Notchy44

evgablee
Your situation may be an outlier? Or maybe mine is, but I play cyberpunk at +1300 Ram and 2050 core all day long. The card will only draw the watts when it needs it.

I can guarantee you that clocking ur ram to 1300+ is losing you fps. Try around 850-1000 in games and see ur fps jump. 

On my FTW3 Ultra cards, I kept increasing the VRAM overclock until the benchmark scores dropped.  Two of the three cards were stable and still increasing benchmark scores with VRAM Overclocks above +1,100 MHz.  One didn't have benchmark scores drop until the VRAM OC was above +1,250 MHz.  
 
You can't say that anyone is getting lower FPS with fast VRAM overclocks.  Maybe his VRAM is better than mien and +1,300 actually works.  Who knows?
 
Of course I'd say that maybe he should start lower and keep going up to test it to see where the limit is.

JLerch

LegendOfSomething
Does any one know why when running a heavy raytracing game, it draws more power? Does it have to do with the core or vram over clock? My undervolt OC holds 2000mhz when up to temps at any non rt game with +750 mem, but when i play a game with Ray tracing, I start bumping power limit again and drops my clocks to 1900ish. Does ray tracing  games use more vram and cause the added power draw making me hit power limit?  Thanks

I am by no means an expert, but I do remember reading somewhere that RT does increase vram usage quite a bit. So makes sense that there could be a higher power draw.

That could definitely make sense especially because people have been avoiding power limit just by down clocking vram also. interesting.

RaulKodrum

krs360

DarkEch0es
Maybe I’m not understanding the first post on the page correctly, but is there no link to the original OC BIOS for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid? All I see is the Normal BIOS and the XOC BIOS.

 
Toward the bottom of his post there's two bioses for your card normal and oc just refer to the switch position on the card. XOC bios is further up.

Those two pair of BIOS are not for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid and thus, when you try to install them the installer says there is no hardware present that matches the BIOS requirement.
 
Another one here looking for the default BIOS pair for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid.
 
Any help would be much appreciated...

Contact EVGA directly for the VBIOSs: https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/

arestavo

RaulKodrum

krs360

DarkEch0es
Maybe I’m not understanding the first post on the page correctly, but is there no link to the original OC BIOS for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid? All I see is the Normal BIOS and the XOC BIOS.

 
Toward the bottom of his post there's two bioses for your card normal and oc just refer to the switch position on the card. XOC bios is further up.

Those two pair of BIOS are not for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid and thus, when you try to install them the installer says there is no hardware present that matches the BIOS requirement.
 
Another one here looking for the default BIOS pair for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid.
 
Any help would be much appreciated...

Contact EVGA directly for the VBIOSs: https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/

I did already and am waiting for a reply, but I was hoping someone on here would have a copy of the BIOS.

Notchy44

03GLI

Notchy44

03GLI

will999999999
I think my card is fine but I don't want to put this BIOS on it because of the plethora of issues people are having in this thread. My card easily hits its original 450W limit fine in benchmarks and heavy games and my PCI-e slot usually hovers around 77W. I would just feel better about EVGA acknowledging some of these issues and providing an new BIOS at some point soon. My card already overclocks pretty well (+140 core / +550 mem) so I really want to see what it can do with the limit raised. I suppose I couldn't hurt anything trying it but I'd rather wait for a new version.

Air cooler is not enough for 500W, you will get nothing more out of it without exotic cooling.
with the Air cooler I suggest undervolting the GPU for better Overclocks , decreased power draw, and lower temperatures.
If you don't mind me asking what is you core clock in game/benchmark while hitting 450w power draw and what is the temperature.

Not true at all... Air cooled is fine with 500w. I saw a 500 point increase with this bios when I was on air. Temps raised to 70c but well under what I was comfortable with. Will you see a much higher score on water? Yes see my post above when I went to the hybrid cooler. 

hmm. I can't get temps below 75 @ 500w with fans at 100%
I get better results and higher clocks when I undervolt the GPU and limit power draw. obviously I can't achieve a maximum possible OC that way but at least the core clock does not drop due to thermals. I should probably pull the cooler and replace the TIM

Do you have bottom fans blowing cold air up into the card? Seems like that was a BIG help for me. In games at 4k I would never see above 70c at 85% fan speed. Benchmarking I had a avg of around 63c at 100% fan speed on air. Here is a link to my best air cooled vs Hybrid cooled. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/754467/pr/735792

No fan on bottom, I reversed the fan on the side to push air into the case had it set as exhaust, increased the RPM on my 2 140mm intake fans in front and took the dust filter out, and increased the rpm on 140mm fans rad fans on top and the 140mm exhaust on the back. Temps dropped but not by much down to around 72c under load and 100% fan speed while pulling 500w, even with the window open and the case open next to the window I'm not seeing that much of an improvement maybe down to around 67c, going to have to pull the cooler and see ow the TIM is.
On another note I've been voltage curve overclocking and hit a sweet spot of 925MV with a constant clock of 2010mhz, and +669 memory, played RDR2 & cyberpunk for a few hours and no problems. GPU is pulling an average of 50-100w less than with the default voltage curve and temps settle at around 65c at 80% fan speed. If I could get the gpu to run a bit cooler maybe I could try for 900mv and below while trying for a constant 2010mhz clock and 1000GB/s bandwidth.
What TIM is recommended, I haven't done a cooler in a while and have no Idea what's good these days.

mjemirzian2

Clayman31

mjemirzian2
Got a FTW3 Ultra that had the same limiting problems with the 500w bios. Flashed the XOC bios as suggested and performance improved greatly. Got +134 core and +850 mem in MSI AB. Not bad for being on air. Since I can't seem to post links:
 
Time Spy Score 19 276 with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090(1x) and Intel Core i9-7900X Processor
Graphics Score    21 640
CPU Score    11 906

Port Royal 14 367 with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090(1x) and Intel Core i9-7900X Processor
Graphics Score    14 367

You had problems with the 500w XOC bios so you flashed...what bios? The 1000w bios?

I first tried the 500w FTW3 Ultra bios available in the first post, then switched to the XC3 bios. I don't think I'll be trying the 1000w bios.
Think I got the XOC and XC3 names confused.

Oh wow so the XC3 bios allows you to pull 500w as well? I didn't know that.

In port royal i score 14250 with my ftw3 ultra out of the box on air and its a normal score for the normal bios on this card with the switch at oc position. No need any other things. 
 
 If you do something to increase really then you will get a score at around 15 000 in port royal so dont talk your card is super performing with a normal score of 14 300. That's it dude.

evgablee
Your situation may be an outlier? Or maybe mine is, but I play cyberpunk at +1300 Ram and 2050 core all day long. The card will only draw the watts when it needs it.

It's not an outlier, the majority of 3090 owners in this thread are reporting it.  Check your draw, if you're actually seeing 500W, ever, you're one of the lucky ones.
 

Clayman31
 
Does the 1000w Kingpin bios solve this issue by giving the vram more power? And if this is the case, then why does my card show 470w to 500w continuous draw depending on the game and yours does not? Not trying to be antagonizing. Just curious.

I'm not going to void my warranty just to try that BIOS, much as I'd love to see if either the 520W or 1000W BIOS fixes it, not gonna risk my card's warranty for it.
 
 

Dabadger84

evgablee
Your situation may be an outlier? Or maybe mine is, but I play cyberpunk at +1300 Ram and 2050 core all day long. The card will only draw the watts when it needs it.

It's not an outlier, the majority of 3090 owners in this thread are reporting it.  Check your draw, if you're actually seeing 500W, ever, you're one of the lucky ones.
 

Clayman31
 
Does the 1000w Kingpin bios solve this issue by giving the vram more power? And if this is the case, then why does my card show 470w to 500w continuous draw depending on the game and yours does not? Not trying to be antagonizing. Just curious.

I'm not going to void my warranty just to try that BIOS, much as I'd love to see if either the 520W or 1000W BIOS fixes it, not gonna risk my card's warranty for it.
 
 

The kingpin bios does not void your warranty, as quoted from EVGA terms of service from an earlier post. The PX1 firmware also wouldn't brick the FTW3, at it has a bios switch. Could just switch to the second bios.

BaDBoY_uK

Dabadger84
When others have messed around with other BIOSes, PX1 did try to update Firmware, so if you're going to mess with a BIOS not meant for your card, definitely don't launch PX1 as it will try to flash your card with a firmware that's not meant for it, and possibly brick your card... and if eVGA gets it as an RMA & notices it's firmware is wrong, they will reject your RMA.

Good advice, thanks.
 
One question - what's the difference between BIOS and firmware when it comes to graphics cards?

Firmware controls fans LEDs etc, BIOS controls clocks/voltages, or something to that effect.  And I should've said "they might reject your RMA", that's not a for certain thing.
 
And someone can say the TOS or whatever says they wouldn't reject a warranty claim from running that BIOS, until someone RMAs a card with the 1000W BIOS on a non-Kingpin card & eVGA actually allows the RMA, I won't believe it.  I will always be on the side of caution when it comes to that stuff, at the end of the day, it's your card, if you're comfortable doing it, give it a try.  I wouldn't.

seems like a lottery. 3090 ftw3 ultra hybrid.
 
i used the bios on the first page the 3rd one and it just works. EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 HYBRID = 3090 ftw3 ultra hybrid ? 

 
mines made in taiwan.
 
15K port royal
 
hxxps://www.3dmark.com/3dm/56519558

Clayman31

Dabadger84

BaDBoY_uK

Dabadger84
When others have messed around with other BIOSes, PX1 did try to update Firmware, so if you're going to mess with a BIOS not meant for your card, definitely don't launch PX1 as it will try to flash your card with a firmware that's not meant for it, and possibly brick your card... and if eVGA gets it as an RMA & notices it's firmware is wrong, they will reject your RMA.

Good advice, thanks.
 
One question - what's the difference between BIOS and firmware when it comes to graphics cards?

Firmware controls fans LEDs etc, BIOS controls clocks/voltages, or something to that effect.  And I should've said "they might reject your RMA", that's not a for certain thing.
 
And someone can say the TOS or whatever says they wouldn't reject a warranty claim from running that BIOS, until someone RMAs a card with the 1000W BIOS on a non-Kingpin card & eVGA actually allows the RMA, I won't believe it.  I will always be on the side of caution when it comes to that stuff, at the end of the day, it's your card, if you're comfortable doing it, give it a try.  I wouldn't.

Fair enough, but doesn't that mean that people with FTW3 cards that flashed the XC3 bios onto their cards will be out of warranty as well? They are running a bios that was not designed for their card.
 

The Kingpin 1000W VBIOS voids the Kingpin warranty per EVGA (that's why you have to request it with your Kingpin S/N from Kingpin himself - it has always been that way), why would you think it wouldn't void the FTW3s if EVGA found out you flashed it (by your own admission here on the forums or if you sent your card back with that VBIOS flashed)? As for the XC3 VBIOS - it should not since it's not an unlocked VBIOS like the Kingpin 1000W and because of EVGA's own policy for dual VBIOS cards (also, don't use PX1 with it because it will try to flash the XC3 MCU firmware, which may brick the MCU - use AB instead, and if you want to see the other sensors, use GPU-Z): https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/ "Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on Products that do not have a Multiple BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void."

Kylearan

https://i.imgur.com/FAKrSJL.jpg

Never heard from this Tool!?
Downloadlink???

Because they haven't taken the time to put it up yet...
 
It's really not that hard to make a copy of your BIOS with GPUz before flashing, and if you ever want to flash it back to stock, use NVFlash.
The difference between using NVFlash & using the tool eVGA provides to flash the BIOS is literally 1 extra step (I.E. typing "nvflash64 -6 *InsertBIOSNameHere*" without the quotes your your bios.rom name is in the **s) - it's easy enough that even I, who hates messing with things like that, have done it... I went back to the stock 3090 BIOS for a while and now I once again have the "Normal" XOC BIOS on my OC BIOS switch position, because it allows 0 RPM mode on the onboard GPU fan, which I prefer because why have that fan spinning when the card is idle (at 22C no less, Mem & VRM temps are in the high 20s/low 30s at idle, with the fan OFF, so it doesn't need to be on when idle, I don't know why eVGA didn't allow 0 RPM mode on the OC BIOS of this card)

Dabadger84
Because they haven't taken the time to put it up yet...
 
It's really not that hard to make a copy of your BIOS with GPUz before flashing, and if you ever want to flash it back to stock, use NVFlash.
The difference between using NVFlash & using the tool eVGA provides to flash the BIOS is literally 1 extra step (I.E. typing "nvflash64 -6 *InsertBIOSNameHere*" without the quotes your your bios.rom name is in the **s) - it's easy enough that even I, who hates messing with things like that, have done it... I went back to the stock 3090 BIOS for a while and now I once again have the "Normal" XOC BIOS on my OC BIOS switch position, because it allows 0 RPM mode on the onboard GPU fan, which I prefer because why have that fan spinning when the card is idle (at 22C no less, Mem & VRM temps are in the high 20s/low 30s at idle, with the fan OFF, so it doesn't need to be on when idle, I don't know why eVGA didn't allow 0 RPM mode on the OC BIOS of this card)

The thing is that I did not bother to backup my own default BIOS because I thought the default BIOS was posted in the first post, only to find out after flashing that the ones for my card were missing (I know, already a lesson learned, always backup your BIOS prior flashing). 
 
Anyway, I will do exactly as you say and flash the normal XOC BIOS on my OC BIOS position, since that is the one I flashed with the OC XOC BIOS and I also do not like the fact that the minimum fan value is hard-coded to 40%, so don't feel like using it in a daily basis.
 
Thanks either way for your response.