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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 04:08:15 (permalink)
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My card really doesn't like 2100MHz, even with 1.1V to the GPU core, so I had my card locked at 2085MHz with 1.075V. When pinned at 1.1V GPU core voltage, the card hits the pwr limitter so often that the board power draw, core voltage and core clock fluctuates so much that I don't think you'll get good benchmark off of it anyway. All I'm trying to do here is draw as much power as I can, not set the best frequency/voltage curve for a benchmark run.
 
I did managed 19.2k graphics score in time spy at with the card locked at 2070MHz with 1.05V to the GPU core, and that's pretty the best my card can do.


As far as I understand it, the benches count how many frames you can draw in a given amount of time.. More frequency, more frames (Provided no errors); the power draw is just a consequence of the processor doing it's thing.
As you hit power limits, the frequecy will drop further as the voltage drops..
 
Yes, lower voltage = less power limiter bashing, but also = lower frequency and still dips to the same level anyway when you hit the power limits. Score wise you're typically still better off having it high as possible, even if it's got dips (So long as it doesn't introduce stutters etc) It's a bit like driving in the wrong gear all the time because you don't want to get close to the redline.
 
When you say pinned at 1.1v, do you mean you locked it on the curve in afterburner? Or you adjusted the curve so it actually ran at 1100mv? And you don't have to run 2100mhz, but 1100mv might be enough for 2085 stable 1.093 might be enough for 2070mhz stable etc
 
 
Granted, this is difficult without seeing your exact curve but it's just that your +100 core doesn't appear to be doing anything currently. If the curve you've set doesn't increase in clocks at that maximum voltage point you want.. It'll just run at lowest voltage for the highest frequency you've set like this. But maybe you did that and i'm misunderstanding you.
https://i.imgur.com/BwZQKiZ.jpg


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 06:00:33 (permalink)
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My card really doesn't like 2100MHz, even with 1.1V to the GPU core, so I had my card locked at 2085MHz with 1.075V. When pinned at 1.1V GPU core voltage, the card hits the pwr limitter so often that the board power draw, core voltage and core clock fluctuates so much that I don't think you'll get good benchmark off of it anyway. All I'm trying to do here is draw as much power as I can, not set the best frequency/voltage curve for a benchmark run.
 
I did managed 19.2k graphics score in time spy at with the card locked at 2070MHz with 1.05V to the GPU core, and that's pretty the best my card can do.


As far as I understand it, the benches count how many frames you can draw in a given amount of time.. More frequency, more frames (Provided no errors); the power draw is just a consequence of the processor doing it's thing.
As you hit power limits, the frequecy will drop further as the voltage drops..
 
Yes, lower voltage = less power limiter bashing, but also = lower frequency and still dips to the same level anyway when you hit the power limits. Score wise you're typically still better off having it high as possible, even if it's got dips (So long as it doesn't introduce stutters etc) It's a bit like driving in the wrong gear all the time because you don't want to get close to the redline.
 
When you say pinned at 1.1v, do you mean you locked it on the curve in afterburner? Or you adjusted the curve so it actually ran at 1100mv? And you don't have to run 2100mhz, but 1100mv might be enough for 2085 stable 1.093 might be enough for 2070mhz stable etc
 
 
Granted, this is difficult without seeing your exact curve but it's just that your +100 core doesn't appear to be doing anything currently. If the curve you've set doesn't increase in clocks at that maximum voltage point you want.. It'll just run at lowest voltage for the highest frequency you've set like this. But maybe you did that and i'm misunderstanding you.





Yup, I meant I locked it in the curve editor in msi afterburner. The frequency/voltage settings in my posts here are all intentional. My point all along was I had no issues pulling 430++W if I wanted to, and evga probably fixed something on newer 3080s to address cards not pulling over 108% of the TDP.

At 1.1V to the GPU core, it actually dropped all the way to 1900+MHz for core clock due to hitting the pwr limit and losing a few boost bins to thermals, so I'm definitely doing way better by running less voltage to the GPU core.


DrwafflesWouldn't necessarily recomend the XOC on air (Nor my solution) 420w+ is hard to keep cool. Even with 85% fan duty and an open case I'd see 65-72c.. It can help if you're trying to get up the leaderboards on timespy, but I'd only do one bios and keep the other standard, at least you've got the option.
I've got an EK block now and it's 46-52c under heavy load depending on my water temperature.

 
And as you've said here, 450W is not easy to keep cool, not without active cooling. 

From my experience, you start losing 15MHz of boost bin in the 60+ degree Celsius range, and about 30MHz and more above 73 degree Celsius. Settings that are stable at lower temps can also become unstable at higher temps.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 08:02:30 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 11:04:11 (permalink)
What are your serial number first 4 digits? For people who can/cannot reach 450W?
 
From the 3090 forums,
I am seeing the 2119 batch reaches 500W and 2012 batch not being able to reach 500W
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 11:24:03 (permalink)
I can turn a worse port royal at 450w than I can at 412w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 12:28:46 (permalink)
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What are your serial number first 4 digits? For people who can/cannot reach 450W?
 
From the 3090 forums,
I am seeing the 2119 batch reaches 500W and 2012 batch not being able to reach 500W
 


2014..
Wonder if it's a firmware issue or they physically made revisions/difference in the card?

My gut feeling (No evidence) is it's a load balancing issue.
My pcie power draw would always max out at 45w on XOC.
The difference between that and 75w would being me up from my 415w limit to the 445 it should be.
Granted might just be coincidence..
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 16:05:40 (permalink)
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What are your serial number first 4 digits? For people who can/cannot reach 450W?
 
From the 3090 forums,
I am seeing the 2119 batch reaches 500W and 2012 batch not being able to reach 500W
 


2014..
Wonder if it's a firmware issue or they physically made revisions/difference in the card?

My gut feeling (No evidence) is it's a load balancing issue.
My pcie power draw would always max out at 45w on XOC.
The difference between that and 75w would being me up from my 415w limit to the 445 it should be.
Granted might just be coincidence..



I think its this Strix has even pull on the 8pins and I think 50w pci-e. It is most likely a load balancing issue I hope they can fix it.
I just got mine last week 2114 model
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 16:09:34 (permalink)
Can we get a few people listing their SN production code and upload a screenshot of a GPUZ timespy run?
Always been somewhat concerned that my middle pin drew more power than the other two..
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 16:30:34 (permalink)
I have had 2 3080s , both experienced un-even draw across the 3 8pins my first config had a daisy chain on 1 and 3 and I first thought this was due to the daisy chain, but with a new PSU and new independent cables, I think 3 has been lower on both cards. one SN was 2012 and the current is 2014
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 16:59:36 (permalink)
2014 HERE AND I THHINK THATS THE BAD ONE... NOW I CAN'T BE STABLE 2040MHZ :( CRASH WITH CYBERPUNK, EVEN WITH THE MSI SUPRIM BIOS, ONLY I CAN GET 2025MHZ (+50 ON THE CORE), HYBRID KIT INSTALLED, VERY DISSAPOINTED OF EVGA, I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER CARD FROM THEM, SORRY BUT THAT'S THE TRUE.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:11:14 (permalink)
Do remember they never promise gains, overclocking is luck of the draw. You could buy a Strix card that doesn't do 15mhz over the 1900 boost.
They don't deserve blame for silicon lottery.. The FTW3 PCB was a big let down compared to my old 1080, but that's another story of cost cutting (I pre ordered on faith it'd be similar quality, but it was substantiality worse)

What voltage and temps is it running when crashing at 2025-2040m
Try using the curve instead of the offset, helped mine.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:20:52 (permalink)
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Do remember they never promise gains, overclocking is luck of the draw. You could but a Strix card that doesn't do 15mhz over the 1900 boost.

What voltage and temps is it running when crashing at 2025-2040m
Try using the curve instead of the offset, helped mine.

I USE A CURVE I DONT UNDESTAND THIS CARD, 2025 (+50 ON CORE) 60°/62° AND +70 ON THE CORE (2040MHZ) STABLE FOR A FEW MINUTES.... EVEN I HAD THE SURPIM BIOS THAT DONT OVERHEAT LIKE THE XOC OR THE ORIGINAL BIOS :(
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:24:40 (permalink)
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Do remember they never promise gains, overclocking is luck of the draw. You could buy a Strix card that doesn't do 15mhz over the 1900 boost.
They don't deserve blame for silicon lottery.. The FTW3 PCB was a big let down compared to my old 1080, but that's another story of cost cutting (I pre ordered on faith it'd be similar quality, but it was substantiality worse)

What voltage and temps is it running when crashing at 2025-2040m
Try using the curve instead of the offset, helped mine.

VOLTAGE 1.093
IN AFTERBURNER: CORE VOLTAGE: 100, POWER LIMIT: 116, TEMP LIMIT: 91
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:27:35 (permalink)
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Do remember they never promise gains, overclocking is luck of the draw. You could buy a Strix card that doesn't do 15mhz over the 1900 boost.
They don't deserve blame for silicon lottery.. The FTW3 PCB was a big let down compared to my old 1080, but that's another story of cost cutting (I pre ordered on faith it'd be similar quality, but it was substantiality worse)

What voltage and temps is it running when crashing at 2025-2040m
Try using the curve instead of the offset, helped mine.

AT: 2040MHZ 65° IT MUST BE 2014... IS FROM TAIWAN AND I READ THAT THOSE WAS THE WORSE CARDS OF THIS 3080 FTW3 ULTRA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:37:11 (permalink)
Try 1.1v (Use the curve at 1.1v, that point needs to be a higher frequency than the 1.093v point)

Also remember that as you hit a power limiter the voltage drops, so even though you set 1093mv, it might be down at 1063 or lower.. You need to see what it's doing in GPUZ under a load like timespy or port royal.

60-62c is excellent, that's not overheating.

That's a presumption at this stage.. And again this isn't what we're discussing.. Core frequency achievable is LUCK.. We're talking about power limit variation, not OC headroom.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:42:49 (permalink)
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Try 1.1v (Use the curve at 1.1v, that point needs to be a higher frequency than the 1.093v point)

Also remember that as you hit a power limiter the voltage drops, so even though you set 1093mv, it might be down at 1063 or lower.. You need to see what it's doing in GPUZ under a load like timespy or port royal.

60-62c is excellent, that's not overheating.

That's a presumption at this stage.. And again this isn't what we're discussing.. Core frequency achievable is LUCK.. We're talking about power limit variation, not OC headroom.

PLEASE COULD YOU TELL ME HOW I SET 1.1V? I KNOW OC IS NOT THE DISCUSSION BUT THIS IS THE ONLY TREAD THAT I FOUND, AND MAYBE I DONT BE CLEAR BUT IS BECAUSE  MY ENGLISH I SAID THAT THE XOC BIOS AND THE ORIGINAL BIOS AT THE SAME FREQUENCY REACH MORE THAN 70 ( I  KNOW THATS NOT OVERHEAT BUT I DONT KNOW WHY DONT KEEP AT LEAST 2040 STABLE)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 17:58:25 (permalink)
I just did explain how.
On the curve, set the 1100mv point 15mhz higher than the previous one (1093 I think)

So set say 1093mv to 2025mhz and 1100mv to 2040mhz.

Remember the curve will move as your temperature changes.. so if you're trying to do 2040mhz when 60+C you need to make that change at that running temperature.
If you set 2040mhz at cold idle it'll be lower as it heats up (Normal)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 18:44:45 (permalink)
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What are your serial number first 4 digits? For people who can/cannot reach 450W?
 
From the 3090 forums,
I am seeing the 2119 batch reaches 500W and 2012 batch not being able to reach 500W
 


Mine starts with 2014 and I can hit 450W with no modding.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/10 23:50:44 (permalink)
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2014 HERE AND I THHINK THATS THE BAD ONE... NOW I CAN'T BE STABLE 2040MHZ :( CRASH WITH CYBERPUNK, EVEN WITH THE MSI SUPRIM BIOS, ONLY I CAN GET 2025MHZ (+50 ON THE CORE), HYBRID KIT INSTALLED, VERY DISSAPOINTED OF EVGA, I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER CARD FROM THEM, SORRY BUT THAT'S THE TRUE.


First, stop yelling. Second, we have told you several times, its called GPU lottery. The difference between 2040 mhz and 2025 mhz will net you probably half a fps. Your either dense or are trolling at this point...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/11 01:48:23 (permalink)
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I have had 2 3080s , both experienced un-even draw across the 3 8pins my first config had a daisy chain on 1 and 3 and I first thought this was due to the daisy chain, but with a new PSU and new independent cables, I think 3 has been lower on both cards. one SN was 2012 and the current is 2014



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The FTW3 PCB was a big let down compared to my old 1080

The 3rd 8-pin according to this information was supposed to be a 6-pin and 8-pin was a last minute change. Might explain why we are are limited to about 400w and how aggressive the firmware is throttling trying to stop it from jumping to higher frequencies . Apparently there is a transient response problem


. https://forums.evga.com/Fixing-EVGA39s-7-Figure-Problem-with-FTW3-30-Series-cards-m3217284.aspx
 
This for 3090 but our PCBs are also very similar. @bmgjet also figured out what was causing the red light issues.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/...ely_cause_of_failures/
 
https://www.overclock.net...page-580#post-28736523
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/11 02:03:07 (permalink)
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The 3rd 8-pin according to this information was supposed to be a 6-pin and 8-pin was a last minute change. Might explain why we are are limited to about 400w and how aggressive the firmware is throttling trying to stop it from jumping to higher frequencies . Apparently there is a transient response problem




 
Certinally would explain why now that's i'm not bouncing off the power limiter on the MSI bios (and able to maintain a fixed voltage) all my crashing issues went away while overclocked.
I've half a mind to RMA my card due to the inabilty manage its power draw, but i'm not sure the issue is actually resolved.. That and Australia like EU are getting pretty well ignored supply wise, it'll probably be a 3 month wait.
 
I've got another one on order for a mate, he won't run above stock setting so if his hits 440+ at 1.1v i'll swap my block across. 
Certinally all very interesting though.. Seems like a lot of cost cutting is starting to bite them; It's never a good thing when Accountants get in charge of design.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/11 04:19:26 (permalink)
For people who are having weak overclocks; try manually moving *only* the high end of the curve to +XXX so that the card boosts more at the top, less in the middle, and none around idle.

My 3080 FE was solid with pretty high overclocks while gaming, but would lock up and crash while browsing the web or otherwise light tasks.

So I set it up as described above. I now game between 2055 and 2070 and the card completely throttles down to no OC at all when not gaming.

I can't remember the hotkey combo that allows for moving only one end of the curve at a time, but there are a bunch of YT vids explaining the hotkeys.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/11 15:56:43 (permalink)
I just had the second bios update fro my MSI board. The first one said support for resizable bar.
The second update said Support Re-size BAR function to enhance GPU performance including the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3000 series and others.
Any word on the XOC bios ? Soon ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/11 16:21:52 (permalink)
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The 3rd 8-pin according to this information was supposed to be a 6-pin and 8-pin was a last minute change. Might explain why we are are limited to about 400w and how aggressive the firmware is throttling trying to stop it from jumping to higher frequencies . Apparently there is a transient response problem




 
Certinally would explain why now that's i'm not bouncing off the power limiter on the MSI bios (and able to maintain a fixed voltage) all my crashing issues went away while overclocked.
I've half a mind to RMA my card due to the inabilty manage its power draw, but i'm not sure the issue is actually resolved.. That and Australia like EU are getting pretty well ignored supply wise, it'll probably be a 3 month wait.
 
I've got another one on order for a mate, he won't run above stock setting so if his hits 440+ at 1.1v i'll swap my block across. 
Certinally all very interesting though.. Seems like a lot of cost cutting is starting to bite them; It's never a good thing when Accountants get in charge of design.


Well a quick google search tells us that.

8-pin = 150w - 1st 8Pin
8-pin = 150w - 2nd 8pin
6-pin = 75w - 3rd "8-pin"
PCIe Slot = 50w

The configured bios currently is then a total of 150+150+75+50=425w (Probably 400w for safety margin)

From your data 400w * 1.08 (TDP) = 432w (Probably lower due to safety margins)

I have attached what was listed on the MCU firmware courtesy of @bmgjet

So perhaps their firmware or hardware is still configured for an additional 6-pin not 8-pin.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/12 12:59:39 (permalink)
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I just had the second bios update fro my MSI board. The first one said support for resizable bar.
The second update said Support Re-size BAR function to enhance GPU performance including the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3000 series and others.
Any word on the XOC bios ? Soon ?


We don't know. The 3060 will have it on release on the 25th, meaning the driver support for it will be there prior to its release at least. If history is any indicator, the driver will be out the same day the 3060 releases. I'd probably say if the BIOS for existing cards isn't out around the same time, we'll have them by the end of March.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/12 15:30:48 (permalink)
on a OC test yesterday I saw 129w on one 132 on 2 and 118 on 3
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/13 10:41:59 (permalink)
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What are your serial number first 4 digits? For people who can/cannot reach 450W?
 
From the 3090 forums,
I am seeing the 2119 batch reaches 500W and 2012 batch not being able to reach 500W
 


2014..
Wonder if it's a firmware issue or they physically made revisions/difference in the card?

My gut feeling (No evidence) is it's a load balancing issue.
My pcie power draw would always max out at 45w on XOC.
The difference between that and 75w would being me up from my 415w limit to the 445 it should be.
Granted might just be coincidence..



 
I have 2014 as well, i can't go above 380W
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/13 13:27:42 (permalink)
You guys using Afterburner or Precision X1 for overclock?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/13 13:41:11 (permalink)
Afterburner..
Tried X1 but the overlay doesn't work half the time and setting a voltage frequency curve is clunkier than it should be.
Overlay is the main reason though, and I love RTSS frame limiter, gives dead consistent frametimes if setup right.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/13 13:56:45 (permalink)
Was looking at products to boost power to pci-e slot. Found this https://www.evga.com/articles/00600/
 
Evga Power Booster uses a molex to pci-e. Not sure if it would help if you have many pci-e devices plugged in.
I think this may help with the red light error since the mcu check needs 12v and deviating lower will cause a no post.
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