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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/03 23:57:25
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markus_ke
Thx for your Video @Notchy44
I don't like him also.
i have Taiwan and a dark power pro 12 1500w Titanium.
So PSU is for sure not the problem. No Daisy Chain!
Sorry I bought this card for a legal 500w bios.
Of course i tested it in furmark. every time AVG 450w and peaks 460w.
So what we should all do? RMA the card :D
So the only thing is to hope it comes a new one in future.
Markus
Try furmark xtreme burn-in for 4~5min, you can get AVG 460w and peak 490+w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 00:34:27
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markus_ke
Thx for your Video @Notchy44
I don't like him also.
i have Taiwan and a dark power pro 12 1500w Titanium.
So PSU is for sure not the problem. No Daisy Chain!
Sorry I bought this card for a legal 500w bios.
Of course i tested it in furmark. every time AVG 450w and peaks 460w.
So what we should all do? RMA the card :D
So the only thing is to hope it comes a new one in future.
Markus
I have installed 4 FTW3 Ultras so far for myself and my friends. Every single one worked perfectly with the 500w and all are from China. Now my friend just received his Hybrid EVGA 3090 and its from Taiwan, His peaks at 430w with this bios and is pulling 85 watts from the PCI Express port. He is RMA that card tomorrow.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 08:41:24
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So I have a 2014 Taiwan FTW3 ultra with the black trim. Don't have a motherboard to test, so it's still in the wrapper, but is this the consensus now? The Taiwan cards are faulty? Should I just start an RMA now before ever testing it? How come evga is silent on this? @EVGA_JacobF
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 08:45:18
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No, it is not per se faulty.
You have to test the card.
My first card was from China and had the power Limit Problems, and the second from taiwan behaved the same way :D
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 08:50:30
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dejanco
No, it is not per se faulty.
You have to test the card.
My first card was from China and had the power Limit Problems, and the second from taiwan behaved the same way :D
Oh ok, so some china boards have the issue too. I guess that makes me feel a little better. Wish EVGA would at least chime in to let us know if they are working on a fix. Unfortunately I don't have any motherboard to test on, so I'm just in a waiting game until the motherboardboard I want comes back in stock.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 10:13:01
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I was applying for an RMA and the e-mail stated only a 350 Watt draw on the FTW3 cards What BS. I'm going to RMA the card is suppose to draw 450 Watts without the OC bios update. I paid close to $1800 for the card and then I added with the hybrid cooler for another $109 and this is the e-mail I received from EVGA. Thank you for reaching out to us about your graphics card. Unfortunately, we wouldn't offer an RMA for a card that is functioning normally, as a replacement isn't guaranteed to increase your power limit to 500w for overclocking. We only guarantee a maximum power draw of 350w from the graphics card, not 500W from the beta BIOS. We apologize for the inconvenience. Regards, EVGA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 11:28:50
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Just measure the PCIE slot power draw without an overclock, via GPU-Z, on the stock VBIOSs. If you're over 75W, RMA it for being out of spec.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 11:37:26
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on cyberpunk 2077 4k ultra settings with ray tracing also ultra, dlss on quality and 90mhz overclock with the STOCK OC bios i get about 465w max power draw and 110 TDP, which is higher than the 107 power limit and higher than the 450watt, so i am pleased with that. 2055max gpu clock. I think i got a good board.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 11:48:26
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Just measure the PCIE slot power draw without an overclock, via GPU-Z, on the stock VBIOSs. If you're over 75W, RMA it for being out of spec.
Yes, Thank you for the inform but I not paying top dollar for EVGA BS My card draws 83 watts on PCIE slot but isn't FTW 3 3090 ultra suppose to also suppose to have a 450 watt max power drawn without OC bios not 350 watts as stated in the e-mail from EVGA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 11:58:33
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arestavo
Just measure the PCIE slot power draw without an overclock, via GPU-Z, on the stock VBIOSs. If you're over 75W, RMA it for being out of spec.
Yes, Thank you for the inform but I not paying top dollar for EVGA BS My card draws 83 watts on PCIE slot but isn't FTW 3 3090 ultra suppose to also suppose to have a 450 watt max power drawn without OC bios not 350 watts as stated in the e-mail from EVGA.
As far as what EVGA advertised the capabilities as, I think the 3090 ultra is only guaranteed to be 1800mhz+ core clock. I don't know if there is a advertised power minimum, but Jacob said on twitter the "limit" was 440 watts. I believe the card is designed for 400 watts and the overclock potential was originally limited to 7% increase (28 watts?). But we can chase this performance gurantee down a pretty deep rabbit hole if we really wanted to, because i doubt anyone is getting anywhere near 1800mhz when torture testing it with apps like msi kombustor or the like (mine goes down to like the 1600s or 1700s i think). But I am always near 1900 mhz in actual games even without an OC. To be clear, I am frustrated at the lack of competitive ability this card has with others of its price range. I'm not sure what my next gen GPU manufacturer will be at this point. EVGA is still a good option and even ASUS boards aren't without their issues. I heard a lot of fuss around the STRIX and its noisy fan issues being swept under the rug by ASUS customer support. So who knows.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 12:37:03
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zig11727
I was applying for an RMA and the e-mail stated only a 350 Watt draw on the FTW3 cards What BS. I'm going to RMA the card is suppose to draw 450 Watts without the OC bios update. I paid close to $1800 for the card and then I added with the hybrid cooler for another $109 and this is the e-mail I received from EVGA.
Thank you for reaching out to us about your graphics card. Unfortunately, we wouldn't offer an RMA for a card that is functioning normally, as a replacement isn't guaranteed to increase your power limit to 500w for overclocking. We only guarantee a maximum power draw of 350w from the graphics card, not 500W from the beta BIOS. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Regards,
EVGA
Uff :/ ...... We only guarantee a maximum power draw of 350w from the graphics card, not 500W from the beta BIOS....... Sorry that’s a joke or? 350w then you can buy the cheapest 3090 you find on the market. I understand that they don‘t allow a rma for the 500w bios. In Europe you have to spent actual >2100€ For the Ftw3. Other cards with a 350w bios 1650€. So why to spent 450€ More for the same power. Of course almost all cards could reach 450w. So for me is your card with only 350 a rma. Hard to hear evga don’t do it. :/
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 13:09:19
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arestavo
Just measure the PCIE slot power draw without an overclock, via GPU-Z, on the stock VBIOSs. If you're over 75W, RMA it for being out of spec.
Yes, Thank you for the inform but I not paying top dollar for EVGA BS My card draws 83 watts on PCIE slot but isn't FTW 3 3090 ultra suppose to also suppose to have a 450 watt max power drawn without OC bios not 350 watts as stated in the e-mail from EVGA.
Doesn't really matter - your card is out of PCIE spec, which is 75W. RMA it for a card that is within spec, or keep RMAing until they manage it (and you can get shipping paid for both ways if you have to do it more than once if it's bad out of the box, if you ask). I can say that being out of PCIE spec for power draw does impact whether or not your card would be able to draw higher wattage, as it is limited (at least partly) by that. My first card drew 83W constantly in some tests (no overclock), and spiked over 86W - it was limited to about 430W total power draw. The replacement drew 77W with 80W spikes and was limited to 460W (while overclocked). Still technically out of spec, but better and closer to a number that I was comfortable with - if I didn't overclock, it would average 76W.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 13:32:36
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I just installed the stock hybrid bios 94.02.42.00.44 which is used when upgrading the stock 3090 FTW3 ultra with the Hybrid kit this bios runs in spec and better than OC 500 Watt hybrid bios I just have high power draw on PCIE slot 80 watts and spikes to 83. I just going to wait for the official 500 watt bios to be release but EVGA stated a 350 Watt power drawn on the card so the card is really not worth the extra $300 dollars. The FE edition is 400 watts max.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 14:43:23
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is there a special games which triggers the high pcie power draw...also on ftw3 3090 ultra and max pcie draw i have ever seen was at 75 watts...but i dont look always at gpuz. Ran some tests now.
thanks for all the information on the cards.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 15:29:10
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is there a special games which triggers the high pcie power draw...also on ftw3 3090 ultra and max pcie draw i have ever seen was at 75 watts...but i dont look always at gpuz. Ran some tests now.
thanks for all the information on the cards.
Special? No, not really. But the higher the resolution / the more demanding the game (or benchmark - like Time Spy Extreme (4K) vs Time Spy/Port Rotal (1440P)) the better as it will max out the card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 15:36:43
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Ok had tested triple screen full load 7680x1440 everything is ok. Max pcie draw 75.9Watts. So my conclusion after reading the hole thread...some cards can run this bios and some not...thats everything and nobody does know why...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 15:55:28
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Don't believe this dude for one second. Hes a clown in the tech world and people laugh at him. He is a intel fanboy with little education. This bios works perfectly fine on boards made in China, with a solid power supply and testing it in a benchmark load like furmark or port royal. here is mine working fine.
I have a made in China 2012 serial number FTW3 Ultra and with the 500 watt XOC BIOS the card won't hit 450 watts in either PC I tested it in. That's using an EVGA 1300 watt G2 power supply or a Seasonic 850 watt power supply.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 17:35:41
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Notchy44
Don't believe this dude for one second. Hes a clown in the tech world and people laugh at him. He is a intel fanboy with little education. This bios works perfectly fine on boards made in China, with a solid power supply and testing it in a benchmark load like furmark or port royal. here is mine working fine.
I have a made in China 2012 serial number FTW3 Ultra and with the 500 watt XOC BIOS the card won't hit 450 watts in either PC I tested it in. That's using an EVGA 1300 watt G2 power supply or a Seasonic 850 watt power supply.
What are u using to test this? this bios only works with benchmarks when hitting even close to 500w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 18:17:19
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Play doom eternal. That game stresses the crap out of my 3090 hybrid. Card hits 470+ frequently but only hits max 450 in port Royal
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 21:42:54
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I been gone a couple weeks.. Any actual news or same ****?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 22:02:00
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What are u using to test this? this bios only works with benchmarks when hitting even close to 500w
With the XOC BIOS the card never could hit more than 450 watts no matter what benchmark or stress test I used. It performed exactly the same as my two 2014 serial number cards. EDIT: For comparison, my MSI Gaming X Trio 3090 with the EVGA 500 watt BIOS in the same PC hit 500 watts and stays there. With the Kingpin BIOS the Gaming X trio hits 520 watts and stays there.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/04 23:21:54
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With the SOTTR internal benchmark I got between 475 and 485 Watt (nearly 500). So it's a good test too.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 06:55:14
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Hi! Some time lurker and queued for a 3090 ftw3. Keep seeing that the xoc bios will not work for this card, but can the 520w kingpin bios be used instead? Or maybe the 1000w unlocked bios and keep it at 50% power limit? Coming from my Radeon, I would power play table the hell of that card and 450w stock limit seems very low considering my 3080 strix oc already comes with a 450w power limit and the 3090 has roughly 20% more cuda cores.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 07:04:57
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I just had my 2nd FTW Ultra flop and am now awaiting another RMA.
Really hoping the PCI-E power on this is better than the last. Crashing got unbearable attimes.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 07:06:27
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compuclinic
I just had my 2nd FTW Ultra flop and am now awaiting another RMA.
Really hoping the PCI-E power on this is better than the last. Crashing got unbearable attimes.
How did you convince EVGA to give you an RMA?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 07:41:41
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Hi! Some time lurker and queued for a 3090 ftw3. Keep seeing that the xoc bios will not work for this card, but can the 520w kingpin bios be used instead? Or maybe the 1000w unlocked bios and keep it at 50% power limit? Coming from my Radeon, I would power play table the hell of that card and 450w stock limit seems very low considering my 3080 strix oc already comes with a 450w power limit and the 3090 has roughly 20% more cuda cores.
There have been multiple posts about this. You can use the LN2 520W Kingpin VBIOS, or the 1000W unlocked one (will void warranty). The 520W has the same problem as the XOC 500W if your card is power limited. The 1000W VBIOS will cause a power limited FTW3 card to draw some insane power through the PCIE slot. Someone reported to me that theirs drew over 90W continuous with a total board power draw close to 520W - so I doubt limiting it to 50% power would be beneficial if you're at all concerned with keeping your card working a while. That's why I'm not going to try it and stick with the XC3 VBIOS (post 3215) which somehow lowers my PCIE power draw to around 66W even when overclocked to 2100MHz. With the stock or XOC 500W VBIOS it was around 77W continuous draw when overclocked (76W without overclock, close enough to spec that I didn't RMA again), and in game would be around 1920 to 1950MHz (CP2077 4K Ultra RT preset). Hopefully the card you get won't be a severely power limited one with out of spec (75W max) PCIE power draw with no overclock - if so, you won't have a problem utilizing the 500W XOC VBIOS (other than increased temps).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 08:04:41
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Notchy44
Don't believe this dude for one second. Hes a clown in the tech world and people laugh at him. He is a intel fanboy with little education. This bios works perfectly fine on boards made in China, with a solid power supply and testing it in a benchmark load like furmark or port royal. here is mine working fine.
I have a made in China 2012 serial number FTW3 Ultra and with the 500 watt XOC BIOS the card won't hit 450 watts in either PC I tested it in. That's using an EVGA 1300 watt G2 power supply or a Seasonic 850 watt power supply.
Have you tried Furmark or any of blender benchmarks?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 08:43:30
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I been gone a couple weeks.. Any actual news or same ****?
Same here and no new news from eVga.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 09:11:23
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no hope anymore. it will stay like this till spring. I love EVGA but this time I had to give away my FTW3 Ultra.
Shame that I can't get a Kingpin Card in Europe.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/01/05 09:36:38
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Hi guys, been gone for a bit. Slapped a hybrid kit on the 3090. I guess the consensus is to use the XC3 hybrid bios on this thing, however, once flashed I can’t open precision or it will try to install incorrect firmware. So the solution is to use AB. I can do all of this, not too difficult...but how the heck am I supposed to control those fans with AB. When it was on air I tried this, linked fans and it was almost impossible to control them properly. Will I have to buy a separate fan controller? My experience was that 50% of the fans in AB resulted in only 25% fan usage (rpms).
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