But in V/F curve, I can set 1,093V and 1,1V separately.
Then in Of MSI AB osd , I can see 1,093V when I set a frequency at this voltage and I can see also 1,1V when I set a frequency at 1,1V.
So, this is not software related, but it seems that I can go until 1,1V.
I am surprised as usually 1,093V is maximum voltage . Only custom bioses help going beyond.

Just to understand ...

Jacob, any glue on this ?

Thank you

let me test this

Dabadger84
Can you actually get the card to RUN at 1.1v?  Otherwise being able to "set" the clock at that voltage is pointless & means nothing.
Let's hope today has a Kingpin drop big enough to get to my spot...

grabibus
if I set in V/F curve for exemple at 2085Mhz/1,1V, yes, it runs at this voltage. Of course, after some minutes, it can throttle.

If I set 2085Mhz/1,093V, same .
It runs at 1,093V.

So 1,1V is an accessible working voltage, which surprises me

You can "set" the card at that voltage but you actually LOSE performance if you adjust the curve to cause 1.1v to be fixed.


Check the latest hwinfo64 and then check the "effective" clocks vs the "requested" clocks.  You will see that if you use a custom curve, your effective clocks go WAY down (even if you are NOT power limited).  This gives you lower scores.  (this can be fixed by adjusting MSVDD).  If you use the default curve and just use an offset, and "lock" the 1.1v voltage point in MSI Afterburner with "L", and then set the Voltage Slider to 100% (this slider unlocks the 1.075v-1.10v voltage tier...the tier shape changes depending on thermals, so the voltage will cycle from 1.069v to 1.1v, and it will use the LEFT MOST voltage point on the current tier shape), you will see that your effective clocks will be much closer to the requested clocks.

Kylearan

Dabadger84
Can you actually get the card to RUN at 1.1v?  Otherwise being able to "set" the clock at that voltage is pointless & means nothing.
Let's hope today has a Kingpin drop big enough to get to my spot...

grabibus
if I set in V/F curve for exemple at 2085Mhz/1,1V, yes, it runs at this voltage. Of course, after some minutes, it can throttle.

If I set 2085Mhz/1,093V, same .
It runs at 1,093V.

So 1,1V is an accessible working voltage, which surprises me

You can "set" the card at that voltage but you actually LOSE performance if you adjust the curve to cause 1.1v to be fixed.


Check the latest hwinfo64 and then check the "effective" clocks vs the "requested" clocks.  You will see that if you use a custom curve, your effective clocks go WAY down (even if you are NOT power limited).  This gives you lower scores.  (this can be fixed by adjusting MSVDD).  If you use the default curve and just use an offset, and "lock" the 1.1v voltage point in MSI Afterburner with "L", and then set the Voltage Slider to 100% (this slider unlocks the 1.075v-1.10v voltage tier...the tier shape changes depending on thermals, so the voltage will cycle from 1.069v to 1.1v, and it will use the LEFT MOST voltage point on the current tier shape), you will see that your effective clocks will be much closer to the requested clocks.

Thank you.
I will check what you say.

 Previous Post....
 
OPTIMUS WATER BLOCK INSTALLED!!!!

Ok so here where my best air cooling on port royal. Thats all i have done testing so far,,, So on air the best I was getting was +175 GPU and +275 MEM no boost lock on 500 watt bios. Tried the XC3 bios but changed nothing on my score which led me to believe my card was throttling. GPUZ showed a high of 84C and a power draw high of 485 Watts [for port royal. I was able to hit 500+ peaks on other more demanding games so I dont feel I was power limited. My systems is threadripper 3 24 core on 4.35 all core boost (not a gaming CPU obviously, probable costs me about 200 to 300 points on 3dmark) asrock tiachi MB and dd4 at 3666 14T mem locked to 1:1 infinity fabric. So best score i ever got on a port was 13950.

So in goes Optimus!!!!

SOOOOOOOO HEAT LIMITED ON AIR!!!!!!

Mem went to +375 GPU went to +200 WITH BOOST LOCK ON.... 14547!!!!!! A 600 point Increase!@!!!!!!

So this is what i noticed. Not a good paste job on the GPU or quality paste and thermal pads when i took off the cooler. I did use liquid metal instead of kryonout. My temps max out at 40C. My power draw dropped to about 455 watts so the fans take about 12-15 watts per fan!!!! Will try the xc3 bios to see if it makes a difference since heat is out of the equation.

So bottom line.... IMO I think we are dealing with thermal throttling that keeps these cards from hitting power limits. On air i noticed throttling starting at 60C with big time throttling above 70C. And i was hitting 84C.

My card has red lips and 14 on the serial number

Will up date when i have time to play with it more.
 
 
UPDATED POST


INSTALLED 1000 WATT BIOS!!!!!
 
 Cracked 15000 on port royal!!!!!!!!!!!!.   THANK YOU OPTIMUS!!!!.  I have added more than 1000 points to my score with this water block.  I have hit the brick wall on the silicon lottery at +200 GPU so no need to go higher than 600 watts on this bios.  But i was able to push the memory to +1100.  I went from 13500 stock OC to 14000 with 500 watt bios  both on air.  Then optimus gave me 14500 with the 500 watt bios and now im at over 15K.   So i am fully convinced the EVGA bioses are gimping the cards as not to steal from kingpin models.  Also the Air cooling can BARELY manage the 500 watt bios.  SO..  Im VERY happy with this card.   

god503
Just did Time spy extreme   Had to lower GPU to +190  Scored 11941... slid into the 29 spot on the hall of fame...  :)  Card sucked the full 600 watts for the test too!.  Not planning to go higher on the wattage. dont want to trip the PCIE fuse.  Slot power hit 99 watts!
 
Cant wait for thread ripper 4!!!  I heard there's a possibility of a  16 core version.  That would be perfect.  May add a couple of hundred points to my scores...  ;) 

Nice! Enjoy that 1000w bios and don't let people rain on your parade with the "it voids your warranty" cry. Just because I or anyone else doesn't want to use it doesn't mean we have to suck the joy out of your posts.

god503
 Previous Post....
 
OPTIMUS WATER BLOCK INSTALLED!!!!

Ok so here where my best air cooling on port royal. Thats all i have done testing so far,,, So on air the best I was getting was +175 GPU and +275 MEM no boost lock on 500 watt bios. Tried the XC3 bios but changed nothing on my score which led me to believe my card was throttling. GPUZ showed a high of 84C and a power draw high of 485 Watts [for port royal. I was able to hit 500+ peaks on other more demanding games so I dont feel I was power limited. My systems is threadripper 3 24 core on 4.35 all core boost (not a gaming CPU obviously, probable costs me about 200 to 300 points on 3dmark) asrock tiachi MB and dd4 at 3666 14T mem locked to 1:1 infinity fabric. So best score i ever got on a port was 13950.

So in goes Optimus!!!!

SOOOOOOOO HEAT LIMITED ON AIR!!!!!!

Mem went to +375 GPU went to +200 WITH BOOST LOCK ON.... 14547!!!!!! A 600 point Increase!@!!!!!!

So this is what i noticed. Not a good paste job on the GPU or quality paste and thermal pads when i took off the cooler. I did use liquid metal instead of kryonout. My temps max out at 40C. My power draw dropped to about 455 watts so the fans take about 12-15 watts per fan!!!! Will try the xc3 bios to see if it makes a difference since heat is out of the equation.

So bottom line.... IMO I think we are dealing with thermal throttling that keeps these cards from hitting power limits. On air i noticed throttling starting at 60C with big time throttling above 70C. And i was hitting 84C.

My card has red lips and 14 on the serial number

Will up date when i have time to play with it more.
 
 
UPDATED POST


INSTALLED 1000 WATT BIOS!!!!!
 
 Cracked 15000 on port royal!!!!!!!!!!!!.   THANK YOU OPTIMUS!!!!.  I have added more than 1000 points to my score with this water block.  I have hit the brick wall on the silicon lottery at +200 GPU so no need to go higher than 600 watts on this bios.  But i was able to push the memory to +1100.  I went from 13500 stock OC to 14000 with 500 watt bios  both on air.  Then optimus gave me 14500 with the 500 watt bios and now im at over 15K.   So i am fully convinced the EVGA bioses are gimping the cards as not to steal from kingpin models.  Also the Air cooling can BARELY manage the 500 watt bios.  SO..  Im VERY happy with this card.   

 
Man thats a LOT of work to hit over 15k but congrats! Also the fans only take 1-2 watts of power if that. So 540 watts, 1000w bios hack and 47c max temp 2200 core clock. Well here I have a stock 500w bios 2126 core, 44c avg 3090 FTW3 hybrid card. Only mod I did to it was the thermal paste just on the gpu when I swapped from air to the hybrid water kit. EVGA isnt gimping ALL the cards to undercut the kingpin.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/793382
 
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god503
The fans take more than 1 to 2 watts. The 3 of them at 100% take about 40 watts. As for the warranty, im pretty sure that gets voided adding the waterblock as I had to remove a warranty sticker to get to one if the screws...

I run the EVGA hybrid water block and no it does not void your warranty using a EVGA supplied cooler. Also with the EVGA 120mm fans I tested the power with them on max on and off and no they do not take 40 watts LOL. Simple google search of what a 120mm fan draws let alone a small stock cooler fans that come on the FTW3 air cooled. 

Did you remove a sticker to get to the screw???? Also to get three 12 volt fans to spin at 3000 rpms... u need more than 1 or 2 watts...

I dont have a temp sensor in the loop but the card itself has not crossed 51c playing battlefield 5 and cyberpunk. On air I was hitting 81c averaging 70c

god503
I dont have a temp sensor in the loop but the card itself has not crossed 51c playing battlefield 5 and cyberpunk. On air I was hitting 81c averaging 70c

Need better flow or something bro, temps should be MUCH lower with a full loop and the optimus block. no way should a $130 240 rad be beating out that kinda block and loop

Had some weird issues with the XC3 Ultra BIOS. Gaming was just fine and the clocks were stable. However, in Windows, the memory speed would be full speed all the time and idled at 60C. Rebooted after install, clean install the driver and rebooted after. Had to flash back to the XOC BIOS to get it fixed. Not sure why the memory was maxed, but the core was idle.

Notchy44

god503
Did you remove a sticker to get to the screw???? Also to get three 12 volt fans to spin at 3000 rpms... u need more than 1 or 2 watts...

Direct quote from EVGA says "keep the stock cooler if you need to RMA the card for any reason." For you the warranty is 100% voided, Aftermarket water block and 1000w bios not intended for your card. For me im 100% fine. The hybrid uses only 2 120mm 2500 rpm fans. And no they do not use 40w of power let alone the stock small fans on the evga ftw3 air cooled card. lol lets say on the generous side 5w at max load lol

This is (deliberate or not) misinformation. As long as you return the card to its stock configuration for RMA (e.g. reinstalling the stock air cooler), and do not physically damage the card, you can take the cooler off all day long. The sticker is there so that EVGA knows to look into any RMA more closely if it is removed.
 
https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/ 

The XOC bios is not recommended on card with stock cooling ?

grabibus
The XOC bios is not recommended on card with stock cooling ?

U can use it, but you won't get the full potential from the extra juice from air cooling. I got decent bump when I went from stock to xoc.