviously) are many here who are into the topic of the 1000w bios - and some of us (myself) had no idea of the other thread.
Why be so hostile over this? I just don't get it.
my point is he has a theory about the bios not working due to heat so water blocking it and throwing a 1000w bios that has 0 protection for the card isnt the best "fix" to be tossing around. Never said dont do what you want to a card. But dont feed people miss information about the 500w bios in a tread made to discuss the results of the 500w bios.
Whoa, I never fed misinformation; so, I'm not clear why you say such.
Why do you give a (Deleted for Foul Language) if someone wants to run the 1000w bios? We're grown-ups and know the risk involved.
Wasnt talking about you my dude, talking about God503 post about his fix to the 500w bios problem.
NEVER claimed I had a fix for the 500 watt. I did claim that wasn't the issue all along. My point was and still is heat dissipation. You really don't read the posts do you...
He didn't read the Magnusson Moss act I gave, so I would agree he doesn't like to read posts in full. To be clear: just installing the 1000watt BIOS does *NOT* void your warranty by nature - at least not in the USA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 18:58:10
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Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
cbaty
Notchy44
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/
Great info about the bios he is talking about
Was unaware of this one.
Back to my point - why are you so bothered? There (obviously) are many here who are into the topic of the 1000w bios - and some of us (myself) had no idea of the other thread.
Why be so hostile over this? I just don't get it.
my point is he has a theory about the bios not working due to heat so water blocking it and throwing a 1000w bios that has 0 protection for the card isnt the best "fix" to be tossing around. Never said dont do what you want to a card. But dont feed people miss information about the 500w bios in a tread made to discuss the results of the 500w bios.
Whoa, I never fed misinformation; so, I'm not clear why you say such.
Why do you give a (Deleted for Foul Language) if someone wants to run the 1000w bios? We're grown-ups and know the risk involved.
Wasnt talking about you my dude, talking about God503 post about his fix to the 500w bios problem.
NEVER claimed I had a fix for the 500 watt. I did claim that wasn't the issue all along. My point was and still is heat dissipation. You really don't read the posts do you...
"So bottom line.... IMO I think we are dealing with thermal throttling that keeps these cards from hitting power limits. On air i noticed throttling starting at 60C with big time throttling above 70C. And i was hitting 84C." Wrong, Proven with the video I posted on air with 70c and a score of 14634 in PR "So i am fully convinced the EVGA bioses are gimping the cards as not to steal from kingpin models. Also the Air cooling can BARELY manage the 500 watt bios." Wrong as well, air cooling is fine with the 500w bios with a decent airflow case. Also why would EVGA release a 500w bios and purposely make it throttle power back and not hit the target on purpose. Thats just asking for bad PR lol. I can keep going on but clearly you dont see my point in posting a "fix" to a issue by telling people to install a bios that is not made for a card. People are smart enough to install the 1000w bios at there own risk but this isnt a good fix for people looking to hit the 500w bios EVGA has posted on this forum.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 19:04:38
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Why don't u cut and paste the part about me telling people the fix is the 1k bios. How about maybe YOU can explain a 600 point increase JUST by adding a water block.... hmmmmm. Sounds like throttling to me.... but what do I know... I only have been overclocking since before Intel started calling there cpus pentium..... and my first AMD CHIP was a k6-2 on a socket 7... now that was pc building.... had to set jumpers for everything in those days
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 19:09:55
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Anyone remeber the first Athlon cpu... like a black Nintendo cartridge.... and the gold finger device for over clocking.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 19:18:46
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Still waiting for you to explain a 600 point increase just by adding a water block on the same 500 watt bios by the way... need a hint? The word starts with H....
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 19:26:12
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I was able to hit 500 watts on demanding games. I never said I had an issue with that. Mine was a heat issue, I used to peak at 84c!!!!. The card was throttling once it crossed 60c. Now it's not an issue any more... and we all can take a guess why.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 19:28:24
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The ONE THING I WILL TELL PEOPLE TO DO WITH THIS CARD.... and that is to repaste and re pad if planning to stick with the air cooler. Mine was such a crappy job and the quality of the paste was poop...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 20:02:46
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god503
I was able to hit 500 watts on demanding games. I never said I had an issue with that. Mine was a heat issue, I used to peak at 84c!!!!. The card was throttling once it crossed 60c. Now it's not an issue any more... and we all can take a guess why.
You had crappy air flow in your case? 
Thermaltake coffin.... with the glass panels off... try again
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 21:45:21
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The 1000W BIOS really doesn't "fix" the issue, just an FYI, all it does is make the card draw more power through the PCIe slot, which is dangerous & could lead to card failure later on down the line, or sooner, depending on what your computer feels like doing about it. PCIe spec as was discussed a while back in this thread, is 75W. The 1000W BIOS from what I've seen can get upwards of 90W draw from the PCIe slot (which is why it's giving you "better" power draw than the "500W" broken XOC BIOS). I would not recommend using that BIOS myself, it isn't really fixing the issue, it's just creating another one. The XC3 BIOS also didn't work for me, clocks didn't go any higher, weren't anymore stable, and scores were lower at the same clocks, so it looks like this card will be headed the way of the RMA department once I get my Kingpin card in. Can't RMA right now because I don't have a viable backup card. Also, if you're seeing 84C, your ambient is either too hot, or something else weird is going on like needing to repaste indeed, because I've never seen temps that high, not on the 3080 FTW3 Ultra I had before (topped out at around 65C under prolonged heavy load) or my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid now (tops out at 53-57C depending on the load & ambient temps). Anything over 60C on a Hybrid card is too high imo, unless your ambient is greater than 80F. That's an indication of either needing a remount/repaste, or horrible airflow.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/19 22:38:38
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The 1000W BIOS really doesn't "fix" the issue, just an FYI, all it does is make the card draw more power through the PCIe slot, which is dangerous & could lead to card failure later on down the line, or sooner, depending on what your computer feels like doing about it. PCIe spec as was discussed a while back in this thread, is 75W. The 1000W BIOS from what I've seen can get upwards of 90W draw from the PCIe slot (which is why it's giving you "better" power draw than the "500W" broken XOC BIOS). I would not recommend using that BIOS myself, it isn't really fixing the issue, it's just creating another one.
The XC3 BIOS also didn't work for me, clocks didn't go any higher, weren't anymore stable, and scores were lower at the same clocks, so it looks like this card will be headed the way of the RMA department once I get my Kingpin card in. Can't RMA right now because I don't have a viable backup card.
Also, if you're seeing 84C, your ambient is either too hot, or something else weird is going on like needing to repaste indeed, because I've never seen temps that high, not on the 3080 FTW3 Ultra I had before (topped out at around 65C under prolonged heavy load) or my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid now (tops out at 53-57C depending on the load & ambient temps). Anything over 60C on a Hybrid card is too high imo, unless your ambient is greater than 80F. That's an indication of either needing a remount/repaste, or horrible airflow.
This guy gets it. Thank you. You should NEVER see above 70ish with the 500w bios. Hybrid iv never seen above 57 even in heavy benching. Avg for me is 44c in port royal with ambient temp at 67f (live in San Diego never gets cold enough for benchmarks lol)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 03:46:50
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I think the problem is that it CAN'T be fixed, at least not easily if at all.
In the Ampere Bios Editor, for example, you can change the internal power limits.
But you still can't change the RATIO of the limits! That's hardwired on-board. And that's the problem here.
You already saw people using the Kingpin 1000W VBios on their FTW3's and pulling 95W from the PCIE Slot at 550W...
I don't think a bios exists that allows you to change the ratios of the limits. Even shunt modding doesn't change the ratios. It only changes what's reported to the current sensing chip.
Is this bios editor something that can be downloaded ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 03:56:49
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☄ Helpfulby Delirious 2021/01/20 14:11:27
Notchy44, god503, and cbaty
Can you three please take your circus someplace else. We don't need the increasingly toxic spam all over an already insanely long thread. We are here to try to give EVGA feedback on a BIOS we'd like a fix/update for, not a thread lock because you guys can't keep it civil. Just drop it and move on please.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 07:37:03
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84w draw on pcie - no bueno!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 12:09:36
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84w draw on pcie - no bueno!
Again, its his card. Let him pull 100w from the PCIE slot if he wants.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 12:43:37
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Kylearan
I think the problem is that it CAN'T be fixed, at least not easily if at all.
In the Ampere Bios Editor, for example, you can change the internal power limits.
But you still can't change the RATIO of the limits! That's hardwired on-board. And that's the problem here.
You already saw people using the Kingpin 1000W VBios on their FTW3's and pulling 95W from the PCIE Slot at 550W...
I don't think a bios exists that allows you to change the ratios of the limits. Even shunt modding doesn't change the ratios. It only changes what's reported to the current sensing chip.
Is this bios editor something that can be downloaded ?
I posted the link to the editor several pages back before the toxic flame war happened. But dwayne johnson kept complaining about his crappy antivirus whining about a virus alert. False positives are a common thing with "hack tools". Editing is disabled so noobs don't start spamming the guy about "WHY WONT NVFLASH FLASH MY MODDED 2000W VBIOS???". NVflash will NOT flash any bios that is not HULK certified by them. A hardware programmer with checksums corrected can possibly bypass this limitation. Any modded bios *MUST* be hardware flashed, meaning a hardware programmer (i personally prefer the Skypro's software), a 1.8v adapter (required), and a Pomona 5250 clip for inline flashing (without desoldering)+male to female jumper wires.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 13:24:14
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Just an FYI. I have a a tiachi trx40 MB so the vrms are cooled very well number 1. Number 2 15% out of spec for a quality board is not a big thing. Third it looks like almost all of the ftw3 ultras are drawing over 80 on the pci. Too many people have been going bonkers over that in this thread because of the power ratios in the bios
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 13:32:14
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Just an FYI. I have a a tiachi trx40 MB so the vrms are cooled very well number 1. Number 2 15% out of spec for a quality board is not a big thing. Third it looks like almost all of the ftw3 ultras are drawing over 80 on the pci. Too many people have been going bonkers over that in this thread because of the power ratios in the bios
Out of spec is out of spec. I'd rather a dying video card not also take my motherboard out with it regardless of the quality of equipment I have. There are standards for a reason.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 13:32:47
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Notchy44, god503, and cbaty
Can you three please take your circus someplace else. We don't need the increasingly toxic spam all over an already insanely long thread. We are here to try to give EVGA feedback on a BIOS we'd like a fix/update for, not a thread lock because you guys can't keep it civil. Just drop it and move on please.
Im here trying to help everyone by posting positive stuff about the bios if you look at all my post. Im not the one trolling the forums posting a "Fix" to the 500w bios by loading up a 1000w watt unprotected 84w pci slot ticking time bomb.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 14:01:11
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god503
The 500 watt bios was pulling 84 watts on the pcie so what's the difference???? And yes... I noticed a crappy paste job on the card. Could be more of an issue than just an isolated incident. And notchy44 is a child. Ignore him
Not on my card it wasn't, the most I've seen on the slot draw on the XOC Beta BIOS is 78W. Again, if the card is running out of spec, it should be RMAed, that's the point. I will be RMAing this card as soon as I get my Kingpin in so I am not graphics card-less. This is literally a big reason why the card is showing Power Limit when it is NOT hitting 500W draw, because the card is seeing it is at/over the spec-limit of the PCIe slot, (as well as hitting an erroneous power limit on the vRAM from what I can tell, as underclocking the vRAM seems to lessen the Power Limit hitting & raise the draw at which it begins being shown) and thereby limiting the rest of the card, before it should be, not allowing the PCIe 8-pin connectors to draw anywhere near their rated 150W. The 3090 FTW3 and any other 3090 with 3 8-pin connectors SHOULD be able to hit 525W (3x 150W PCIe power connectors + 75W PCIe Slot) without going over spec on ANYTHING - that is a fact - but the vast majority of them do not even hit 475W let alone the 500W limit advertised for this Beta BIOS, and that's something that they either need to fix via a BIOS update, or allow people to RMA their cards because it won't run at spec. Simple as that. I'm just glad I won't be waiting around for eVGA to solve this problem, because they've had ~4 months now & we haven't seen any indication, other than "it's being worked on" from some of their reps on forums, that any progress has been made.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 14:05:47
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Just an FYI. I have a a tiachi trx40 MB so the vrms are cooled very well number 1. Number 2 15% out of spec for a quality board is not a big thing. Third it looks like almost all of the ftw3 ultras are drawing over 80 on the pci. Too many people have been going bonkers over that in this thread because of the power ratios in the bios
Out of spec is out of spec. I'd rather a dying video card not also take my motherboard out with it regardless of the quality of equipment I have. There are standards for a reason.
And the standards have allowances for deviation... u do know that right? If u had any electronics background.... maybe this board should ask for people educational background before stating there supposed knowledge... its been a pet peeve of mine since this thread started. I'd rather listen to some one with an engineering degree than a 14 year old in there parents basement.
ill go first, chemistry degree....
Hey nothy44... why don't u enlighten us with ur lambskin???
If it's a pet peeve then go away. No one is forcing you to stay. Also, typically things are designed to take temporary spikes beyond the standard tolerance. Probably not a good thing to stay sustained beyond it for any length of time.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 14:07:37
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everyone, the personal attacks need to stop. Before you type a long response with well thought out words and then you ruin it by attacking another personally, consider I'll delete your whole post for just one word if it attacks another person on the forum. Everyone has been warned.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 14:12:03
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everyone, the personal attacks need to stop. Before you type a long response with well thought out words and then you ruin it by attacking another personally, consider I'll delete your whole post for just one word if it attacks another person on the forum. Everyone has been warned.
That's how it should be. Thank you
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 15:38:38
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Does the new hotfix driver fix the "6500C" thermal throttle temp flag bug that's been present in every single driver since the very first 457.xx branch?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 15:53:13
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Kylearan
Does the new hotfix driver fix the "6500C" thermal throttle temp flag bug that's been present in every single driver since the very first 457.xx branch?
I can confirm the 461.09s does NOT fix that issue, I'm running the newest driver & had it happen on 2 sensors during a Cyberpunk 2077 session yesterday. Haven't tried the HotFix ones yet.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 16:15:47
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Is it possible to step-up from 3090 FTW3 Ultra to the 3090 Kingpin? (I dont think so 😕)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/20 16:23:53
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Is it possible to step-up from 3090 FTW3 Ultra to the 3090 Kingpin? (I dont think so 😕)
The Kingpin has always been a limited-run card, meaning only so many of them are made and it is not added to Step Up queue because of that, the same as the Hybrid cards are not available in it, because they are also limited in number compared to air-cooled SKUs, so there is no chance it would be added to the Step Up queue.
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