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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/20 08:48:31
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DJSeb Any CPU recommendations? My current CPU is i5 4670K and I'm thinking it might be bottlenecking my 1080 and soon 1080ti.
I am also worried about bottlenecking, I've read that it all depends on the resolution and refresh rate that you intend to you. In the worst case scenario's you'll see like a 10 FPS drop or so if not using an i7 for example. But according to many Bottlenecking analsysis tools on the web the i5 is a bottleneck for the GTX 1080 Ti. I am still on Haswell, and if I were to upgrade the CPU along with all the other upgrades I am making.. I might as well just build a whole new PC. I was thinking to just pick up a used i7 4790k as I don't want to limit the 1080 Ti in anyway. I know I'll be using at least 144Hz all the time @ 1440p. I'll just have to wait and see, might end up doing a whole new build and getting the best processor out there (only thing holding me back is lack of energy to put a PC together)
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/20 11:33:24
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DJSeb Any CPU recommendations? My current CPU is i5 4670K and I'm thinking it might be bottlenecking my 1080 and soon 1080ti.
I am also worried about bottlenecking, I've read that it all depends on the resolution and refresh rate that you intend to you. In the worst case scenario's you'll see like a 10 FPS drop or so if not using an i7 for example. But according to many Bottlenecking analsysis tools on the web the i5 is a bottleneck for the GTX 1080 Ti.
I am still on Haswell, and if I were to upgrade the CPU along with all the other upgrades I am making.. I might as well just build a whole new PC. I was thinking to just pick up a used i7 4790k as I don't want to limit the 1080 Ti in anyway. I know I'll be using at least 144Hz all the time @ 1440p.
I'll just have to wait and see, might end up doing a whole new build and getting the best processor out there (only thing holding me back is lack of energy to put a PC together)
Ya i kinda am wondering the same thing.. Heck im seeing my 4790k running at 75-90% utilization in BF1 and thats with 2 overclocked sli 780ti's (running a X34 21:9 monitor at 100hz)... Hoping sli puts more stress on the cpu then just 1 card that is faster... ?
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/20 18:10:17
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Can't believe we still have no idea about pricing or availability for AIB cards
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/20 18:35:38
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This thread has pointed out quite a few times there is an NDA. The fact that we have seen no prices from any AIB cards from any manufacturers should tell you something. Some of them would have certainly released prices, if they could.
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2017/03/20 20:00:11
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I bought a 1080Ti FE from gigabyte (don't ask, its all they had left...) and I'm not able to get 60fps on a 34" Ultrawide (3440x1440 - ghost recon). I've been waiting on the AIB release so that I can overclock in peace...
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/20 21:44:15
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jovalabs I bought a 1080Ti FE from gigabyte (don't ask, its all they had left...) and I'm not able to get 60fps on a 34" Ultrawide (3440x1440 - ghost recon). I've been waiting on the AIB release so that I can overclock in peace...
Thats odd you can do 60fps at 4k, and 3440x1440 is alot less pixels to run.. You might be bottlenecking. What cpu and ram u running.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/20 22:20:58
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jovalabs I bought a 1080Ti FE from gigabyte (don't ask, its all they had left...) and I'm not able to get 60fps on a 34" Ultrawide (3440x1440 - ghost recon). I've been waiting on the AIB release so that I can overclock in peace...
Thats odd you can do 60fps at 4k, and 3440x1440 is alot less pixels to run.. You might be bottlenecking. What cpu and ram u running.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 01:15:50
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Why EVGA GTX1080Ti Founders Edition cost 899$ or more? And other brands 699$... Because they are out of stock? I thought official price is 699$ for FE. Anyway I will wait Radeon Vega to compare performance and price.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 02:30:10
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Vlada011 I see 699 from Newegg newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487335&ignorebbr=1 All that is offered at a higher price is the offers of third-party sellers. If you look at Amazon or Ebey, you will see scalpers everywhere
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 02:44:39
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Dear EVGA, I have been an EVGA GPU buyer ever since I got the money to get them. I am considering skipping the 1080ti. The reason is quite simple Im not gonna wait till may to get an AiB version. Buying a Ti is still paying for a premium over what will be a better 80's next gen version in 10 months for minus 100-150 dollars. This means that a large part of the decision to buy which card is based on when it will become available. Thus the first AiB that hits the market with better performance and less noise will take a hugh cut out of the market. People who buy 700 dollar GPU's are not the saving kind. The market that buys these GPU will barely get new commers over time and thus is biggest at the start and decreases fast over time. I probably sit this one out for 3 reason. 1 Im not gonna pay 800 dollars for a card that will be surpassed in 6-8 months by the 650 dollars FE card. 2 I expect the dollar to go down under Trump in next 6 months (I buy in Euros). 3 I read online about 1080's cooling issues (to put it nicely, enventhough they are solved I rather wait another card release to be sure). I dont know what the delay is all about with the EVGA 1080Ti's AiB but IMO its not a good move. Even if NVDIA has a embargo over the first week/month with FE versions you better get your AiB's out the second its lifted. Im not saying this to be a hater, im saying it because I want to buy your stuff. 2-3 months after launch im just paying too much premium eventhough I easily could pay it. Taking an extra month to get your AiB out (compared to competitors) takes away 10% of the premium unless your getting 10% extra performance its not worth it. PS Don't put down "comming soon" on something that will be there in 2 months.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 03:36:08
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LuckyB3st3rd Dear EVGA, I have been an EVGA GPU buyer ever since I got the money to get them. I am considering skipping the 1080ti. The reason is quite simple Im not gonna wait till may to get an AiB version. Buying a Ti is still paying for a premium over what will be a better 80's next gen version in 10 months for minus 100-150 dollars. This means that a large part of the decision to buy which card is based on when it will become available. Thus the first AiB that hits the market with better performance and less noise will take a hugh cut out of the market. People who buy 700 dollar GPU's are not the saving kind. The market that buys these GPU will barely get new commers over time and thus is biggest at the start and decreases fast over time. I probably sit this one out for 3 reason. 1 Im not gonna pay 800 dollars for a card that will be surpassed in 6-8 months by the 650 dollars FE card. 2 I expect the dollar to go down under Trump in next 6 months (I buy in Euros). 3 I read online about 1080's cooling issues (to put it nicely, enventhough they are solved I rather wait another card release to be sure). I dont know what the delay is all about with the EVGA 1080Ti's AiB but IMO its not a good move. Even if NVDIA has a embargo over the first week/month with FE versions you better get your AiB's out the second its lifted. Im not saying this to be a hater, im saying it because I want to buy your stuff. 2-3 months after launch im just paying too much premium eventhough I easily could pay it. Taking an extra month to get your AiB out (compared to competitors) takes away 10% of the premium unless your getting 10% extra performance its not worth it. PS Don't put down "comming soon" on something that will be there in 2 months.
Hi friend, and welcome on community. I suppose you are EVGA customer longer time. It's not most important to buy graphic card 10 days after launch, better to look when you really need upgrade. Or maybe you don't need necessary but you want to upgrade from some reason and you need to be little patient. GTX1080Ti will be attractive 12 months before something new show up. And than even if new show up could cost 1200$. We wait 10 months before famous GP102 become affordable for wider gaming population, for new graphic card that could be 18-24 months from now. For 20-30 days GTX1080Ti will be available everywhere, only depend how much will cost. You could bought this (GP102) before several months, only price was much higher, 500$ more.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 04:59:59
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Hey guy's, I just got the 1080 FTW and registered the card and i have this : Step-Up Information: The EVGA Step-Up allows you to upgrade your product within 90 days of your original purchase date. For details, look over our Step-Up section under Support. Start a new Step-Up. Days Left 86 So will i be able to step up to the SC2 1080Ti or FTW3 ? It's my first EVGA card ( And my first card for a pc too ) And how can i apply for a step up for the next card can someone explain to me please Sorry if my English is not great, I'm french
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 06:59:38
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TDBMadness Hey guy's, I just got the 1080 FTW and registered the card and i have this : Step-Up Information: The EVGA Step-Up allows you to upgrade your product within 90 days of your original purchase date. For details, look over our Step-Up section under Support. Start a new Step-Up. Days Left 86
So will i be able to step up to the SC2 1080Ti or FTW3 ? It's my first EVGA card ( And my first card for a pc too ) And how can i apply for a step up for the next card can someone explain to me please Sorry if my English is not great, I'm french
Most likely NOT. Only reference cards like the FE or possibly if EVGA releases a reference TI with ICX cooler attached....Most custom cards like the SC / SC2 or FTW are rarely offered for stepup. When the 1080 series was first released, there were some 1080 SC cards offered for about one hour...then pulled from stepup, never to return. You have a decent amount of time to sit back and watch to see if EVGA releases the reference 1080 TI with ICX cooler.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 08:01:06
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LuckyB3st3rd Dear EVGA, I have been an EVGA GPU buyer ever since I got the money to get them. I am considering skipping the 1080ti. The reason is quite simple Im not gonna wait till may to get an AiB version. Buying a Ti is still paying for a premium over what will be a better 80's next gen version in 10 months for minus 100-150 dollars. This means that a large part of the decision to buy which card is based on when it will become available. Thus the first AiB that hits the market with better performance and less noise will take a hugh cut out of the market. People who buy 700 dollar GPU's are not the saving kind. The market that buys these GPU will barely get new commers over time and thus is biggest at the start and decreases fast over time. I probably sit this one out for 3 reason. 1 Im not gonna pay 800 dollars for a card that will be surpassed in 6-8 months by the 650 dollars FE card. 2 I expect the dollar to go down under Trump in next 6 months (I buy in Euros). 3 I read online about 1080's cooling issues (to put it nicely, enventhough they are solved I rather wait another card release to be sure). I dont know what the delay is all about with the EVGA 1080Ti's AiB but IMO its not a good move. Even if NVDIA has a embargo over the first week/month with FE versions you better get your AiB's out the second its lifted. Im not saying this to be a hater, im saying it because I want to buy your stuff. 2-3 months after launch im just paying too much premium eventhough I easily could pay it. Taking an extra month to get your AiB out (compared to competitors) takes away 10% of the premium unless your getting 10% extra performance its not worth it. PS Don't put down "comming soon" on something that will be there in 2 months.
Same here friend. I already sold my 1080 FTW Hybrid and now I play on my old 980 SC Ghost Recon Wildlands on 1440p which is pita... I also buy in euro so yeah $ will get down but I will get the 1080TI but I guess from another company actually the first one that sell a card that is not too loud and with good cooler and PCB. Heck I will buy even Asus who I think make the worst graphic card (as I owned one 2 years ago) I mean there card looks descent. Descent PCB stays cool and overclocks good tho I still thin the FTW will be better as well as THE Aorus and the MSI Gaming X I just wont wait 2 months for a specific company to start selling their custom cards as they all use the same chip even tho my last 3 graphic cards were EVGA and I was really satisfied from them and quality. A think that I cannot say about Asus.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 08:47:49
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I would like to know where you guys are getting your information. Who said that the other Manufacturers except EVGA are releasing their AIB cards? Who said EVGA will not come out with the FTW until 2 months after everyone else? As far as I am aware, no Manufacturer has confirmed a release date or a price for their AIB versions, certainly not EVGA. Wherever you guys are hearing all this stuff, you are believing rumors and speculation. It makes more sense to wait for some confirmed information before posting about the delays and late release by EVGA, which I suspect is not going to happen.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:01:32
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essenbe I would like to know where you guys are getting your information. Who said that the other Manufacturers except EVGA are releasing their AIB cards? Who said EVGA will not come out with the FTW until 2 months after everyone else? As far as I am aware, no Manufacturer has confirmed a release date or a price for their AIB versions, certainly not EVGA. Wherever you guys are hearing all this stuff, you are believing rumors and speculation. It makes more sense to wait for some confirmed information before posting about the delays and late release by EVGA, which I suspect is not going to happen.
Here: Here: Here: And from what I've red in other EVGA forum the FTW will be released in May.... :( It deletes my hyperlinks. Sites are guru3d , PC Authority and wccftech
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:02:46
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essenbe I would like to know where you guys are getting your information. Who said that the other Manufacturers except EVGA are releasing their AIB cards? Who said EVGA will not come out with the FTW until 2 months after everyone else? As far as I am aware, no Manufacturer has confirmed a release date or a price for their AIB versions, certainly not EVGA. Wherever you guys are hearing all this stuff, you are believing rumors and speculation. It makes more sense to wait for some confirmed information before posting about the delays and late release by EVGA, which I suspect is not going to happen.
The rumour about the release dates at least is not a rumour, assuming that other manufacturers make good on their claims of late March/early April for AIB releases, EVGA already confirmed on OcUK's forum that the FTW3 shouldn't be expected until May. Obviously that's not 2 months, and maybe something on EVGA's end has changed, but those thoughts about EVGA FTW3 being behind other manufacturer's AIB releases are based on info given out by manufacturers themselves.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:18:28
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Here: Here: Here: And from what I've red in other EVGA forum the FTW will be released in May.... :( It deletes my hyperlinks. Sites are guru3d , PC Authority and wccftech
You need 11 posts before links will work. Please put a space before .com, like this www.evga .com, so we can see what you have for now.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:22:15
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I'm waiting till Friday for a release date, maybe next week. If not a single partner has given a date I'm just breaking down and buying a fe or x. Whatever I can get my hands on. I've had everything for my new PC since February I'm tired of waiting lol. Got a new desk, new monitors, all the good stuff but I think from a production standpoint 3 weeks is plenty of time to give your customers a date even if it's a few weeks later than what it might come out. Anything is better than a TBA.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:27:53
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Friday marks 14 days since launch, so hopefully that is a good omen for AIB's to make a few announcements.
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2017/03/21 09:31:14
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Scarlet-Tech Friday marks 14 days since launch, so hopefully that is a good omen for AIB's to make a few announcements.
That's what I was thinking. Don't get me wrong I'd like something now but 2 weeks is where some info from them should realistically be expected. If not maybe 3 but anything over that is just a little insane in a market like this and with the amount of technology we have now.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:38:52
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essenbe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5pmbuy-bjA At :45
Well according to Steve the FTW3 will launch in the next few weeks. And since it seems to usually be a week or so behind the SC cards, I'm guessing mid-April for the FTW3. Of course they could wait until May, but I don't think that people will wait that long. Not when it looks like we will be getting the Asus cards end of the month and I just don't think EVGA wants to be behind by that much. But then again I could be completely wrong and they could all launch in May, or Friday. But really I just want some info regarding them this week at some point.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:44:14
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essenbe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5pmbuy-bjA At :45
Well according to Steve the FTW3 will launch in the next few weeks. And since it seems to usually be a week or so behind the SC cards, I'm guessing mid-April for the FTW3. Of course they could wait until May, but I don't think that people will wait that long. Not when it looks like we will be getting the Asus cards end of the month and I just don't think EVGA wants to be behind by that much. But then again I could be completely wrong and they could all launch in May, or Friday. But really I just want some info regarding them this week at some point.
I would be happy to be wrong but just working on the solid info that we've had so far (which granted, isn't much). I know Gamers Nexus said "few weeks" but that's very ambiguous and could still easily mean May, in addition, an actual EVGA staff member posted here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-thread.18761963/page-142#post-30566506 I, like you, would just really like some info that's not posted on a forum and appears on EVGA's own website, and I'd like it as soon as possible. I'd also love to be wrong about the release date and have it be early April as well, because I'll buy one the second they are available if that's the case.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:45:58
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An austrian/german shop launched prices for the ftw3 and sc2 cards, the prices for both cards are 1009€. (probably early bird prices). The sc2 card got an estimated release date aswell, it's 27.04.2017 cyberport.at/?DEEP=2E29-08Z&APID=66 cyberport.at/?DEEP=2E29-090&APID=66
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 09:55:49
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Pet0r I would be happy to be wrong but just working on the solid info that we've had so far (which granted, isn't much). I know Gamers Nexus said "few weeks" but that's very ambiguous and could still easily mean May, in addition, an actual EVGA staff member posted here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-thread.18761963/page-142#post-30566506 I, like you, would just really like some info that's not posted on a forum and appears on EVGA's own website, and I'd like it as soon as possible. I'd also love to be wrong about the release date and have it be early April as well, because I'll buy one the second they are available if that's the case.
One thing for UK members to remember, and this is my best understanding and could be wrong. The cards are manufactured, then put on a ship (boat) to the Brea California office for packaging. Once in Brea, they are tested and split up to be shipped out to retailers and other regions. From brea, they are moved to another port for shipping (another boat) toward UK. It takes time for the boat to get to UK, then verify shipment is correct, and then add them to the store. Yes, Ben @ EVGA, which is strange that his name isnt evgatech_ben like they do for these forums, says dont expect availability until May... that doesnt mean they wont be announced before. It could be announced earlier and made available to the US before it ships to the UK office. Is this frustrating for UK users? Sure.. would UK users rather tack on another $50 to pay for faster shipping to get them to UK? probably not. A few people will instantly scream "YES! GET THEM HERE FASTER" but 99% of users dont even look at these forums and wouldn't understand a huge price hike out of nowhere. EVGA is not a large company like ASUS, so they dont get a lot.of the shipping breaks that the other companies get, so it ends up costing the users far more. Another thing to keep in mind, the SC2 and FTW3 are custom pcb's due to the extra temperature sensors and all of the fancy new icx technology, so it is going to take longer for the icx technology cards to come out. Other manufacturers do not have to account for that.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 10:03:31
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Pet0r I would be happy to be wrong but just working on the solid info that we've had so far (which granted, isn't much). I know Gamers Nexus said "few weeks" but that's very ambiguous and could still easily mean May, in addition, an actual EVGA staff member posted here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-thread.18761963/page-142#post-30566506 I, like you, would just really like some info that's not posted on a forum and appears on EVGA's own website, and I'd like it as soon as possible. I'd also love to be wrong about the release date and have it be early April as well, because I'll buy one the second they are available if that's the case.
One thing for UK members to remember, and this is my best understanding and could be wrong.
The cards are manufactured, then put on a ship (boat) to the Brea California office for packaging. Once in Brea, they are tested and split up to be shipped out to retailers and other regions. From brea, they are moved to another port for shipping (another boat) toward UK. It takes time for the boat to get to UK, then verify shipment is correct, and then add them to the store.
Yes, Ben @ EVGA, which is strange that his name isnt evgatech_ben like they do for these forums, says dont expect availability until May... that doesnt mean they wont be announced before. It could be announced earlier and made available to the US before it ships to the UK office.
Is this frustrating for UK users? Sure.. would UK users rather tack on another $50 to pay for faster shipping to get them to UK? probably not. A few people will instantly scream "YES! GET THEM HERE FASTER" but 99% of users dont even look at these forums and wouldn't understand a huge price hike out of nowhere. EVGA is not a large company like ASUS, so they dont get a lot.of the shipping breaks that the other companies get, so it ends up costing the users far more.
Of course there is a difference between announcing and "availability" and right now I think that's what most people are hoping for ASAP - an announcement. I don't think anyone really expects availability this week but some people are expecting an announcement. For reference the EVGA employee there is Ben Wilson and can also be contacted on his @evga.com e-mail address. Some other related information: https://forums.overclocke...8773034/#post-30615149 For reference I'm in the boat of people who would be happy to pay $50 for faster shipping (and in fact perhaps that should be an option when purchasing direct from EVGA's website)!
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 10:24:21
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Pet0r Of course there is a difference between announcing and "availability" and right now I think that's what most people are hoping for ASAP - an announcement. I don't think anyone really expects availability this week but some people are expecting an announcement. For reference the EVGA employee there is Ben Wilson and can also be contacted on his @evga.com e-mail address. Some other related information: https://forums.overclocke...8773034/#post-30615149 For reference I'm in the boat of people who would be happy to pay $50 for faster shipping (and in fact perhaps that should be an option when purchasing direct from EVGA's website)!
Hopefully we get an announcement soon. I dont think a lot of people will be willing to tack an extra $50 on top of every card, when they are already paying some pretty significant shipping charges already. I am meaning that the $50 would be added to the base price just to get it there, then the users qould have to pay to get the shipped from evga uk to their homes. Plenty of people already complain about the price of the cards in Euro versus in USD as it stands.. adding extra on would just add fuel to the fire.
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 10:25:41
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Tuxedo. An austrian/german shop launched prices for the ftw3 and sc2 cards, the prices for both cards are 1009€. (probably early bird prices). The sc2 card got an estimated release date aswell, it's 27.04.2017 cyberport.at/?DEEP=2E29-08Z&APID=66 cyberport.at/?DEEP=2E29-090&APID=66
The conversion rate to USD makes that close to Titan money. Wow!
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Re: EVGA 1080 Ti with iCX
2017/03/21 12:09:42
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Tuxedo. An austrian/german shop launched prices for the ftw3 and sc2 cards, the prices for both cards are 1009€. (probably early bird prices). The sc2 card got an estimated release date aswell, it's 27.04.2017 cyberport.at/?DEEP=2E29-08Z&APID=66 cyberport.at/?DEEP=2E29-090&APID=66
The conversion rate to USD makes that close to Titan money. Wow!
Remember those prices include the equivalent of the UK VAT (it's the MWST below the price). You can't simply translate those to USD.
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