MiztahSparklez
hmm I've been trying to push my card and at most it gets close to 400w with the XOC bios.  Makes me wonder if I should just keep my 750w psu, since I'm not even getting close to that power draw for my entire system (UPS Says 650w max)
 
Is this the power wall that people are hitting with their ftw3 ultras?  I have a newer card with black accents.

MiztahSparklez
Nope, the 750 titanium was handling the 3090 ftw3 ultra fine. Had dedicated pcie power as well with at least 3 extra ports to spare! Had a full 100 more watts to go before the 750 would hit the limit.

I just upgraded to 1000 titanium, but I don’t even notice a difference.

On another note, if TDP on the 3090 is 350w, 119% power is roughly 420w, which would make sense why nobody is hitting 500.

I just want to try to maintain as close to 120fps on my Samsung crg9 monitor as I can, so getting more FPS out of the card would be great. I’m not interested in trying to get to 500w, I want the best performing card that takes the least amount of power (less heat).

It’s amazing how good the factory air cooler is. Once the load is gone, the gpu temp drops instantly. My only gripe is that it’s loud AF, when it’s blasting. I just ordered the hybrid kit for it, so hopefully that will quiet things down even more.

Den-ko
Are there no news about actually making this bios not a beta?

H-Emmanuel

Den-ko
Are there no news about actually making this bios not a beta?

No and my guess is that it's because what would work for some wouldn't work for others. Cards that already have a high PCIe power draw would draw even more at 500W, and Evga probably doesn't want to deal with RMAs because of blown PCIe fuses or customers trying to RMA because the PCIe draw is out of spec. That same BIOS would probably work well on my card since I tested my PCIe power draw at 500W (using 1000W BIOS) and it was reasonable.
 
Unfortunately you have to make the best of what your card can do on XOC 500W or XC3. For me it means having different overclocks for games like Metro Exodus that would perfcap into ridiculously low clocks, but that I stabilized at 2240-2250MHz at 0.975v. And then for games like BF5 and COD that draw much less power, I'm working on an OC at 1.075v, currently stability testing 2175MHz while pulling 383W.

RaulKodrum
After reading this thread for quite a while a decided to check my own card (FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID) to see how much power it's actually drawing from the PCIe slot (to be noted that I have a Riser with a PCIe Gen4 Premium cable attached, so no clue if the cable is actually limiting the amount of voltage drawn by the card).
 
So I opened GPU-Z and did a Heaven Benchmark run with it (With XOC OC BIOS and OCed):
 
For what I can see I'm sitting at 489 W of total draw, which 80,5W are coming from the PCIe slot. Guess it is not that bad...

Dabadger84
80.5W on a 75W-limit PCIe slot when that's just what's reading out & isn't including the known-spikes these 3080s & 3090s have, is not "not that bad", it's out of spec.
Someone earlier said eVGA isn't releasing a BIOS update because they don't want to deal with RMAs for cards being out of spec... they're already dealing with RMAs for people RMAing their card because the PCIe slot is drawing out of spec.  It's a real issue, my card included, which is why I'll be RMAing it after my Kingpin arrives.
I undervolted my card (with an OC, so the draw is still not that low, 2040MHz @ 1000mV) which helps with the PCIe draw, but even then, I'm seeing PWR PerfCap as low as 420W draw, on the XOC Beta BIOS, with the slider maxed that should be giving me the infamous "500W" limit.  
It is possible they'll eventually get a BIOS that has proper power management/load management, but it's also possible it will be a fixes some but doesn't fix others - which is why I'll be RMAing the card, I'm not taking the chance of the next owner popping it because I already know it's one that draws out of spec pretty easily if it's at the 450W+ mark in anything at full-voltage etc.
 
If you feel fine with it, rock the card out as is, it's not like eVGA won't warranty it when it does die, if it does - but at the end of the day, it's not good, and when/if it's the PCIe slot that goes, it could take your motherboard with it which could also fry a whole host of other things.  Is that unlikely?  Maybe, but why not be on the side of caution since we're dealing with $1700+ video cards & in most cases a thousand plus dollars of other hardware attached to our motherboards, eh?

the_Scarlet_one
3 and 4 way SLI is exactly why supplemental power cables were added to motherboards, because with 3 and 4 cards, you are looking at 225 to 300w power draw from the PCI brackets. 225 to 300, when it is running at spec...

The pci slot was not the part giving out, like Dabadger said, it was the 24 pin cable melting..

Yes, drawing over spec may cause issues, or it may not. How would an end user be able to tell? They wouldn’t, they would only be able to assume and go with it.

That is where more experienced people that have access to actual testing equipment should come in.

cerealkeller
I’m surprised EVGA is even RMA’ing cards for the PCIE power issue. When I contacted them I was told, and maybe it’s because I also have an EVGA board z390 Dark, that the PCIE slot and fuse could reliably handle 100 watts. There’s got to be overhead if 75w is the limit. They’re not going to set it so high any overhead will start frying components.
Don’t get me wrong, this whole issue is ANNOYING AF!!! But for me the card runs fine within stock specs and nothing has broken yet after a couple hundred hours on the limit.

the_Scarlet_one
I look back over the years at how many people shunt modded their cards, to include the PCI shunt, and how most of those cards didn’t die.

That is why I consider the issue “reddit’d”

In a perfect world, NVidia would limit every person to the exact spec, on pci and every connection.

eXp67

H-Emmanuel

Den-ko
Are there no news about actually making this bios not a beta?

No and my guess is that it's because what would work for some wouldn't work for others. Cards that already have a high PCIe power draw would draw even more at 500W, and Evga probably doesn't want to deal with RMAs because of blown PCIe fuses or customers trying to RMA because the PCIe draw is out of spec. That same BIOS would probably work well on my card since I tested my PCIe power draw at 500W (using 1000W BIOS) and it was reasonable.
 
Unfortunately you have to make the best of what your card can do on XOC 500W or XC3. For me it means having different overclocks for games like Metro Exodus that would perfcap into ridiculously low clocks, but that I stabilized at 2240-2250MHz at 0.975v. And then for games like BF5 and COD that draw much less power, I'm working on an OC at 1.075v, currently stability testing 2175MHz while pulling 383W.

 
Honnestly, what the time of the overclock was easy ?
The more logical will be : more power on the card you give more higher you can.
We didn't have too see cards at 400W perform lot better than 600W at this price.
Who is guilty ? Nvidia for binning or EVGA for manufacturing problems ?
 
I just don't understand how some can perform better score with a 400 TDP vs 650W. It's out of me :)
 
PS: I buyed the FTW3 Ultra edition, that's not the simple card. For me EVGA had to select GPU at give a quality for there higher model (Kingpin / Ultra).
They seems to forget the ultra it seems and let them crap card. Ultra = highly overclockable / Kingpin  = maximum crazy performance.
 
.... :-(