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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 09:54:36
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I have a made in China 2012 serial number FTW3 Ultra and with the 500 watt XOC BIOS the card won't hit 450 watts in either PC I tested it in. That's using an EVGA 1300 watt G2 power supply or a Seasonic 850 watt power supply.
Have you tried Furmark or any of blender benchmarks?
I tried Furmark. I tried MSI Kombustor. I've tried various 3D rendering benchmarks. I've tried various games that others here say maxes the power limit on their cards. Nothing at all worked and got it anywhere close to 500 watts. The card hits 84-86 watts on the PCIEx16 slot power draw and the 8 pin connectors don't increase in power. Its the same issue that many others have had with their cards.
In the same PC my MSI Gaming X Trio with the EVGA XOC BIOS hits 485-500 watts power draw easily.
It's the PCIE load balancing issue faced by EVGA 3090's and I'm not positive but I've heard Kingpin might also be affected (could be mistaken) pointed out by Frame Chasers recently (I don't understand the downvotes on his video, this is a real issue, FTW3 and all 3090's limited to 450w because of PCIE load balancing). https://youtu.be/Lmd48SVbXso In this regard a FTW3 isn't any better than the cheaper XC3 as they are both limited to 450w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 10:25:07
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OPTIMUS WATER BLOCK INSTALLED!!!!
Ok so here where my best air cooling on port royal. Thats all i have done testing so far,,, So on air the best I was getting was +175 GPU and +275 MEM no boost lock on 500 watt bios. Tried the XC3 bios but changed nothing on my score which led me to believe my card was throttling. GPUZ showed a high of 84C and a power draw high of 485 Watts [for port royal. I was able to hit 500+ peaks on other more demanding games so I dont feel I was power limited. My systems is threadripper 3 24 core on 4.35 all core boost (not a gaming CPU obviously, probable costs me about 200 to 300 points on 3dmark) asrock tiachi MB and dd4 at 3666 14T mem locked to 1:1 infinity fabric. So best score i ever got on a port was 13950.
So in goes Optimus!!!!
SOOOOOOOO HEAT LIMITED ON AIR!!!!!!
Mem went to +375 GPU went to +200 WITH BOOST LOCK ON.... 14547!!!!!! A 600 point Increase!@!!!!!!
So this is what i noticed. Not a good paste job on the GPU or quality paste and thermal pads when i took off the cooler. I did use liquid metal instead of kryonout. My temps max out at 40C. My power draw dropped to about 455 watts so the fans take about 12-15 watts per fan!!!! Will try the xc3 bios to see if it makes a difference since heat is out of the equation.
So bottom line.... IMO I think we are dealing with thermal throttling that keeps these cards from hitting power limits. On air i noticed throttling starting at 60C with big time throttling above 70C. And i was hitting 84C.
By card has red lips and 14 on the serial number
Will up date when i have time to play with it more.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 18:41:24
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So does the 500 watt bios work or not ? Becu the board pcie power limit?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 18:51:01
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I recently purchased the 3090ftw3 Ultra and have some general questions about overclocking and expected performance boost (FPS) while gaming. and also to see if getting the 500w bios is worth it for gaming. not really into benchmarking scores just FPS in games.
I currently have the Bios Switch set to the stock OC bios and have overclocked and stress tested the GPU with an overclock of +248 memory and +105 core, voltage is at 0, power target at 107% temp target at 91c. This setting pretty much keeps in game clocks at at around 2025mhz with some highs of 2055mhz and and lows of 1995mhz. fan curve is custom with the middle 2 points deleted (70 degrees = 80% fan speed) card settles at around 72 degrees at full load.
Problem is I'm not seeing big FPS improvements maybe like 10 more FPS.
At these settings the GPU at full load is pulling around 430-445W total board power draw, and PCie slot power at 66-70W, I pushed the clocks even higher 669/150 and upped the voltage to 100 but while it's stable in game it's not making any more difference in FPS maybe 1 or 2 more at the most
Is this because I'm hitting the power wall?
If I get the 500w Bios can I expect another 10 fps out of an overclock?
Not sure if the power draw is worth the small increase in FPS over stock OC bios, for example If I use the stock OC bios and keep the power target at 100 and clocks and voltage at +0 I get 10 fps less in games than with the overclock with around 1905mhz core clock, but the board Power draw is around 380-400W, PCIe slot power 62-66W at full load, and temps are below 70 degrees with the same fan curve.
Is there a reason I'm not seeing Bigger performance increases from overclocking? my last GPU was a 1080Ti strix, overclocked to 2200mhz and the performance increase from the overclock in gaming FPS was way more than with the 3090.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 18:59:51
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Heat. Heat heat. Thats whats holding the card back. What good is it throwing more power on it if it throttles itself. Even if your not going to water cool it may be worth it to repaste and replace the pads with som fuji poly
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 19:02:08
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Like I said I was able to hit 500. So for me it works. It add 400 points at the time when it came out. But the stock cool can barely handle it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 19:23:43
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ok thanks, that's a pretty low temp to be throttling at, I might reapply the cooler with new TIM, but I doubt that will do anything certainly not keep temps under 60 degrees, and I'm not looking to go 100% fan speed for gaming. Bummer seems like the FTW3 Ultra doesn't really have much OC headroom on stock Air cooler just increased power draw with minimal performance Improvements. not sure the air cooled ultra is a 1799$ GPU, the factory Overclock is nice but I'm sure it's nothing that can't be achieved on the cheaper options. In that Case might aswell just keep it at the stock OC bios settings and call it a day.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 20:45:36
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Can't believe people are still buying these bunk cards and EVGA are still happy to sell them with all the info they have.
Ive changed back to my old Gigabyte Eagle with 2 pins which performs better than the EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming... will never buy another EVGA card again and will do everything i can do convince others to do the same.
They won't even RMA my card because apparently its working fine. Morons.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 20:58:53
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What is it with your card that was advertised that you did not get???? 500 watts wasn't advertised. A specific port royal score wasn't advertised... so what's wrong with the cards????
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 21:05:30
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for me something is wrong. I've a 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming, using PrecisionX powertarget at 119%, Clock +140 Mem +1000, never get over 1950 Mhz, checked with Gpu Z the maximum board power draw I got was 385 W Temps at 60°C and this is with the OC Bios on it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 21:55:48
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What is it with your card that was advertised that you did not get???? 500 watts wasn't advertised. A specific port royal score wasn't advertised... so what's wrong with the cards????
115 pages to go through mate go nuts its all there from 80+w PCIE draws to pin3 doing **** all. The fact that the XC3 bios performs better than the XOC bios on a FTW3 Ultra shows they have no idea what they are doing with this gen. We are beta testers and these cards are rubbish. Won't even get started on the poor guys who got stuck with the bunk Kingpins... I'll say it again, My much cheaper 2 pin Eagle OC performs better with a 390w bios than the 3 pin FTW3 Ultra on the XOC bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 21:56:58
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for me something is wrong. I've a 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming, using PrecisionX powertarget at 119%, Clock +140 Mem +1000, never get over 1950 Mhz, checked with Gpu Z the maximum board power draw I got was 385 W Temps at 60°C and this is with the OC Bios on it.
Flash the XC3 bios on your card, might fix it but unfortunetly you wont be able to see an accurate power draw unless you take it from the wall.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 22:27:24
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 Was able to get over 500 Watt with beta bios, but many times I could not, I think EVGA Precision X1 is the culprit. Sometimes it takes the settings sometimes it does not, weird. With Precision X1 Open, set to Max Power, Temp and Voltage - max board power draw 513.5 W, max PCI Slot Power 89.1 W. sometimes doing exactly the same above and I could not get the power to max out. No mods done, just got the card today, it has the black lips.  How do I put a ****ing clear pic on this forum? beter quality pic at (spaced out so it does not get pulled off) h t t p s : / / i m g u r . c o m /gallery/wiS7Wz6
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 22:35:08
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I recently purchased the 3090ftw3 Ultra and have some general questions about overclocking and expected performance boost (FPS) while gaming. and also to see if getting the 500w bios is worth it for gaming. not really into benchmarking scores just FPS in games.
I currently have the Bios Switch set to the stock OC bios and have overclocked and stress tested the GPU with an overclock of +248 memory and +105 core, voltage is at 0, power target at 107% temp target at 91c. This setting pretty much keeps in game clocks at at around 2025mhz with some highs of 2055mhz and and lows of 1995mhz. fan curve is custom with the middle 2 points deleted (70 degrees = 80% fan speed) card settles at around 72 degrees at full load.
Problem is I'm not seeing big FPS improvements maybe like 10 more FPS.
At these settings the GPU at full load is pulling around 430-445W total board power draw, and PCie slot power at 66-70W, I pushed the clocks even higher 669/150 and upped the voltage to 100 but while it's stable in game it's not making any more difference in FPS maybe 1 or 2 more at the most
Is this because I'm hitting the power wall?
If I get the 500w Bios can I expect another 10 fps out of an overclock?
Not sure if the power draw is worth the small increase in FPS over stock OC bios, for example If I use the stock OC bios and keep the power target at 100 and clocks and voltage at +0 I get 10 fps less in games than with the overclock with around 1905mhz core clock, but the board Power draw is around 380-400W, PCIe slot power 62-66W at full load, and temps are below 70 degrees with the same fan curve.
Is there a reason I'm not seeing Bigger performance increases from overclocking? my last GPU was a 1080Ti strix, overclocked to 2200mhz and the performance increase from the overclock in gaming FPS was way more than with the 3090.
10 more FPS is about what you should expect from a mild overclock and the first power limit bump. That's standard fare. No, a higher power target won't give you another 10 FPS. These cards basically scale logarithmically on power limit increases, not linearly. The power scaling goes up DRASTICALLY compared to any framerate improvement once you pass 450W, as all you're doing at that point is stopping the card from dropping a few 15 mhz block steps down, which is a couple of percent at best. At that point, your gains will be purely on if you can increase core clocks or not. Being able to do 210 mhz core (and not get throttled) might be worth another 10 mhz. But you aren't going to be doing +210 core game stable without a NVVDD/MSVDD voltage increase and some custom loop cooling. Absolutely not on air. You may see an improvement in benchmarks, but that's it. Plus, increasing the power limit continuously will just add tons more heat to the card, making it downclock from heat instead from bouncing off the power limit. You need top tier cooling in order to control both. We're talking custom loops/chilled water or subzero here.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/06 22:38:43
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From all my research, the problem is on the actual PCB layout of the ftw3 card not the software or bios. People with asus strix, msi, and gigabytes are flashing this bios and getting 500-550 watts steady. Idk what evga is doing but they have power load balancing issues on this card making it impossible to get 500 watts or more even with flashing the xoc bios. Something to do with them using a 10 amp fuse on the pcie shunt instead of a 20 amp fuse like competitors? So you can draw only 110 watts vs 220 watts. Incredibly poor design and honestly screws everyone who got the ultra? Why pay an additional price if we can’t even use the third power slot as it is meant to be used. The xc3 outperforms this card in its current state and is significantly cheaper. Seems like evga has dropped the ball this generation bad which sucks because I’ve been waiting for this card in the step up que for 5 months and am about to receive it. I’ll most likely be selling it and trying to get a strix.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 02:51:29
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Well for me it's working out like this. My 2014 card had no issues with getting to the 500w (or there abouts) power limit but this 2012 replacement is basically the same between the stock and XOC bios. Sometimes see it peak at 470 ish for a second but then it's pulled back hard. Temps about 60 OC.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 05:42:44
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Again.... someone point me where it says on the box or web page where they stated 500 watts draw.... or a guarantee of an overclock result. I just remember 1800 mhz stock.. ;) since when is a company garbage for not overclocking to ur expectations. As for the load balancing... I'm sure they implemented it to prevent rmas under warranty.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 06:30:04
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Again.... someone point me where it says on the box or web page where they stated 500 watts draw.... or a guarantee of an overclock result. I just remember 1800 mhz stock.. ;) since when is a company garbage for not overclocking to ur expectations. As for the load balancing... I'm sure they implemented it to prevent rmas under warranty.
Who's saying EVGA are garbage? I added my information to this thread as there is a difference between the two cards that I've received and considering their spec and production is meant to be identical, it seems a little off to me. I think what annoys people is that, generally speaking EVGA cards come at a premium cost and the EVGA bios works on cards it's not even intended for, yet it doesn't work on the intended product reliably. Hopefully there will be an update do this soon. even if it's just a "we can't fix this via a bios update" or "we're working on one"
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 06:42:40
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Again.... someone point me where it says on the box or web page where they stated 500 watts draw.... or a guarantee of an overclock result. I just remember 1800 mhz stock.. ;) since when is a company garbage for not overclocking to ur expectations. As for the load balancing... I'm sure they implemented it to prevent rmas under warranty.
Who's saying EVGA are garbage?
I added my information to this thread as there is a difference between the two cards that I've received and considering their spec and production is meant to be identical, it seems a little off to me.
I think what annoys people is that, generally speaking EVGA cards come at a premium cost and the EVGA bios works on cards it's not even intended for, yet it doesn't work on the intended product reliably. Hopefully there will be an update do this soon. even if it's just a "we can't fix this via a bios update" or "we're working on one"
There are pages on this thread of people calling them garbage. All I know is that I liked calling a US office and getting a live person to discuss an issue instead of waiting 2 days for an email response.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 08:01:01
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Flash the XC3 bios on your card, might fix it but unfortunetly you wont be able to see an accurate power draw unless you take it from the wall.
will check it out. So far I've tried multiple settings. confirmed that in gpu-z the bios flash worked new max power target is 119 % however, I think precision x1 is the culprit. Will check it out with afterburner now. But somehow I think the settings von precision x1 are not applied. The thing is during port royal, the power target in PX1 does not get over 107 %. However I did not read through all these pages, but it clearly seems that there is a problem, hope someone from EVGA looks in to it, it can't be that they release a XOC BIOS but then it doesn't work as it should and they don't respond to the problems. EDIT: another thing I've found out. Shut the pc down, switched to the normal bios (not flashed) started the pc again and checked in GPUZ. Power target still at 119% same in PX1 and afterburner. Something is off.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 08:16:54
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for me something is wrong. I've a 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming, using PrecisionX powertarget at 119%, Clock +140 Mem +1000, never get over 1950 Mhz, checked with Gpu Z the maximum board power draw I got was 385 W Temps at 60°C and this is with the OC Bios on it.
Flash the XC3 bios on your card, might fix it but unfortunetly you wont be able to see an accurate power draw unless you take it from the wall.
Hello there. Wondering how you go about flashing the 3090 XC3 bios to the 3090 FTW3 UG cards? My NVflash throws errors about PCI Subsystems. Does this need to be overridden somehow or do I need to do something else? Would you mind linking/pming me the bios link? the only one I could find is on TechPowerup and the XC3 is a 2 x pcie connector card, right? edit: forgot the -6 flag. Thanks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 09:44:01
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Again.... someone point me where it says on the box or web page where they stated 500 watts draw.... or a guarantee of an overclock result. I just remember 1800 mhz stock.. ;) since when is a company garbage for not overclocking to ur expectations. As for the load balancing... I'm sure they implemented it to prevent rmas under warranty.
I think the point some are trying to make is that the Ultra is supposed to be a premium product, and in the past generations of GPUs it was, came with better power phases, beefier coolers, and could achieve overclocks on air above the competition so the price increase was worth it. the 3090 FTW3 Ultra is almost a $2000 GPU after taxes it has a huge air cooler and factory 1800mhz clock which is great but for the most part you can buy a GPU $200-$300 cheaper and get the same performance out of it with a couple of mouse button clicks, and in some cases achieve even a higher clock under load since other GPUs can handle the increased power draw. I mean just look at the 3090 strix for same price, and you even get another HDMI 2.1 port.... In my case I'm able to hit 450w power draw with the default OC bios and am only seeing around 66W PCIe power draw under load with some hits up to 70W here and there. it's hard to swallow the $300 premium over the competition for the same performance in the end. For a premium like that the Ultra should only be available in the Watercooled version and reliably be able to draw 500+W power draw.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 10:55:08
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Literally what do you think the point of the ftw3 ultra is?
Why do you think they added an extra power port?
It’s meant to provide more power draw so that the card can be overclocked further. The biggest limit when overclocking is available power and cooling.
You see this is an overclock thread. So if you don’t understand how oc’ing works and you don’t plan to learn then maybe you should find another thread to talk about your card and questions.
The memory clock is something that can be changed easily in the precision app so if you’re spending an additional $250 for that, that’s insane lol. Like wow I can’t even begin.
It is because of poor pcb design and evga dropping the ball this generation that essentially has screwed all ftw3 ultra owners. We bought this card for the additional power and the opportunity to overclock further.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 11:38:36
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something is clearly really wrong, isn't the normal power target 45d0 watt? and with the xoc it should be 500 right? Well this is what I got, +160 clock + 1150 mem power target 119 %. Don't know what's happening, 
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2021/01/07 11:41:40
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Is it possible to beat this GPU-Score https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/56086998 with a FTW3 without Shunt-Mod? And is it possible to use the "Classified Tool" on a FTW3 with KP-BIOS?
post edited by Dwayne_Johnson - 2021/01/07 11:45:47
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wknowles
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 12:14:25
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No it’s not. You will never be able to get the power draw even with the KP bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/07 12:20:04
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Dwayne_Johnson
WOW!!! 
https://forum.aquacompute...090-ftw3-guten-rutsch/
Hmm that's quite a intresting design. Hope to see a comparison to ekwb passive backplate design. This might be good or just overkill/not needed? I have a 3080 but thinking about stepping up to 3090 and watercool it. So i might go for that one or a ekwb block + passive backplate. The Optimus seems is just to expensive to get + ship to eu anyway so this might be the best alternative option. Thank you for the link/info about that block! I already have a d5 + flow meter + their aquaro fan/pump/flow controller for years and never had issues with them. But I never used blocks from them. But sins this one cools the back side mem as well it can be better then ekwb option?
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