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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/25 11:25:43
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arestavo Here's a more complete guide/information that I've gathered: If you have a power limited 3090 FTW3 card like I do (power perfcap shown even at 390W in the Valley benchmark), the XC3 Ultra VBIOS (which I sometimes just refer to as XC3 or XC3 VBIOS) will open up your card. It bugs out the power readings (AB, GPU-Z, etc.), so total power draw isn't accurate - use a kilowatt meter or UPS reading to see the before/after results. You should use Afterburner (which I usually refer to as AB) instead of Precision X1 (which I refer to as PX1) since using the XC3 VBIOS will have PX1 wanting to flash the XC3 firmware to your FTW3 Microcontroller Unit (MCU - the fan controller / RGB controller) - which will likely cause fan / RGB control issues. This VBIOS WILL result in your card producing more heat because your card will be drawing more watts - on air my card got up to 78C at 100% fan speed, but with the hybrid kit it maxed out at 64C. The fans will likely act a bit buggy too - when at 100% fan speed they'll wind down and then ramp back up under load. I got around this by offloading my hybrid kit's radiator fans onto a fan controller. Why do this? Well, my card would usually game at 1920 to 1950Mhz with any VBIOS other than the XC3, and benchmarking would see a max average of 1996Mhz in Port Royal (on a good run). With the XC3 VBIOS, my card's GPU stays at 2100MHz while gaming, and benchmarking can see 2160+MHz in Port Royal. Quite the difference! Of note - this is not an unlocked VBIOS, so it like the kingpin 1000W "unlocked" VBIOS and because it is a dual VBIOS card. It just changes something on the card so that it doesn't downclock / undervolt itself to near stock levels of performance even with a hefty +200 GPU offset, like my card does. Likely something to do with the fixed voltage level analog controller that EVGA decided to use, and so it lowers my 77W PCIE slot power draw to the 66W (or lower) and likely the same for my VRAM (which is another reason the card will perfcap power). Also of note, the reason for using the XC3 VBIOS instead of some other 2 power pin VBIOS is because the display outputs (HDMI, DP) are the same between the XC3 and FTW3 - and thus will all work. Tools that you will need: (download the October 1st version, otherwise you won't have the nvflash64 executable - you might be able to use nvflash instead, and use "nvflash" instead of "nvflash64" as a command - I've not tested it)
1. Reset/remove any GPU/VRAM overclocks in AB (you shouldn't use PX1 for the reason stated in the first paragraph). Close AB completely (right click on the tray icon and choose Close). 2. Open command prompt in administrator mode. Windows key, type CMD, right click on Command Prompt, select Run as Administrator, choose Yes. 3. Navigate to where you unzipped NVflash and put the unzipped XC3 VBIOS. Open the folder and highlight the path bar and copy it (something like C:\Users\USERNAME\Desktop\nvflash ). Type, without quotes, "CD" a space (for Change Directory), then right click in the command prompt to paste the NVFlash folder. Press the Enter key to change the directory. 4. Backup your current VBIOS for later. Use the following command, without quotes, in command prompt to do so: "nvflash64 -b name.rom" (name can be whatever you want it to be WITHOUT spaces). Don't be alarmed when the screen blanks - that's just the driver being deactivated / reactivated in order for the tool to download the VBIOS. 5. Flash the XC3 Ultra VBIOS. Using the same command prompt window, and still without the quotation marks, type the following command: "nvflash64 -6 EVGA.RTX3090.24576.200902.rom" and press Enter. 6. When prompted, press "y" which will be asked twice. 7. When the process finishes (after some more screen blanking) reboot the PC when prompted to do so. 8. After windows loads again, it will reinstall the graphics driver. I highly recommend one more reboot. 9. Use AB and your benchmark / game of choice to find your new max overclock offsets. VRAM likely won't change, but your GPU offset likely will - and your card will likely be at a higher GPU clock speed than it ever was before even with a hefty overclock. To restore your backup VBIOS, simply repeat steps 1 through 5 (skipping 4), and use NAME.rom (whatever you named the file as). Or use any 3090 VBIOS, including the XOC or stock VBIOS, from .
I flashed the XC3 bios following the directions onto my card and now the power limiter is capped at 104%. Is that correct?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/25 12:09:02
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crisgt19 I flashed the XC3 bios following the directions onto my card and now the power limiter is capped at 104%. Is that correct?
From what I wrote: "It bugs out the power readings (AB, GPU-Z, etc.), so total power draw isn't accurate - use a kilowatt meter or UPS reading to see the before/after results." Yes, that is correct.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/25 12:10:22
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 01:29:21
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I check back a couple times a week or so to see if there has been any progress made. Sad to see we're still in limbo. I really feel like I got ripped off with some other cards being able to run basically unlimited power draw.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 08:11:45
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cerealkeller I check back a couple times a week or so to see if there has been any progress made. Sad to see we're still in limbo. I really feel like I got ripped off with some other cards being able to run basically unlimited power draw.
It's a beta bios What cards can run unlimited power draw ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 10:09:36
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2012 red lipped China card here, limited to around 415 on 500w bios changed to xc3 bios last night, card now working as originally intended added almost 1000 points to my port royal score. Ekwb Waterblock on preorder, cant wait its getting toasty in my case.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 10:33:18
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Are we voiding our warranty by flashing this bios bro?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 10:43:39
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ckelas Are we voiding our warranty by flashing this bios bro?
The XC3? It's not an unlocked VBIOS like the Kingpin 1000W VBIOS. Somehow it fixes the ratio issue on the card so that the PCIE slot draws less wattage (from 77W at stock down to 66W when overclocked for mine - if that reading is accurate). With EVGA allowing the flashing of other VBIOSs on the card, there shouldn't be an issue on the 2 VBIOS FTW3 per the warranty page - I'd just leave 1 VBIOS stock on the card: https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/ "Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on Products that do not have a Multiple BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void." Now, if only EVGA could produce an official fix for the affected cards we wouldn't have to use a workaround VBIOS to fix the ratio issue.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 10:46:11
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ckelas Are we voiding our warranty by flashing this bios bro?
The XC3? It's not an unlocked VBIOS like the Kingpin 1000W VBIOS. Somehow it fixes the ratio issue on the card so that the PCIE slot draws less wattage (from 77W at stock down to 66W when overclocked for mine - if that reading is accurate).
With EVGA allowing the flashing of other VBIOSs on the card, there shouldn't be an issue on the 2 VBIOS FTW3 per the warranty page - I'd just leave 1 VBIOS stock on the card: https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/
"Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on Products that do not have a Multiple BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void."
Now, if only EVGA could produce an official fix for the affected cards we wouldn't have to use a workaround VBIOS to fix the ratio issue.
Agreed. And thank you for the reply bro 🙏
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 15:12:52
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crisgt19 I flashed the XC3 bios following the directions onto my card and now the power limiter is capped at 104%. Is that correct?
No...should be 105% I'm on Stock Air Taiwan Card 2014 and Summer here, I can Game Cyberpunk 2077 and Metro Exodus ALL Ultra on my Acer Predator X34 at 3440x1440, as these cards go down when reach some Watts or Temperature, soon as it touches some of those it goes down to 2040 then mostly back to 2055. If I turn on the AC the it stays ALL the time at 2085. So I really hope that the Hybrid Kit I ordered helps on something as I'm seeing many guys with problems with it, mostly because instructions are bad and moreover the VRM zone has tinny thermalpads and a poor heatsink. I thinks I've been testing Games more than anyone on these thread and I found the XC3 to be the BEST BIOS to do so and also it's good NOT to use the BOOT LOCK, this will not heat the card so much. I compared with it ON and OFF and by far is more efficient to use BOOST LOCK OFF, again this is for gamming not for Benching. Cheers, Sergio!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 15:27:17
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changboy When i got my ftw3 ultra i put the xoc bios and never really tried my card with port royal with original bios. My port royal score with xoc bios is : 14 257 My port royal score with original bios : 14 264 lol My card still on air cooling and i never success to flash my card with other bios and always have error message : cant read the file or something like that hehehe, i dont know why but like i said i have a LSI sata card in port pcie 3 and i never try to remove it and try flashing my bios. So its seam the xoc bios dosent really increase my performance at all hahaha.
On Air you will get those variations of course, but XOC BIOS is the best for Benching without crapping the card with other BIOS. Of course fans at maximum, if possible Air Conditioning on the Room and Cool the Backplate with a Fan paralell to it NOT pointing to it like I see many do, air needs to be removed not pushed towards it, not even pull is effective. Cheers, Sergio!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 15:32:38
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crisgt19 I flashed the XC3 bios following the directions onto my card and now the power limiter is capped at 104%. Is that correct?
No...should be 105% ...
PX1 and AB read it differently because it's actually 104.6% according to GPU-Z. Apparently PX1 rounds up, and AB rounds down.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 16:10:31
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What is the interest for everyone about you update ur bios with the xc3 bios but never show is performance on port royal benchmark. This bring a big 0 of information. If you change ur bios with success post the performance of it or dont talk about it coz its useless for all people. Yup coz i saw just one guy who post is performance and all others dont talk about anything and a bit coz this this thread have so many page with just a bit of real info.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 16:18:18
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changboy What is the interest for everyone about you update ur bios with the xc3 bios but never show is performance on port royal benchmark. This bring a big 0 of information. If you change ur bios with success post the performance of it or dont talk about it coz its useless for all people. Yup coz i saw just one guy who post is performance and all others dont talk about anything and a bit coz this this thread have so many page with just a bit of real info.
Many people have, and have posted before and after results. Granted, there's a lot of posts to wade through - but they are there for those who want to know and have the patience to look. Here are mine, again: On air, XOC VBIOS: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/541625On air, XC3 VBIOS: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/541974 With a Hybrid cooler and XC3 VBIOS: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/645547
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 16:39:46
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So ur hybrid cooler bring nothing in term of performance on ur set-up ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 17:36:06
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Just a quote about XC3 BIOS for Gaming... I tried "Homefront The Revolution" Game, with ALL Settings at Very High and 1.25x Scale, 3440x1440 and it does look awesome, it's great to see how this beast of GPU moves games that were very difficult to run maxed before with other GPU's. I also tested "Quantum Break" and impressive how smooth it runs. But back again to "Homefront The Revolution" My room temp today is 27C no AC, Summer here and GPU is at 98% LOAD all the time, Temps 71C with ALL fans at 88%+ LOL, this game consumes more than Cyberpunk 2077 and Metro Exodus, the Clocks go down to 1925 to 1985....I cheched ALL ICX Sensors while gaming and they were ALL on 69C+, GPU at 71C and some PWR at 73C, that's a big reason for the jumps in clocks. ONLY if i put the Scale to Normal 1x then it goes back to 2055 to 2085 and GPU Load is 67% aprox. It's such a shame that this happens really, and this is BIOS XC3 first time I see this with this BIOS. Hope that the Hybrid Cooler improves this, it will take time to arrive to my country but I will continue reporting all I can on Air for now.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 17:45:46
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changboy So ur hybrid cooler bring nothing in term of performance on ur set-up ?
Gaming with the XC3 VBIOS on air - up to 78C and ~2040MHz. Gaming with the XC3 VBIOS with a hybrid cooler - 64C max and 2100Mhz locked (Cyberpunk 2077, 4K ultra RT preset).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 17:58:03
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Has anyone tried the KFA2 390W Bios? I have used the XC3 Bios as it’s been best so far but that tops out at 366w (Stock) so far KFA2 is highest 2 pin bios I have seen at 390w (Stock) wonder if that helps out the FTW3 more than XC3 bios?
Sorry if someone posted on this I’m on mobile and can’t figure out how to search the thread only the whole site.. How do we search just this thread? Thanks!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 18:01:32
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changboy So ur hybrid cooler bring nothing in term of performance on ur set-up ?
Gaming with the XC3 VBIOS on air - up to 78C and ~2040MHz. Gaming with the XC3 VBIOS with a hybrid cooler - 64C max and 2100Mhz locked (Cyberpunk 2077, 4K ultra RT preset).
Ya a bit better then but 64c with this hybrid cooler not a bit on the high side ? I thinking you can max at around 58c. It may depend where you put ur rad in ur set up. Me if i got that hybrid kit, before do my final installation of my rad i tried put just the rad in ice water inside a plastic bac and try to push for max score :). And sorry if i have not seen much bench of performance in previous page and it can happen i have miss to read some page. I'am not sure but with the original oc bios i think my fps a bit better in game versus the xoc bios but it can happen after play sometime the temp go higher on air with the xoc then drop more then the original bios. So all in all even with better bios we will limited by temp after some minutes in game, ya its good for 1 bench and seam better but at the end for gaming its not. For this i wait to have my waterblock to do real test coz just on air its a bit of waste of time.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 18:07:27
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changboy So ur hybrid cooler bring nothing in term of performance on ur set-up ?
Gaming with the XC3 VBIOS on air - up to 78C and ~2040MHz. Gaming with the XC3 VBIOS with a hybrid cooler - 64C max and 2100Mhz locked (Cyberpunk 2077, 4K ultra RT preset).
Ya a bit better then but 64c with this hybrid cooler not a bit on the high side ? I thinking you can max at around 58c. It may depend where you put ur rad in ur set up. Me if i got that hybrid kit, before do my final installation of my rad i tried put just the rad in ice water inside a plastic bac and try to push for max score :). And sorry if i have not seen much bench of performance in previous page and it can happen i have miss to read some page. I'am not sure but with the original oc bios i think my fps a bit better in game versus the xoc bios but it can happen after play sometime the temp go higher on air with the xoc then drop more then the original bios. So all in all even with better bios we will limited by temp after some minutes in game, ya its good for 1 bench and seam better but at the end for gaming its not. For this i wait to have my waterblock to do real test coz just on air its a bit of waste of time.
With the stock (or XOC VBIOS, since it doesn't draw more watts) - I'm sure it will be a lot cooler. But the XC3 VBIOS allows my card to pull 500W+ instead of topping out at 400 to 440W. And yes, my radiator setup is not ideal because I have a 360 radiator for the CPU up top. The FPS difference, at least at 4K, between the stock or XC3 VBIOS isn't massive. Nor is the FPS difference between a 400W 3090 massively greater than a 500W 3090. There is a reason why Nvidia didn't release a FE with a 500W VBIOS - diminishing returns. This is also why so many decide to undervolt their cards for 90% performance and massively reduced power draw. Power isn't a concern for me with my 1600W titanium PSU and cheap, hydroelectric power. Is it a waste of time? Maybe for you, maybe for some others. For me, it allowed me to change from Auto DLSS in Cyberpunk 2077 to Balanced and got rid of the weird swirlies that happened at crosswalks / other areas with straight lines in a row. It's worth it to me - if not for you, then good on you. Thanks for sharing and ciao.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/26 20:50:50
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I’m a little worried because on my stock card the pcie slot is reaching +82w anytime I game and other weird stuff happens. My hybrid cooler arrived but ill wait till I talk to evga after the holidays.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/27 07:10:11
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EvgaUser2711201 I’m a little worried because on my stock card the pcie slot is reaching +82w anytime I game and other weird stuff happens. My hybrid cooler arrived but ill wait till I talk to evga after the holidays.
I RMAd for that reason. The first card pulled 82W constantly with certain games with no overclock on the stock OC VBIOS, spikes over 86W. The RMA seems to top out around 77W with 80W spikes. Still technically out of spec (75W), at least it was much better. They'll likely tell you that it's fine, but for a stock card it most certainly is not, and this is why so many FTW3s cannot pull anywhere close to 500W on the 500W XOC VBIOS. Cards that can use the full 500W seem to top off around 66W PCIE power draw with no OC.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Benchmark scores started moving up again, thanks for the guide it helped a lot! Whew!! I feel free again
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Inestyne Benchmark scores started moving up again, thanks for the guide it helped a lot! Whew!! I feel free again
I see you have just 1 post and its mean nothing, feel free again to explain what you talking about :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/27 17:38:19
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Just why do i get the feeling that EVGA just don´t care ?! Nearing the 3300 post...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/27 18:31:47
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James said they are still working on it. Hopefully after the holidays we get an update!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/27 19:37:45
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The 3080TI will have 800 watt bios
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/28 07:45:14
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still deciding if the hbrid kit is worth it
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