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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 11:50:24
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Wait so the Kingpin XOC bios is already available to run on the 3090 FTW3? Weird that I haven't heard one person talking about this. I have only heard about people running XC3 3090 bios on their FTW3.
BIOS was uploaded some time ago now.
People don't post about it on here though. Mostly on Overclock.net
Wow thank you!! 1000w limit that is awesome. Are their any reports of it working on a FTW3?
Check overclock.net people have ran it on many different cards including Strix.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 12:23:34
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Wait so the Kingpin XOC bios is already available to run on the 3090 FTW3? Weird that I haven't heard one person talking about this. I have only heard about people running XC3 3090 bios on their FTW3.
BIOS was uploaded some time ago now.
People don't post about it on here though. Mostly on Overclock.net
Wow thank you!! 1000w limit that is awesome. Are their any reports of it working on a FTW3?
Check overclock.net people have ran it on many different cards including Strix.
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Wait so the Kingpin XOC bios is already available to run on the 3090 FTW3? Weird that I haven't heard one person talking about this. I have only heard about people running XC3 3090 bios on their FTW3.
BIOS was uploaded some time ago now.
People don't post about it on here though. Mostly on Overclock.net
Wow thank you!! 1000w limit that is awesome. Are their any reports of it working on a FTW3?
Check overclock.net people have ran it on many different cards including Strix.
Thank you for the info! I haven't been able to find any posts regarding the Kingpin bios on the FTW3 on there. I am excited to hear about it! I may just try it as well, as the card has two BIOS's...I don't think it can do any damage as long as I monitor the power intake.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 12:24:47
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Wait so the Kingpin XOC bios is already available to run on the 3090 FTW3? Weird that I haven't heard one person talking about this. I have only heard about people running XC3 3090 bios on their FTW3.
BIOS was uploaded some time ago now.
People don't post about it on here though. Mostly on Overclock.net
Wow thank you!! 1000w limit that is awesome. Are their any reports of it working on a FTW3?
Check overclock.net people have ran it on many different cards including Strix.
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Wait so the Kingpin XOC bios is already available to run on the 3090 FTW3? Weird that I haven't heard one person talking about this. I have only heard about people running XC3 3090 bios on their FTW3.
BIOS was uploaded some time ago now.
People don't post about it on here though. Mostly on Overclock.net
Wow thank you!! 1000w limit that is awesome. Are their any reports of it working on a FTW3?
Check overclock.net people have ran it on many different cards including Strix.
Thank you for the info! I haven't been able to find any posts regarding the Kingpin bios on the FTW3 on there. I am excited to hear about it! I may just try it as well, as the card has two BIOS's...I don't think it can do any damage as long as I monitor the power intake.
that is because it voids the warranty, so not many will write here that they used the kingpin bios or the use of shunt mods.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 12:28:45
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Oh no way! I did not know it voids the warranty. Gotcha. Maybe I will wait to try it until I have owned it for a few more days then haha.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 12:29:43
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that is because it voids the warranty, so not many will write here that they used the kingpin bios or the use of shunt mods.
Technically, no. You only voided it if you submitted an official request and agreed to an NDA/signed a waiver. It's pretty surprising that EVGA hasn't specifically started deleting posts and sent a C&D to TechPowerUp for hosting that bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 12:32:41
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that is because it voids the warranty, so not many will write here that they used the kingpin bios or the use of shunt mods.
Technically, no. You only voided it if you submitted an official request and agreed to an NDA/signed a waiver. It's pretty surprising that EVGA hasn't specifically started deleting posts and sent a C&D to TechPowerUp for hosting that bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:00:17
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I have a 2014 FTW3 for testing and with every benchmark I run into the power limit (XOC BIOS 500W is already installed). With Timespy I got around 477 Watt / PCI Slot Power is 78 Watt. It seems that this card have the same issue as many other cards here.
Does it makes sense to install the 520W KP Bios to check if the problem is the BIOS?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:15:12
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So have also tried the xoc Bios with maxed out powerslider and a little plus on the core and the mem. Max Power draw no changes to the normal OC Bios. Card Max Temp was 58 degrees Celsius with 100% Fans it never draws more than 430 Watts on benches. Even in Gaming my Card was never above 460 Watts(for one second only) always between 380-411 Watts with good cooling and so on...i had two others 3090 before and eg a Phantom GS draws standard 420 Watts steady and when you max the powerslider it stays always at 470Watt during Gaming and so on. If i put the slider on the FTW3 Ultra to 450Watt it draws maximaly 380-415 with little Peaks to 430Watt. Its a great card but this is a little bit annoying because we all spend a lot of money to tweak the cards to our liking. Besides that the card works great (2014 Taiwan December Modell black lips). I hope they can sort out for all users. Edit Pcie Power draw is always between 74-77 Watt.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:24:44
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I have a 2014 FTW3 for testing and with every benchmark I run into the power limit (XOC BIOS 500W is already installed). With Timespy I got around 477 Watt / PCI Slot Power is 78 Watt. It seems that this card have the same issue as many other cards here.
Does it makes sense to install the 520W KP Bios to check if the problem is the BIOS?
Why not install the 1000w bios?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:33:10
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Because it's too dangerous (just my opinion)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:36:11
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Just received my 3090 FTW Ultra today and I can confirm many of what y'all saying on this thread.
I used the normal Timespy Benchmark on a 1440p with an OC'd 5950x and this XOC bios and I can increase my score by OC'ing the card on Precision BUT It never goes past 420-430W, never !
It doesn't mean I can't play games but as many of you said, we would all like to run our products at their maximum capabilities as I've done with my CPU.
I'll wait a new update from EVGA and hope they can find a fix aswell as some tests of the kingpin bios by other users.
Happy New Year everybody, cheers !
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:41:51
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Yeah.. would be nice for everyone's sake I think. It's weird that the XC3 (a 2 PCIE power connector) bios allows the card to pull more power than the actual 3 pin XOC bios.
I have the ASUS ROG Thor 1200W PSU and it has a built in wattmeter in the side, as well as having one in the wall. XC3 bios seems to allow the card to draw about 50 more watts which would make it ~500w. With that in mind I'm hoping it's just a bios fix that they need to roll out. It's weird that the first card I had that died (2014 serial) to the red light issues took the 500w bios no problem but this new one (china 2012) really doesn't seem to like to exceed 100% PT and if it does it's only for a brief second before it comes flying back to about 420w.
The reason why XC3 allows the card to pull more power is because the SRC 3 power limit is set to 0, since there is only two SRC power limits on dual 8 pin cards. Three 8 pin cards have three SRC power limits (even though they are all set to the same value). And the FTW3 will still draw power from the third 8 pin since that's hardwired via PCB design.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:42:59
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Because it's too dangerous (just my opinion)
Why do you think it is too dangerous? Just wondering. It seems like it wouldn't be unless you accidently cranked the slider to 1000w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 14:51:12
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Maybe I give them a try. If I set the power limit slider to 55%, I should get a maximum of 550 watts, right?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 15:09:57
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Maybe I give them a try. If I set the power limit slider to 55%, I should get a maximum of 550 watts, right?
And if you have a power limited FTW3 (430ish watts), you'll see 90+ watts of continuous power draw through the PCIE slot. Not something that I'd call acceptable. At least with the XC3 VBIOS, my PCIE power draw is REDUCED to ~66W.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 15:22:55
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Maybe I give them a try. If I set the power limit slider to 55%, I should get a maximum of 550 watts, right?
I believe so, but I have never tried it myself.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 15:26:47
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What i do not understand why all these cards incl my one are so powerlimited. I have never seen this on other 3 Pin Cards...i think these cards are almost designed for 440 Watts with little Peaks above but why then Evga is advertising such a bios...
Besides that for gaming only the card is perfect. Have the same fps as a tested card that draw a lot more power, but for overclocking with high powerlimit...and what i also not understand is some cards can easy ran this bios and some not and these are both typs from Taiwan and China. Are there all the same components on the card or not...because i think thats not only chip binning or lotterie.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 15:39:02
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Again I don't think it is every FTW3 3090. I just played a game and measured it and I stayed within 470 to 497 the entire time.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 15:45:37
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Thats what i would say in the second half of my post before. Can it be that there are almost not the same components on every card because some can run with higher powerlimit and some not...we will see.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 17:44:39
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The problem lies in the fact that the vRAM is erroneously hitting it's power limit & thusly the whole card is showing power limited when it's not actually hitting 500W. If you don't believe me, try underclocking your vRAM by -250MHz & witness how much more stable & higher you can go on your GPU Core clock before hitting PWR PerfCap. It's actually kinda ridiculous, I've seen up to 489W power draw while underclocking the vRAM & OC testing the core, in TimeSpy at least. With the vRAM at stock, I can't get higher than around 473W, and only in that test, almost every game/benchmark besides that doesn't go much past 450W no matter what I do, unless I underclock the vRAM.
For now I'm still running my OC/undervolt of 2040MHz @ 1000mV on the core, it's completely stable in Cyberpunk 2077 for hours of play, and results in cooler than stock temps, with better than stock FPS, and I rarely see power limit as a )PerfCap reason due to the lower power draw by undervolting.
For reference, at stock, the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid typically boosts to 1890-1935MHz depending on temperature etc, usually sitting right around the 1920MHz mark, so my settings are basically a 120MHz OC (or stock clocks on a Kingpin card), with only 1000mV to the core, instead of the 1058-1075mV stock runs at.
Pretty sure almost every 3090 FTW3 Hybrid should be able to run 2040 @ 1000mV, so I highly recommend giving it a try... if it's unstable, bump it down to 2025MHz.
Speaking of Undervolting, has anyone noticed that even if you save a profile in Afterburner, the clock setting can randomly change itself after rebooting sometimes, and even occasionally while Windows is running, resulting in you having to re-set the MHz/voltage curve to get it at what you want it to be at again? I think this is an unfortunate bi-product of Afterburner's Ampere support still being in "beta".
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 18:27:44
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The problem lies in the fact that the vRAM is erroneously hitting it's power limit & thusly the whole card is showing power limited when it's not actually hitting 500W. If you don't believe me, try underclocking your vRAM by -250MHz & witness how much more stable & higher you can go on your GPU Core clock before hitting PWR PerfCap. It's actually kinda ridiculous, I've seen up to 489W power draw while underclocking the vRAM & OC testing the core, in TimeSpy at least. With the vRAM at stock, I can't get higher than around 473W, and only in that test, almost every game/benchmark besides that doesn't go much past 450W no matter what I do, unless I underclock the vRAM.
For now I'm still running my OC/undervolt of 2040MHz @ 1000mV on the core, it's completely stable in Cyberpunk 2077 for hours of play, and results in cooler than stock temps, with better than stock FPS, and I rarely see power limit as a )PerfCap reason due to the lower power draw by undervolting.
For reference, at stock, the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid typically boosts to 1890-1935MHz depending on temperature etc, usually sitting right around the 1920MHz mark, so my settings are basically a 120MHz OC (or stock clocks on a Kingpin card), with only 1000mV to the core, instead of the 1058-1075mV stock runs at.
Pretty sure almost every 3090 FTW3 Hybrid should be able to run 2040 @ 1000mV, so I highly recommend giving it a try... if it's unstable, bump it down to 2025MHz.
Speaking of Undervolting, has anyone noticed that even if you save a profile in Afterburner, the clock setting can randomly change itself after rebooting sometimes, and even occasionally while Windows is running, resulting in you having to re-set the MHz/voltage curve to get it at what you want it to be at again? I think this is an unfortunate bi-product of Afterburner's Ampere support still being in "beta".
Does the 1000w Kingpin bios solve this issue by giving the vram more power? And if this is the case, then why does my card show 470w to 500w continuous draw depending on the game and yours does not? Not trying to be antagonizing. Just curious.
post edited by Clayman31 - 2021/01/08 19:04:42
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 19:04:28
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The problem lies in the fact that the vRAM is erroneously hitting it's power limit & thusly the whole card is showing power limited when it's not actually hitting 500W. If you don't believe me, try underclocking your vRAM by -250MHz & witness how much more stable & higher you can go on your GPU Core clock before hitting PWR PerfCap. It's actually kinda ridiculous, I've seen up to 489W power draw while underclocking the vRAM & OC testing the core, in TimeSpy at least. With the vRAM at stock, I can't get higher than around 473W, and only in that test, almost every game/benchmark besides that doesn't go much past 450W no matter what I do, unless I underclock the vRAM.
For now I'm still running my OC/undervolt of 2040MHz @ 1000mV on the core, it's completely stable in Cyberpunk 2077 for hours of play, and results in cooler than stock temps, with better than stock FPS, and I rarely see power limit as a )PerfCap reason due to the lower power draw by undervolting.
For reference, at stock, the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid typically boosts to 1890-1935MHz depending on temperature etc, usually sitting right around the 1920MHz mark, so my settings are basically a 120MHz OC (or stock clocks on a Kingpin card), with only 1000mV to the core, instead of the 1058-1075mV stock runs at.
Pretty sure almost every 3090 FTW3 Hybrid should be able to run 2040 @ 1000mV, so I highly recommend giving it a try... if it's unstable, bump it down to 2025MHz.
Speaking of Undervolting, has anyone noticed that even if you save a profile in Afterburner, the clock setting can randomly change itself after rebooting sometimes, and even occasionally while Windows is running, resulting in you having to re-set the MHz/voltage curve to get it at what you want it to be at again? I think this is an unfortunate bi-product of Afterburner's Ampere support still being in "beta".
The problem is it's not the memory power limit at all that's throttling you! The memory power limit is 121W (default), 130W (max TDP), and I don't think you're reaching that. However I have seen on the Founder's Edition cards is that Memory and PCIE slot shunts are linked to each other, meaning PCIE throttling can cause memory power draw to skyrocket (due to power balancing fail). Take a screenshot of your GPUZ with MVDDC set to "max" in the column and see if you're reaching 121W. If you're not, it's not the memory rail that's throttling you. It could simply be underclocking the memory also lowers the PCIE power draw (remember what I just told you about how MVDDC and PCIE slot shunts are linked?). https://i.imgur.com/FAKrSJL.jpg
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 20:28:52
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So I tried the 500w bios, & ran the superposition benchmark the GPU uses around 490w with highs slightly above 500w and lows of about 485w, drops to 470's when the scene changes. OC settings for this test were +669 memory, +120 core, +100 voltage, 119% power limit, seems, temp 75c @ 100 fan speed. GPU clock during benchmark was around 1980mhz question: I didn't save my original BIOS, and flashed the OC bios onto the Normal jumper switch position Bios, I downloaded the original bios from the 1st page of this thread and re-flashed it. But in GPU-Z the bios version shows 94.02.26.48.15 with a 420-450W PL, is this correct? I thought the Default Normal Bios PL was 400w PL, and the Default OC Bios was 450w PL, I redownloaded the original normal and OC bioses and re-flashed them to the right position jumper switch, but the only thing that seems different between the normal and OC is the bios# normal is 15 OC is 16. is this correct? anyway see attached GPU-Z screenshot from the Superposition Benchmark while using the 500W bios (right click and open link in new tab too see the bigger picture) edit: just tried some gaming, and I'm pulling very close to 500W all the time when not CPU limited that is and gpu load is maxed. So yea at least in my case it seems the 500W bios works. The air cooler is not enough to keep the temps in line even at 100% fan speed at 500w and the clocks drop below 2000mhz and temp settles around 75c. in the end you just use way more power for pretty much the same performance. My GPU is the china 2012, and I'm using the Corsair HX1000i PSU with a seperate 8 pin cable for each plug.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 20:49:15
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I love watching all the self-proclaimed pros jockeying for who has the best answer for as what the actual problem is.  Ever consider a job at EVGA as a engineer to rectify the problem?
This is Mostly a User to User support Forum Everyone is entitled to express their opinion as to what they believe is Helpful or can challenge the wisdom given - but its best to say why you think their information is inaccurate & your source of data to convince members that your point is worth considering The Beta BIOS is Not officially supported ... use at your own risk ... results Not guaranteed
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 21:25:22
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Your situation may be an outlier? Or maybe mine is, but I play cyberpunk at +1300 Ram and 2050 core all day long. The card will only draw the watts when it needs it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 21:31:28
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Your situation may be an outlier? Or maybe mine is, but I play cyberpunk at +1300 Ram and 2050 core all day long. The card will only draw the watts when it needs it.
I can guarantee you that clocking ur ram to 1300+ is losing you fps. Try around 850-1000 in games and see ur fps jump.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 21:33:19
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Your wrong dude - I am getting 200fps in cod Cold War at 4K 21:9. I don’t think I have seen anyone getting that many frames in that game at 4K
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/08 21:39:04
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It’s funny to me how kingpin lays out exactly how he goes about over clocking his cards in a YouTube video yet people don’t even pay attention. The same method can be used for all evga cards nit just a kingpin card. Anyway, good luck with your overclocking.
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