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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/21 06:40:17 (permalink)
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There is already Z68 G3 edition boards that support PCIe 3.0

 
True, but you need the CPU to support them in the end otherwise it's just a gimmick for now.
 
I guess the mobos could come with PCI-E 3.0 support regardless, they probably will as it seems most manufacturers were expecting intel to go for PCI-E 3.0... then we'd have to wait for PCI-E 3.0 capable CPUs however D:
 
I *hope* I'm wrong.
 
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I think intel is being very short sighted... unless they know things we don't about Bulldozer, and this is designed to compete with it ASAP.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/21 09:22:15 (permalink)
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/21 09:28:11 (permalink)
looks nice so far, damn tease...lol

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/21 10:20:57 (permalink)
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I think intel is being very short sighted... unless they know things we don't about Bulldozer, and this is designed to compete with it ASAP.
I consider the bolded a "duh".
 
Multi-billion dollar industries know more about each other than the rumors that average folks get a hold of, and they know it much sooner.  Nothing about rumors are obvious because we don't have the big picture, those that leak aren't obligated to tell us everything, especially when they don't have access to everything.  So if we want a better idea, we need to look elsewhere, and not just other rumors.
 
Intel has maintained a one-step-ahead strategy for five years, only succeeding their own when AMD can actually threaten it.  Sandy Bridge mainstream was the counter-attack to the delayed AMD Fusion (Llano), that's why it debuted first.  Bulldozer's high-end desktop and server poses a threat to Intel's current desktop and server lines.  But until it is out in each segment, Intel is sitting pretty.  No need to debut anything early or late to give either consumers or AMD the opportunity to shift market share. 
 
When I say poses a threat, I don't mean outperform, because what does Intel care about the most: Sales.  Not everyone/company pays whatever it takes for the best, the rest of the majority are about price-performance and they are most tempeted by AMD-- so Intel prevents this from happening by staying one-step-ahead all the time.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/21 11:51:19 (permalink)
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@Agression Prime since I know about EVGA on December 2010 i´m totally loyal to EVGA buying a lot of stuff for the labo(primary graphics cards and motherboards) except the 2 Sandy Bridge 2600k due to delay which choosed Asrock P67 Extreme6 but have a g210 and gt430 and is running as a frontend and backend linux servers.
Tyan is expensive and could not obtain the performance friendly like SR-2 for the CUDA simulations of the 4way sli GTX470 thats why i´m looking for some info about the future SR-3.
A 4p/2p g34/c32 6200/4200 Opteron Interlagos/Valencia with full overclock support will be an option for EVGA but probably is now out of specs.
Here we are currently out of funds until Jan 2012  because the project is not a priority now for gov/university and i must justify every buck spended so i was asking to anticipate and make some moves to reserve funds or even get a sponsor who could pay part of this research.
I´m planning of sell/loan the  part time of the CPU/GPU which is not busy for other people and projects to make some money or probably like i said on another posts this research must be closed and i will be unemployed :(.
So spot some SR-3 info will make me and the enthusiast SR-2  community happy because Jacob is the man who has partly the key to the dark side of the socket :P.

PD:Sorry for my english is not my primary language ;) EVGA FTW!!!

 
CUDA does not need SLI or a gaming motherboard. And EVGA has not made an AMD motherboard in a while. If you want the best price/performance solution, I suggest finding any motherboard with 6-7 PCIe 16x slots since nVidia estimates that a 1 CPU core:1 GPU is a good enough ratio to ensure balance between resources. If you are dependent on more CPU resources, needing more than 2 CPUs, although I am only a watcher of technological developments, I can ensure you the chances of EVGA making a board that supports more than 2 CPUs is slim to none as it would require them to change their marketing strategy. It was somewhat of a surprise that they introduced a dual CPU board, but 2 CPUs is the limit of consumer OS's, so it is not unthinkable for a gaming/mainstream machine to have 2 CPU's and EVGA's main market is to the gaming/mainstream community. However, once you hit 2+ CPUs (4-way and 8-way), you have reached the server market, and EVGA has never invested in the server market to this point. Things could change of course, but I doubt EVGA would refocus their efforts when they are doing so well with the focus they have. And besides, the server market is ruled quite well as it is by Tyan and Supermicro. EVGA is sure to make a LGA2011 board with 6-7 PCIe slots as they have done this for P55, P67, and X58. Unless if you need the extra CPU power, from a price/performance ratio, I would suggest getting a X79 single socket board with 6-7 PCIe slots and load it up with the cheapest 6-core LGA2011 you can find and those 470's. If you think you need more CPU power, the "SR-3" should be available about a month after EVGA launches its first LGA2011 boards, but I doubt you will need that much CPU power if you are just using 4 GPUs and running CUDA, from a price/performance perspective. But of course, EVGA's SR-2/SR-3 solution is one of the least expensive dual CPU solutions around fortunately since it is focused on the non-server market.
 
Also, to those wishing for 3-socket motherboards, do realize that the computer industry likes to have nice x^2 figures. It was odd that 3-core, 6-core, and 12-core CPUs were introduced, but that mostly happened to help die costs. It would not make sense to have 3-socket motherboards because once you move past 2 sockets, you restrict yourself to using a server OS, and the server market wants to maximize price/performance. The amount of circuity for a motherboard with 3-way and 4-way CPU configurations would be the same, so might as well make it 4-way to maximize the price/performance figure. And besides, Intel's and AMD's official CPU topographies only have 1P, 2P, 4P, and 8P configurations.
 
As for 8-slot RAM configurations, realize that the more RAM modules you put in each channel, the more stress it puts on the CPU causing Intel to lower the officially supported ratings for 8-slot and 12-slot configurations. While it is possible to make a LGA2011 board with up to 12 RAM slots (3 per channel), it would take a lot of space and from a purely performance perspective, wouldn't be worth it since people seeking maximum performance would use 1/3 of the slots. Currently, bound by official standards, you can easily place 4 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 modules with a LGA2011 CPU, giving you 16GB of 51.2GB/s bandwidth. Now I'm only running 4GB on my machine and in no way is it a gaming machine (being a 4 year old laptop), but I would be confident in saying that games won't use more than 16GB of system RAM. When they start to, 8GB DDR3 should be available. From a workstation market, the extra RAM may be useful, but those concerned with just raw performance, the speed is most important as the RAM usage will be less in games than workstation applications.
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/21 18:36:02 (permalink)
More pics or it didn't happen...
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/22 00:18:42 (permalink)
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 where is the PCI 1x located?  asking because of soundcards


All PCIe sockets are backward compatible with x1 cards no matter if it's 16x, 8x or 4x so I don't understand your point.
The only concern being how it effects SLI users which shouldn't be much of an issue with the Sandy Bridge-E architecture with it's 32+ lane PCI-Express 2.0 hub on die and X79,s 8 GB/s of bandwidth awesome possibilities here vs the DMI (physical PCI-Express 2.0 x4) of P67
 

 
I believe he is referring to the location of the x1 slot for using his sound card because of most cases having 7 expansion slots and the layout of the PCB, not bandwidth of the slot on the board. The perfect (and only one that I can think of) example is how the X58 classified E759 and E760 have an x1 slot above the first x16 slot so you can have 3 way SLI and a dedicated sound card. Where as most other boards waste that top expansion slot on your case. Boards without this extra x1 slot above the primary x16 slot do not allow 3 way SLI and a sound card, because of the PCB layout. This is important to me as well and was one of the biggest selling points of the X58 classified to me. Now that there will not be a northbridge to cool with a massive heatsink, this PCB layout should be even easier for them to implement.
 
I need 3 way SLI and a sound card. I just hope this time around on the X79 Classy, the heatsink above the PCI-E slots (or lack thereof) will allow a full sized x1 sound card, and not limit you to a short card because of that extra little bump on the bottom of the heatsink (the only ones that fit are the X-Fi titanium, and X-fi titanium fatality. I also wonder what the reason for the bump was?). I'd like to have a choice of any sound card as well as 3 way SLI all in a 7 expansion slot case. 
 
Another thing I'd like to see is a 4 way X79 classy that doesn't waste the top 2 expansion slots as the E762 4 way X58 does. This is the reason that board needs a 10 slot case. I wouldn't mind having to use a 10 slot case, if I could fill all 10 slots. There must have been a reason for it with the E762 (my guess is the 2x NF200's), but hopefully they can get it done this time around, even with 2 NF200s, in the EATX form factor. Or even XL-ATX with 3x NF200's and 9x PCI-E x16's. I realize that is probably asking for too much, but imagine 4 way SLI, a dedicated sound card, and a RAID card. That would be amazing. I just hate to see wasted space on a board that could have PCI-E slots, because I want to populate as many as possible.  But hopefully Intel implements PCI-E 3.0 on X79 (actually the PCI-E controller is on the CPU die itself now I believe) so we don't need NF200s, or at least less on a 4 way board. But I'm sure Nvidia will require the NF200 artificially for 4 way SLI anyway just so they can sell those chips. Nvidia has done stuff like this before since they where pushed out of the Intel chipset market. Weren't they going to require an NF200 for 3 way SLI on X58 originally before the chipset was released? An artificial limitation to sell chips of course, because they weren't allowed a licence by Intel to make a Nehalem chipset. 
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/22 00:19:14 (permalink)
can we see the mosfet :)
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/22 07:16:54 (permalink)
Come on let us show some more details from this board
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 05:36:44 (permalink)
you know what really scares me here is that SO MANY other manufacturers fully showed off their x79 boards a while back. Just now evga gives a tease. Not even a full shot. This leads me to believe that once again evga is behind on their motherboard development.
 
Evga, are you on track for an on time release this time. P67 was a disaster. Dont do the same thing with x79, or me thinks you will be losing a vital amount of your hardware enthusiast group.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 06:05:07 (permalink)
If early adoption is your end game EVGA is not your board and  that has always been true with EVGA but, you can not equate the B3 revision debacle with a typical EVGA release. They spared us the frustration of rushing a lemon to the public. In my mind that's a good thing.  I understand your concern but do not believe this will happen again because it simply is not in Intel's best interest. If EVGA is a month behind the rest of the pack with x79 I'd be surprised but they will be behind as always.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 06:13:20 (permalink)
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you know what really scares me here is that SO MANY other manufacturers fully showed off their x79 boards a while back. Just now evga gives a tease. Not even a full shot. This leads me to believe that once again evga is behind on their motherboard development.
 

+1
I'm still waiting for Z68 



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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 06:36:02 (permalink)
Yea it probably wasn't even an actual image... probably just a really good render haha.
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 06:37:53 (permalink)
I doubt the Z will happen but I could be wrong. It simply isn't the enthusiast board most EVGA peeps are looking for. The best selling 6 series boards don't have the DVI/HDMI or Display port output making Lucid-Virtu moot and SSD caching is for those that haven't upgraded to SSD for the OS otherwise P67 clocks and performs the same. If IGP is your need understand your OC will suffer using it I have an MSI Z68A-GD80 and it's a great board It will likely end up as an HTPC or personal server for me so don't get me wrong but even with all the bells and whistles it's not much better than P67 let alone X58 with an Extreme Proc. The true enthusiast platform will be X79 and I see EVGA's best bet as focusing on that.  If you have P67 now would you upgrade to Z68??? not likely If you have X58 no reason at this point not to wait for X79 but that's just my 2 cents.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 07:32:14 (permalink)
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This is preliminary, most of you probably know what it is...




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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 09:03:41 (permalink)
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If early adoption is your end game EVGA is not your board and  that has always been true with EVGA but, you can not equate the B3 revision debacle with a typical EVGA release. They spared us the frustration of rushing a lemon to the public. In my mind that's a good thing.  I understand your concern but do not believe this will happen again because it simply is not in Intel's best interest. If EVGA is a month behind the rest of the pack with x79 I'd be surprised but they will be behind as always.

 
I understand that EVGA ususally hangs behind just a little, but 4 months after the recall, not the original release is terrible, in any business' eyes.
 
Being that they are behind quite a bit even on just showing anything on the x79 the 3g 580 fiasco, and the p67 one...well, it is totally justifiable to speculate on. I understand that the sr3 or what ever it is going to be called might take longer...that is understandable

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 11:17:14 (permalink)
Can't wait for this!  I'm definitely gonna start saving for this, or maybe even the dual socket version
 
Looks like I won't be going out for quite a while!


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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 16:27:38 (permalink)
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Can't wait for this!  I'm definitely gonna start saving for this, or maybe even the dual socket version

Looks like I won't be going out for quite a while!

 
Dual socket x79 will be ridiculous... the amount of PCI-E bandwidth alone will be awesome.
 
Come on Intel... don't drop PCI-E 3.0!
 
... and stop trying to gimp the chipset >.> I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 16:37:59 (permalink)
SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.

 
You got it


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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 16:38:56 (permalink)
I'll hold onto my X58 set-up for a while. Unless microcenter has $200 2011 socket processors i'll be waiting for price drops and a revision of the first generation.

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 16:54:47 (permalink)
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SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.


You got it

 
I'd also like dual sockets on my mobo, thx.
 

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 17:32:45 (permalink)
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SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.


You got it

 
evga delivers! I'm looking forward to seeing what these chips are capable of... there's no 4-way support on AMD chips so I won't be leaving Intel any time soon.
 
I'm also hoping that's a confirmation the rumours I've seen of there being cut down chipsets is false... or atleast that evga won't use them Either way works!

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 17:51:07 (permalink)
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SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.

You got it

evga delivers!
Chances are the support was always there, so it is an easy promise to make.
SiriusDragon
there's no 4-way support on AMD chips so I won't be leaving Intel any time soon.
Pardons if I've misunderstood, what are you talking about
 
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I'm also hoping that's a confirmation the rumours I've seen of there being cut down chipsets is false... or atleast that evga won't use them
Patsburg is like Cougar Point, it is just a southbridge chipset and can apply in many board types.  X79 is just one type, and it is and always has been vendor perogative which features to enable.  If EVGA feels enabling all of it will helps their sales and/or reputation, they will.
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 18:26:39 (permalink)
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SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.


You got it

 
How about a 4 Way SLI version? 

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 18:33:44 (permalink)
so much want!
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 19:19:11 (permalink)
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SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.

You got it

evga delivers!
Chances are the support was always there, so it is an easy promise to make.
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there's no 4-way support on AMD chips so I won't be leaving Intel any time soon.
Pardons if I've misunderstood, what are you talking about

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I'm also hoping that's a confirmation the rumours I've seen of there being cut down chipsets is false... or atleast that evga won't use them
Patsburg is like Cougar Point, it is just a southbridge chipset and can apply in many board types.  X79 is just one type, and it is and always has been vendor perogative which features to enable.  If EVGA feels enabling all of it will helps their sales and/or reputation, they will.


sorry, i meant 4-way sli, not 4 sockets. i'd barely be able to use 2 sockets, let alone 4 x.x
 
i think it'd definately be in evga's interest to use the 'full feature' versions of the chipsets, atleast for their high end boards :)

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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 19:29:38 (permalink)
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SiriusDragon I'd like lots of 'native' SATA/SAS ports on my mobo, kthx.


You got it


How about a 4 Way SLI version? 

 
Yup!


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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 19:32:14 (permalink)
Skipping the tasty questions, I see...
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 19:59:40 (permalink)
14 sata ports , 4 pcie 3.0 slots.... 2x slots running both sides etc... :) cant wait
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Re:An Upcoming EVGA Motherboard... 2011/07/25 20:56:58 (permalink)
Will the 4 PCIe 3.0 slots be dedicated so you can populate the other slots without reducing bandwidth to your GPUs? And any clues on what the bandwidth on the other slots will be?

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