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2017/09/26 19:45:48 (permalink)
I just purchased my 1080 ti on Friday and it came in today 9/26/17, I replaced my old 1070 with it in minutes and when I got everything powered back on and started to figure out how much OC I was going to be able to achieve, everything just kept crashing, I initially set it to +100 on the core (figured this was an ok starting point) testing it with Fallout 4, but crash, set it down to + 95 then immediately crash again, set it to 85 and then crashed again, backed it down to +50 and got it to work for a few laps and then it crashed again, lowered it to +40 still crashed, lowered it to +25 and crash, I figured these issues may be related to temperatures so I setup a "louder" fan curve and it still didn't work, I left my core clock at +0 and started messing with the memory clock and everything worked perfectly fine, If I have to start manually configuring voltage I'm just going to leave it be at default but it's just very strange because my 1070 easily (1 8 pin pcie power connector) overclocked way better than this card has so far.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 19:51:29 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum OverlordG
    Did you remove the old drivers and run DDU to clean up?
    Did you remove PXOC and delete the Folders and Make sure the Profile Folders is DELETED.
    Did you update your MB Bios?
    Did you reset your Motherboard back to the Default or Optimized Settings?
    You will need to start from scratch to Overclock your CPU and Memory.
    Also what you could OC your GTX 1070 Graphics Card will not apply to a GTX 1080 Ti Graphics Card.
    Start with +20 +30 +40 +50 and so on, for not do not OC the Graphics Memory.
    Set your Fan at 70% or Better 90%
     
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 19:55:50 (permalink)
    Sounds like you may have lost the silicon lottery. At +0 on the core what frequency is the card running at after playing FO4 for 15 minutes? 
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 20:02:26 (permalink)
    @Bcavnaugh Thank you for the welcome
    I read several posts about whether or not to remove nvidia drivers when transitioning from an Nvidia to an Nvidia and it was pretty much 50/50 on removing drivers and not doing it so I opted to just update the driver once the new card was installed ( so no I didn't )
     
    Prior to having this EVGA card I had a Gigabyte and it's software, I removed it before I began trying to OC at all, so that would be a no also
     
    My MB bios is as far up to date as I know of, I have a Asus Z170-A with a 7700k.
     
    I didn't reset my motherboard
     
    I guess I have some work to do before I try to push this thing far
     
     
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    It was running at 1936 mhz for most of the +0 testing
    post edited by OverlordG - 2017/09/26 20:04:36
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 20:10:12 (permalink)
    What is the make/model/age of your power supply? Are you using two separate pci-e power cables to power the video card, or are you only using a single pci-e cable to power the video card? I would recommend using two separate cables to power the video card as it has been proven that two separate cables can help the card overclock further. See the following video for more details...
     
     
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 20:25:02 (permalink)
    @Sajin
    I'm using an EVGA 750w P2 thats a little over a year old, with a single pcie cable.
     
    I didn't cheap out on a psu so I hope it's not breaking down early. 
     
    I'm not sure if my PSU came with a stand-alone 6 pin cable, I'll give it a look and see if I can find one to use with my 8 pin.
    post edited by OverlordG - 2017/09/26 20:27:35
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 20:29:04 (permalink)
    @bcavnaugh
     
    I know the 1070 will not apply to the 1080 ti, I was just kind of modeling my OC result considering the similar architectures and all, and that's how I tried doing the overclock on my 1080 ti, afterwords anyways.
     
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 20:59:12 (permalink)
    1. I would use 2(two) separate pci-e power cables to power the 1080. I personally use 3(three) to power both of my cards, one for the 1070 and two for the 1080ti. Your power supply came with 2x 6+2-pin connectors(8-pin).

    2. If your CPU and/or memory overclock are unstable, games will crash.
    3. I would use DDU again, install the latest drivers and start again from scratch.
    4. When overclocking the GPU, max out the power limit and temp targets first, then core. Make sure the core is stable before moving on to the memory. Both of my cards do +50 core and +500 memory, which translates to 2038/9000 for the 1070 and 2038/12000 for the 1080ti.

    http://cdn.overclock.net/.cd/cd9c4a9b_Capture1.PNG

    http://cdn.overclock.net/.80/8065d163_Capture2.PNG
     
    Good luck.
     
     
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 23:09:52 (permalink)
    @Bcavnaugh @DeathAngel74
    I reset my bios to default settings
    I am now using 2 pcie power cables
    I completely uninstalled old display drivers and re-updated to the newest one
    I will post my results shortly
    also, how long after oc'ing my 1080 ti can I go back into bios and re-set my 7700k to 4.6-5ghz (depending on if I can get the voltage right again), furthermore, what is a decent voltage to set your 1080 ti to? I didn't really want to mess with it to much because I have no experience with messing with gpu voltage.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/26 23:33:13 (permalink)
    Ran Firestrike at +10 and +20 both passed
    tried Time spy at +20 and it crashed, going to run Time spy again and if it fails I'm going to increase voltage by 10%
    it should also be noted that during the +20 run in Firestrike the power % went up to the max of 120 several times.
     
    -- edit -- 
    ran Time Spy again at +20 with 10% increased voltage and it passed.
    post edited by OverlordG - 2017/09/26 23:41:50
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 00:06:00 (permalink)
    :0 nice as voltage increase also bumps core up so +20 is actually a higher clock then +20 at stock voltage. When overclocking memory I would overclock tell you notice a drop in performance then back off. As the ecc vram will let you push it to far and end up needed to correct errors causing less perofmance. Gpu boost 3.0 really take away the manual oc headroom there used to be as it boosts so much by it's self. It does make the cards performance better out of the box though which is a good thing for sales as most people don't play with overclocks
    post edited by demon09 - 2017/09/27 00:08:56
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 00:09:36 (permalink)
    +40 has consistently failed, I don't feel comfortable going into the red voltage, so I'm dropping back to +30
     
    post edited by OverlordG - 2017/09/27 00:16:00
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 00:19:17 (permalink)
    what kinda clocks have you ended up with after adding the voltage and +30? and don't worry if you push the slider all the way to the red nvidia only lets the voltage go to 1.09 ,and most times it falls down during load to lower then that. the 1.09v will probably have some more degradation over 1.05 but its probably nothing we will notice in the life time of ownership as your barely adding anything over stocks max. at least that how i feel +40mv isnt anything id be worried about if it allows to go over. but the truth is if you feel better at 1.75 there is no problem at all as whats a 10mz or so boost in clocks over worrying about things.
    post edited by demon09 - 2017/09/27 00:28:29
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 00:26:46 (permalink)
    @demon09 In between 1911-1999 it bounces around a lot.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 00:30:55 (permalink)
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    @demon09 In between 1911-1999 it bounces around a lot.

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    @demon09 In between 1911-1999 it bounces around a lot.


     
    ah sounds like you are probably running into the max power draw there? you may be able to find a happy medium where slightly lower oc with less voltage can help lower the power draw and result in a more stable oc. the memory is also worth testing to see if you drop some test and see if performance changes if it goes up or stays the same then you may as well drop it to help reduce hitting max power so often. but in the end only do this if you enjoy it as the small gain from stabilizing the clock will not be large. also make sure to test it out in some games. as i find some games like overwatch more critical of an OC then benchmarks and stress tests


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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 00:44:37 (permalink)
    I set mine to 117% , 90c and the volt slider all the way up.
    There is a max setting the bios will not go over, it is the max safe voltage they will let you use.
    I am pretty sure they are not going to let you overvolt a card and kill it, a card that they will have to replace under warranty...
     
    Also I use a fan curve I set up.
    Fan at 0 to 40c then a line to 75% at 70c then a line to 100% at 90c.
    Depending on game I am playing, BOINC project or folding work unit 100% load stays around 60c max at 1911-2015
    Even though the voltage slider is all the way up, the voltage most of the time is lower than the max it could be.
     

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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 02:08:37 (permalink)
    Sadly silicon lottery has a very big part in this, and of course the temps. When you reach higher temps the clock will dropp down at certain temperatures.


     

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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 04:23:47 (permalink)
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    @demon09 In between 1911-1999 it bounces around a lot.


    Just for comparison,
    My FTW3, using 117% Power Target and Voltage Bar all the way up, usually hits 2000Mhz / 1987Mhz, this, without adding core clock or memory clock.

    AdamInk
    Sadly silicon lottery has a very big part in this, and of course the temps. When you reach higher temps the clock will dropp down at certain temperatures.


    AdamInk couldn't said it better. Silicon plays a very big roll on this.
    Some people might get higher overclock room, while other can't overclock at all. As Demon09 said it too, GPU Boost will make most of the overclock it can, safely, on your card, giving you even less room for playing with core/memory clock.

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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 07:52:46 (permalink)
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    +40 has consistently failed, I don't feel comfortable going into the red voltage, so I'm dropping back to +30
     


    Go red. Voltage adjustments via precision/afterburner are safe.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 08:25:17 (permalink)
    If you are just using the voltage offset slider, it doesn't work very well for figuring out your max OC. Best way is to use a custom voltage-frequency curve. My opinion is that MSI Afterburner is a better tool compared to PXOC for setting the voltage-frequency curve, and since you have an SC Black there isn't really any benefit to using PXOC. 
     
    Most 1080ti users have the best luck slightly undervolting the card to find the best trade off of higher core clock speed and lower temps. Since GPU Boost 3.0 steps the clock speeds down as the temperatures increase, you will generally always see higher clock speeds by keeping your temperatures in check. You will get more consistent performance when your clocks stay at the same speed instead of bouncing around, even if the max clock speed has to be set slightly lower.
     
    If you don't want to do the custom voltage-frequency curve, I recommend you set the power and temp limits to max (120% and 90 deg C) and just let the card run to the highest clocks it wants. GPU Boost 3.0 works pretty well, so if you don't want to spend a lot of time fiddling with the OC just set it and forget it and go game.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 11:24:20 (permalink)
    +30mhz core, +500mhz memory worked best for me.
     
    That's about the most I could muster, guess I just got a dud in the silicon lottery. =( Thanks to all for all of your help.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 11:34:48 (permalink)
    Dud? You did say you got it to 2000 MHz, right?

    Typical 1080 TI overclocks range from 1950 to 2050 MHz on the core - right in the middle of the pack. There are a few outliers that are lower or higher, yet the majority fall in that 1950 to 2050 range.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 11:50:25 (permalink)
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 11:57:07 (permalink)
    Keep in mind that there is not a ton of real world performance difference between 2000 MHz core clock and 2100 MHz core clock. Honestly even at like 1900 MHz these cards are pretty beastly.
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2017/09/27 14:49:59 (permalink)
    This^^^
    Unless you're playing synthetic benchmarks more than games, 2000-2050 is fine.

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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2018/03/15 13:51:14 (permalink)
    Most of EVGA 1080 or 1080 Ti cards are already overclocked from the factory and on the 10x series there doesn't seem to be much left on the bone so to speak, I had a 1080 that I stepped up to a 1080 Ti and neither card could I get to even OC 25 Mhz on the core, but If you consider most of their cards are already going an extra 100 or so its not all that bad to be honest, I am pretty happy with the out of the box over clock speeds...  I myself am more into stability than overall speed.  I DO fully understand the desire though as I have been in this industry a LONG time and it was a MUCH bigger deal when you had a Pentium 75 MHz and you would over clock it to 120 MHz (which all I ran into but 1 would do just fine and I am talking 100's of them).  At that point in the industry it was a MUCH bigger deal to me, now a days it seems like everything is so amazingly fast on most things it doesn't seem like it is even worth it?  Maybe I have just VERY unlucky in the Silicone lottery as people are saying here...  The 970 and 980 Maxwell chips on the other hand seemed like they would almost all overclock 10-15% without much trouble.  Again I am guessing the 10x series are just out of the box already pushed closer to tolerance...
     
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2018/03/15 19:02:30 (permalink)
    Your card is FINE.  There is nothing wrong with it.  It is boosting way past spec already.  Getting really sick and tired of people posting and complaining about your cards not going even more past spec.  Your card has a 1566 stock clock and a 1670 boost clock, and you are at almost 2000!! and you're complaining you can't get even more?  What is wrong with you.  Seriously.   If you're not happy with the card, return it and someone who will appreciate it more will gladly buy it instead.  These types of posts need to stop already.  Anything you get beyond your boost clock is a gift.  You aren't guaranteed anything else.
     
    TIL a card that is almost 230MHZ over spec is a dud.

     

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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2018/03/15 19:16:15 (permalink)
    Water cool it either Hybrid or custom and get a custom voltage/frequency curve happening using AB you might get  another bin or two out of it.   Not sure if that model has the Asynchronous fans or not but if not try AB with a V/F curve before going down the watercooling route 
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2018/03/15 19:21:10 (permalink)
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    Your card is FINE.  There is nothing wrong with it.  It is boosting way past spec already.  Getting really sick and tired of people posting and complaining about your cards not going even more past spec.  Your card has a 1566 stock clock and a 1670 boost clock, and you are at almost 2000!! and you're complaining you can't get even more?  What is wrong with you.  Seriously.   If you're not happy with the card, return it and someone who will appreciate it more will gladly buy it instead.  These types of posts need to stop already.  Anything you get beyond your boost clock is a gift.  You aren't guaranteed anything else.
     
    TIL a card that is almost 230MHZ over spec is a dud.




    Yeah on the link below for the card is says "Play longer overclock better"  prob should say "Play longer, boost higher"  Wouldn't consider a 30Mhz OC great.
     
    https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6393-KR
     
     
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    Re: EVGA 1080 ti SC Black edition - can't even oc +25mhz to the core. 2018/03/15 22:06:26 (permalink)
    dual109
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    Your card is FINE.  There is nothing wrong with it.  It is boosting way past spec already.  Getting really sick and tired of people posting and complaining about your cards not going even more past spec.  Your card has a 1566 stock clock and a 1670 boost clock, and you are at almost 2000!! and you're complaining you can't get even more?  What is wrong with you.  Seriously.   If you're not happy with the card, return it and someone who will appreciate it more will gladly buy it instead.  These types of posts need to stop already.  Anything you get beyond your boost clock is a gift.  You aren't guaranteed anything else.
     
    TIL a card that is almost 230MHZ over spec is a dud.




    Yeah on the link below for the card is says "Play longer overclock better"  prob should say "Play longer, boost higher"  Wouldn't consider a 30Mhz OC great.
     
    https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6393-KR
     
     


    It has a factory boost clock of 1670, and it's already overclocking itself to almost 2000, that's a 230 Mhz overclock right there, champ.  So please, tell me, what exactly is wrong with that phrasing?  I don't think you're understanding what the boost clock is.  This would be like someone getting a new cpu that self overclocks (boosts) to 5 gig and then complains that they can't push it to 5.2 when the processor itself only has a stock clock of 4.2.  A 30Mhz overclock on an already overclocked chip that is not even a 2% increase in performance from it's overclocked position is within the margin of error.  To complain about it when you already have an almost 20% overclock from your base clock, is ignorant.  If OP wants to overclock even more, get better cooling as others have stated.  As the card is, it's performing perfectly fine and is overclocking great as 2000Mhz is pretty darn good for a non water cooled 1080Ti.  Heck most 1080Ti FTW3's weren't even stable on air.  Just spend some time and read the forums.  2 grand is fantastic.  Anything higher generally needs water.

     

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