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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/24 00:45:14 (permalink)
Just noticed the giant jump in points this year. I definitely cannot dedicate my gpu 24/7 to hit the second tier and it is really discouraging to be honest. At this point I am only continuing to fold because of personal reasons and want to contribute to the cause however if I did not have a personal tie I would stop all together. It feels like anyone not buying a 2k series card is getting told to pay up or get out. I appreciate the support EVGA has put into this over the years but to use "how many bucks were given out last year" as criteria feels like some bean counter bs when we have seen nothing but massive price hikes on current gen cards along with inflation on actual currency means that the $10 a month is worth less than it was 11 years ago.




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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/24 08:12:42 (permalink)
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Just noticed the giant jump in points this year. I definitely cannot dedicate my gpu 24/7 to hit the second tier and it is really discouraging to be honest. At this point I am only continuing to fold because of personal reasons and want to contribute to the cause however if I did not have a personal tie I would stop all together. It feels like anyone not buying a 2k series card is getting told to pay up or get out. I appreciate the support EVGA has put into this over the years but to use "how many bucks were given out last year" as criteria feels like some bean counter bs when we have seen nothing but massive price hikes on current gen cards along with inflation on actual currency means that the $10 a month is worth less than it was 11 years ago.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/24 17:58:47 (permalink)
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At 400K PPD you can't reach the year's 12 second goal and for the first goal you need at least a 780Ti (the 780 can't), a 970 or a 1060, and that's 24/7!
The steep increase will surely discourage many but eventually the situation will get better once faster cards propagate in the slower part of the user base.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/26 19:21:47 (permalink)
Now that I've rounded over 32.6 million points for the month, I'll put out that it does add a strain to the electrical costs in both the direct draw on power and cooling, but I was able to hit the 21 million by folding flat out for 8 days or so.  I recognize that many who don't have the top of the line kit will be in deeper poodoo than I in that regard. 
 
HOWEVER, I will admit that this is going to have me climbing the stats list once again next month, for the first time in a long time. I made it to the top 50 once upon a time, as a part time folder. Having to hit 21 million a month? Will likely get me back there, if not higher and pretty soon, too. Well, until the other new high performers push me back down into the 70s again, and I"ll have to upgrade the hardware once again . . . Just another part of the vicious cycle that working to save lives has created. ;-)
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/27 09:03:37 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/27 09:12:12 (permalink)
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Now that I've rounded over 32.6 million points for the month, I'll put out that it does add a strain to the electrical costs in both the direct draw on power and cooling, but I was able to hit the 21 million by folding flat out for 8 days or so.  I recognize that many who don't have the top of the line kit will be in deeper poodoo than I in that regard. 
 
HOWEVER, I will admit that this is going to have me climbing the stats list once again next month, for the first time in a long time. I made it to the top 50 once upon a time, as a part time folder. Having to hit 21 million a month? Will likely get me back there, if not higher and pretty soon, too. Well, until the other new high performers push me back down into the 70s again, and I"ll have to upgrade the hardware once again . . . Just another part of the vicious cycle that working to save lives has created. ;-)
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 12:50:14 (permalink)
I wonder if EVGA had some insight of Core 22.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 17:59:38 (permalink)
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I wonder if EVGA had some insight of Core 22.


Not sure what you mean with this question honestly.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 18:06:51 (permalink)
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I wonder if EVGA had some insight of Core 22.

Not sure what you mean with this question honestly.

That maybe EVGA is now working with them a little closer than before is all.
But if needed the post can be removed.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 18:32:09 (permalink)
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That maybe EVGA is now working with them a little closer than before is all.
But if needed the post can be removed.



Still not sure what the vague wording is. Are you implying EVGA is trying to help correct issues with Core 22, or implying the EVGA knew there was going to be higher failures with core 22... vague isn’t going to get answers. I think if you state what you are implying it would help.


No, your post does not need removed. It needs to be clarified if anything.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 18:39:45 (permalink)
I believe bcav means that eVGA may have had insight into the higher ppd of the core 22 wu's and therefore raised the threshold accordingly.
That's what I took from it anyway. I think he may be onto something. Then again, perhaps the core 22 wu's are a result of the higher threshold


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 18:51:19 (permalink)
The Core 22’s were being talked about in October 2016 on the folding forums, so if they wanted to plan around it there was plenty of time, but I doubt evga sat on the folding forums trying to get a heads up on the PPD count.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 19:19:05 (permalink)
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I believe bcav means that eVGA may have had insight into the higher ppd of the core 22 wu's and therefore raised the threshold accordingly.
That's what I took from it anyway. I think he may be onto something. Then again, perhaps the core 22 wu's are a result of the higher threshold


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 20:12:46 (permalink)
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I believe bcav means that eVGA may have had insight into the higher ppd of the core 22 wu's and therefore raised the threshold accordingly.
That's what I took from it anyway. I think he may be onto something. Then again, perhaps the core 22 wu's are a result of the higher threshold




+1 That's what I though he meant as well. 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/28 20:22:37 (permalink)
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I believe bcav means that eVGA may have had insight into the higher ppd of the core 22 wu's and therefore raised the threshold accordingly.
That's what I took from it anyway. I think he may be onto something. Then again, perhaps the core 22 wu's are a result of the higher threshold




I doubt the folding group gave EVGA a heads up that a point increase was coming. They have to stay neutral or the folding community would go bananas. Other teams would go ballistic, their forums would be blown up (figuratively).
Core 22 came out after the new tiers were set, but it has been in the works for a long time.
Folding group never sets a date for new things, they just say "Soon" Soon can be years away! lol  

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/29 01:50:54 (permalink)
 
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I believe bcav means that eVGA may have had insight into the higher ppd of the core 22 wu's and therefore raised the threshold accordingly.
That's what I took from it anyway. I think he may be onto something. Then again, perhaps the core 22 wu's are a result of the higher threshold




Mostly a joking bit of conspiracy theory going on here





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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/29 04:54:37 (permalink)
I also highly doubt that EVGA would fallow that closely what is going on with Core22 but that they increased because the old numbers could be hit in like a week.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/29 06:18:19 (permalink)
Hi All,
 
Long time folder here (since 2012 w/ EVGA).
 
I just wanted to say, the points bump will probably have me out on this. 
I fold with a 980 TI that gets me about 500K ppd, if I were able to fold 24/7 and not use my computer for any other purpose I could get 14-15 mil a month. Realistically I folded as much as I could this month and just barely got the first milestone (7mil).

Now the easy thing to say would be, hey your video card is 3 years old, it's time for an upgrade! Well...:

In 2012 I bought a high end 680 for $449.
In 2016 I bought a high end 980 ti for $479.
In 2019 a high end 2080 ti costs $1249+ !!??
 
As for the inflation argument:
$449 2012 dollars is $494 2019 dollars.

 
The prize amount has remained fixed at $5/$10 while the price of cards has nearly tripled. 
The rewards I've gathered over the last 3 years end up saving me almost nothing off of the insane costs of a card now. 
3 years = $360, $1249 - $360 = $889 out of pocket, which is twice the cost of the entire card without discount back in 2012/2016

Anyways it's been great, I liked being a part of a cause, and the benefit of getting reduced cost upgrades was a real perk, however I can't afford to continue.

For the rest of you, Fold On!
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/29 10:19:17 (permalink)
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2281-KR this is a 2080ti for $250 less then your quoted amount taking the out of pocket costs to $639. but you do not need a 2080ti to reach the new milestones. simply adding a RTX 2060 to your rig will double your PPD and it costs ~$350, meaning its a free upgrade to reach the new milestones. or you could spend a little bit and get a RTX 2070 and that is ~50% faster than the 2060.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/29 11:04:00 (permalink)
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Hi All,
 
Long time folder here (since 2012 w/ EVGA).
 
I just wanted to say, the points bump will probably have me out on this. 
I fold with a 980 TI that gets me about 500K ppd, if I were able to fold 24/7 and not use my computer for any other purpose I could get 14-15 mil a month. Realistically I folded as much as I could this month and just barely got the first milestone (7mil).

Now the easy thing to say would be, hey your video card is 3 years old, it's time for an upgrade! Well...:

In 2012 I bought a high end 680 for $449.
In 2016 I bought a high end 980 ti for $479.
In 2019 a high end 2080 ti costs $1249+ !!??
 
As for the inflation argument:
$449 2012 dollars is $494 2019 dollars.
 
 
The prize amount has remained fixed at $5/$10 while the price of cards has nearly tripled. 
The rewards I've gathered over the last 3 years end up saving me almost nothing off of the insane costs of a card now. 
3 years = $360, $1249 - $360 = $889 out of pocket, which is twice the cost of the entire card without discount back in 2012/2016

Anyways it's been great, I liked being a part of a cause, and the benefit of getting reduced cost upgrades was a real perk, however I can't afford to continue.

For the rest of you, Fold On!
Chris

Remember this from the First Post:
"One other important measure to note for Year 12 is that the point totals are not set in stone.  This time, we're going to monitor the point totals to see how easy/hard it is to achieve these point totals for the community, and adjust if necessary."



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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/29 14:22:35 (permalink)
I'm not sure if we'll see any changes until after April. March isn't a good month to judge given how long it took to get the we page updated. I don't think core 22 will enter into it as it won't be in the regular client type for a while.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/30 06:40:32 (permalink)
Hi All,

Noted, thanks for the feedback. I understand the point tiers may be reduced, however it seems I'll probably still be out of the running for Tier 2 (others suggest 14 - 15 mil).

I appreciate the feedback on going with a non-flagship card to keep myself in the program. However, a big benefit of folding before was that I was able to reduce the cost of a flagship card down to affordable with 2-3 years of points. As a result I would unintentionally REP EVGA products to friends because I would always get a badass card through this program and want to brag about it.
 
The video card prices now are insane and the EVGA buck rewards are not reflecting this. 

It feels like prices got jacked in the bitcoin craze, and now that people are willing to fork out stupid money for a card companies aren't going to lower their prices. We screwed ourselves I guess.
 
As I see it, the problem is primarily the crazy inflated prices, not the tiers themselves.
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/30 13:52:26 (permalink)
That's the unfortunate side of selling Nvidia cards. Nvidia decides the retail price and margins for the partners. These high prices are definitely hurting the market for high end cards, but EVgA and others are probably still selling all they can make as Nvidia sets availability.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/30 18:36:32 (permalink)

Still one day left of March
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/30 18:53:39 (permalink)
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Still one day left of March


Look at the quantity of extra work units completed! The core 22 points are making the overall look higher. From October to November, ~5000 work units was a ~500m point different.

This month compared to November ~5000 work units was ~1.4b points difference.

I think the increased work units is the best change.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/30 20:48:22 (permalink)
i personally have yet to fold a core22 wu but i do look forward to its release out of beta/advanced. but back on topic, glad to see that people where not initially scared away. the next month or two will really show how dedicated people are. as i suspect a lot of people hit the 4mil went to get rewards to see the raise in thresholds. many may have just hit the 1st threshold and will not participate next month... we will know soon enough.
 
p.s. it is nice seeing a relatively flat production all month instead of the typical saw-tooth pattern of last year.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/31 07:10:59 (permalink)
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i personally have yet to fold a core22 wu but i do look forward to its release out of beta/advanced. but back on topic, glad to see that people where not initially scared away. the next month or two will really show how dedicated people are. as i suspect a lot of people hit the 4mil went to get rewards to see the raise in thresholds. many may have just hit the 1st threshold and will not participate next month... we will know soon enough.
 
p.s. it is nice seeing a relatively flat production all month instead of the typical saw-tooth pattern of last year.



I think a ton of people were scared away. 
 
According to extremeoverclocking.com,
 
Team eVGA has total users of 18102.
Only 479 out of those 18102 actively fold.
If I'm reading the stats correctly, we lost 63 active folders over the last month.
 
So we had like an 11.6% drop in active team eVGA members over the last month.
 
Am I reading that right?
 
The total points for the month are more, which is a good thing, but an 11.6% drop in team membership in one month should be a bit concerning, no?
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/31 09:30:21 (permalink)
Seems Normal to me.
Still Going Upwards for New Team Members. 

No Team Overtake's on the horizon.
 
3,992,199,657 Difference from Last Year March 2018 to March 2019 I would say us a Big Jump in Points.
Almost Double the Points
  
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/31 10:25:39 (permalink)
It is what it is, life is hard.
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/03/31 11:17:59 (permalink)
the active members are members who have a non 0 avg over the last 7 days. so over the last week there are 63 less active members than there was a week ago. this is normal for Folding@EVGA due to EVGA Bucks but i still want to see how many start back up in the next couple days.


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