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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/04 21:33:18
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http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Classified-Dual-Channel-MotherboardEATX-152-HR-E979-KR/product-reviews/B00K2KMOPC/ref=dpx_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
Ignore the problem that isn't a problem ?! When I spend $380 I'm not ignoring anything. Regardless of what is wrong I think we all know we were told a lie by saying it is a typo in the manual after they tested a board etc. for 2-3 weeks and initially said a bios reporting issue. It isn't just the slot issue either, mutiple people are having issues with the sound and other little things I did not mention just because. I will say my ASUS Z97 Deluxe is flawless ans has done everything expected then some and I paid $90 less.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/17 16:04:13
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So running in lane 2 and 4 will get you 16x ? I'm about ready to buy this board but reading these threads is no bueno ?
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/17 16:08:57
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Reading this thread doesn't help, and neither does the fact that I found that the z87 Classified is doing the same thing, yet EVGA hasn't addressed that part yet. I still like the board, but they definitely need to undo this promise that they have made and SHOULD compensate the users with either a revision that does as advertised, or something. 2 generations isn't an accident, it is an oversight.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/18 14:18:28
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It will show up 16x 16x in slot 2 and slot 4. But, it is all off the PLX plus those two alots put the carda very close together, very. If you water cool them you arw better off but K will tell you two fan cooled...say...780ti almost literally touch making the top card run much hotter, not a little, much. As in the top car qill want to thrpttlw down due to heat while the bottom one runs full song. It is really f'd up to me especially when they claim 16x 16 x with slot 1 and 3 like written in the manual..if you call it a manual. It took three weeks for us to be told it is a typo...really?! I'm not that dumb, they tested it and likely tried to fix it but cannot, so all who buys is misled. Needless to say mine went back to Amazon for a full refund and I got an Asus Z97 and it is flawless. As my last Asus was. Its your choice and money...$380 of your money!
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/18 14:29:09
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rchapman45 It will show up 16x 16x in slot 2 and slot 4. But, it is all off the PLX plus those two alots put the carda very close together, very. If you water cool them you arw better off but K will tell you two fan cooled...say...780ti almost literally touch making the top card run much hotter, not a little, much. As in the top car qill want to thrpttlw down due to heat while the bottom one runs full song. It is really f'd up to me especially when they claim 16x 16 x with slot 1 and 3 like written in the manual..if you call it a manual. It took three weeks for us to be told it is a typo...really?! I'm not that dumb, they tested it and likely tried to fix it but cannot, so all who buys is misled. Needless to say mine went back to Amazon for a full refund and I got an Asus Z97 and it is flawless. As my last Asus was. Its your choice and money...$380 of your money!
Thanks for the info , don't want my cards that close together ...
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/18 14:57:45
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Me either. I really like EVGA products. I only use their video cards and have a 1300w Supernova psu that runs great. I have to say I am really disappointed with the motherboard deal. It is a beautiful board...but.....
I'm sure they dislike negative posts etc. from us that bought it and were very disappointed and returned them but I feel if you are gonna market a board with those specs etc. especially at a price of $380 you need to be certain it is what is marketed and performs up to par with the specs etc. Hell, you can buy a Asus workstation board that will run 16x/16x/16x/16x for a little more $...and not much more.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/18 15:18:11
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lol i just ordered the SuperNOVA 1300 G2 like a minute ago for my next build . I've always used ROG boards (no problems ever) but thought about going EVGA this time .
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/18 16:10:31
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I will say the 1300w is a nice piece. No issues at all. The board however, a waste, keep your money and buy a Z97 ROG Formula or any other Asus Z97 board.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/19 08:19:25
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You guys are drama queens. The board is a waste because it runs at x8 at the exact same performance level of x16? "I want to run the cards in certain slots for cooling reasons. When I do, one card runs at x8 instead of x16, but performs exactly the same at x8 as it would at x16. I am upset anyways just for the sake of being upset. Because I have a grudge and am not a sensible person." No one is stopping you from using your desired slots and no performance is lost by doing it. Use the slot you want.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/19 09:25:46
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That is why I stopped payingbattention to you replies way back in this thread. No one that spent $380+ on this board wants to read your fanboy replies, almost like you are EVGA's pr guy or something. Let the people that are havingbissues with it post and reply etc. without you chiming in every now and then telling us we are drama queens, unsensible or have a grudge, which neither of us have or are. I think I speak for all or most that are disappointed cause it puts some in a situation of cooling issues and YES, others wanted this board due to the specs it claimed to have and produce, yet it didn't. Yet, it is not just the slot reporting for others and my self that was the deciding factor. It was sound that would stop and or start crackling or buzzing horribly and required a rwboot or even a uninstall/reinstall to fix. Not to mention others things people found that was irritating for a $380+ board. So really if you are thinking everyone is pisses over the slot thing you may need to go back and read posts and threads here AND on others forums and sites. In rhe end I don't give a damn what you alor any other tech etc. thinks or says, it was my $ and I wasn't happy, BUT,I am very happy qith the replacement. Zero issues from first boot to last. *Not to mention it took almost three weeks for them to tell everyone wondering it was a typo in the manual. That actually pissed a few off cause everyone knows that is a "we know it is not right and cannot do anything about it " deal. Anyone not thinking that is naive.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/08/19 09:51:31
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I am not a fanboy. My last two boards were MSI and I have not owned an EVGA board since the X58 (which I had complaints about). False advertising has close ties with damages/negative effects. The reason for this is so that people won't claim false advertising against grammar, print color, print quality, typos, scale, etc. In other words, to keep people from complaining just for the sake of complaining. The simple fact of the matter is that this issue has no negative effects and is therefore not a "problem". I would like to see someone try this in a court as "false advertising"; claiming damages would be difficult. You are free to not purchase the board. You are free to try to return or sell the board if you already purchased it. I don't care what you do in that regard. But please quit complaining about this non-issue and please quit trying to convince other people that it is a problem when it clearly is not a problem and clearly creates no negative effects. Your issues with sound and issues with previous boards have nothing to do with this topic and your grudges are clealry showing every time you post here over and over again. It is senseless. (Maybe you should create a new hate topic?) Isn't there something else you could do instead? EVGA has already confirmed the issue and has already responded. What more do you want? This issue is not a problem because it creates no negative effects and does not limit people's configuration choices.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/11/28 17:10:30
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Hey Everyone. I finally found this issue with the Z97 too late. The problem still exists with the "misprint". I built a computer around this board meaning I NEEDED a full tower case. I got everything together and it was all working. I saw the x8 x16 and called EVGA and was told slot 1 shouldn't drop to 8 unless 2 is used. EVGA asked me to move the cards to 2 and 4 to see what it reads. I moved the cards and now the fan was rubbing the bottom card so I had to move them back to 1 and 4 and gave up. When I moved it back to 1 the slot was dead, no power, no nothing so EVGA said PCI-E slot died and will have to RMA it. I talked to the local electronic store I bought it from and they said they would replace the board for me so I go the new one and new paste and installed the board. I start the computer and it shut right back off. Call EVGA and the tell me to check a few things and even ask me to pull everything out and but on a wood table and power it up and the same thing happens. Now the new (2nd) board has a grounding issue. Then I called EVGA back and they do a RMA AGAIN but this time they rushed one out to me and I install it. The computer turns on but PCI-E 1 slot is AGAIN not working. I call EVGA up and they have me check a few things and check both cards and noting works in slot 1 but both cards work in slot 4. I try 2 and 4 and only slot 4 works again. I call EVGA up again and after the person talks to a manager they ask me if I can RMA the CPU cause it could be that. Well the store is 2 miles from me so I go return the CPU and get new paste AGAIN, install it and fire it up. Same issue, PCI-E slot 1 and 2 are dead. I am taking my computer down to the local store so they can see the issues I am having and they are going to try to fix as they have a few of the boards in stock. I bought everything in Nov on the 17th which is a long way from July when this thread started and is on EVGAs own site and the techs still don't know about this when you call them? For $380.00 bucks they should ALL have a note stating something this bad on there higher end motherboards. I am going to be going onto my 4rth motherboard because that's what I built this system around. If the tech would have told me about the misprint / no real performance lose the first time I would have been fine to leave it alone and take the lose of the 16 in slot 1 when 4 is used. I have done thermal paste 5 times to try to get this working and I still have to do it once more if there is no issue with the board again. Ron
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/11/28 17:46:09
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Man... That sux 77. I hope you can get this worked out. I'm still running slots 1 & 4 on this board and it's fine. Board is solid. Good Luck.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/11/28 18:48:27
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I took mine out and returned it to Amazon for a full refund. They can say what they want and others that are supporters or whatever can come in posting there is no issue blah blah but if it was printed then it WAS supposed to work tht way. I do not believe in the misprint junk. I to built a new machine around this board and after this issue and memory errors I sent it back. The board I bought in place has been flawless.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/11/28 18:54:13
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well that's not good to hear either. I have corsair 32 gigs at 2400 MHZ I got a smoking deal on so bought it and set to XMP and adjusted to 1.65 volts and all was good. this 3rd board I have will BSOD after about 2 mins of restarting and just keeps restarting and doing the same thing over and over unless I take it back to stock. The first board was fine though, so I figured it was just having the bad board for the 3rd time, now I don't even know what I want to do. If I went with an Asus Maximus VII Formula would I have to redo the whole computer. ( OS and everything? ) Ron
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/11/30 09:21:06
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rchapman45 I took mine out and returned it to Amazon for a full refund. They can say what they want and others that are supporters or whatever can come in posting there is no issue blah blah but if it was printed then it WAS supposed to work tht way. I do not believe in the misprint junk. I to built a new machine around this board and after this issue and memory errors I sent it back. The board I bought in place has been flawless.
What board did you get to replace it with?
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/04 22:43:00
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Well this sucks just stumbled upon this thread after ordering the z97 classified. I'm really sad because I really wanted this board to work as advertised. Now I just canceled it but the site said it was in packaging so hope it doesn't come. I guess my two 780ti classifieds will remain in my current motherboard until something comes from evga that does the 1 and 4 slot for me at 16x I guess I should of looked here for issues. Wish it wasn't true it popped my happy bubble :(
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/04 22:50:27
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joe the rooster Well this sucks just stumbled upon this thread after ordering the z97 classified. I'm really sad because I really wanted this board to work as advertised. Now I just canceled it but the site said it was in packaging so hope it doesn't come. I guess my two 780ti classifieds will remain in my current motherboard until something comes from evga that does the 1 and 4 slot for me at 16x I guess I should of looked here for issues. Wish it wasn't true it popped my happy bubble :(
You would need to move to the enthusiast boards to get that. X8 x8 configurations do not perform better than x16 x16, which has been shown many times. If you current board is performing well, just stick with it and save the money to make a bigger move later.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/04 22:59:15
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Enthusiast? Like which one?
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/04 23:15:38
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X79 and so on. Z97 and non-enthusiast platforms only have 16 PCIe lanes total. These board can run 4x8 3x8 and 2 x16 due to a plx chip that shares the lanes. They do gain a minute amount of latency because of having to redirect the information.
The X79 and X99 chips that have 40 lanes on their high end processors, will allow for all of the lanes to run at the above specs.
Using a plx chip is expensive, which causes these board to be expensive.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/05 06:32:46
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I am so confused I recieved this Reply to my pci16x question on 11/26/14 from Evga. So does it or doesn't it work? I just cancelled my order and bought one from another mfg that does the PCI lanes that I needed
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/05 07:35:39
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Jesus Christ EVGA!!! Get your crap together!!! Joe... The board will work 16x 16x in slots 2 & 4... That's it!!! You will get 16x 8x in any other config. The manual is wrong and has been admitted by EVGA... If you have double slot cards (which I'll assume you do) then to achieve 16x 16x you HAVE to use slots 2 & 4, and your cards will be sandwiched. The performance difference is negligible b/w 16x 16x and 16x 8x on this board due to the plx chip. It's no big deal, and a great board, but if sandwiching the cards to achieve 16x 16x bothers you, or running the cards 16x 8x, then you may want to look for other options. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. We forum folk know the real deal! To EVGA... Please stop with the mis-representations. The manual is wrong and y'all know it!! STOP!!!! If you guys can't answer appropriate questions with accurate answers, please re-direct the questions to this thread so we forum users can give folks accurate information!!! FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/05 13:35:36
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zildjian75 Jesus Christ EVGA!!! Get your crap together!!! To EVGA... Please stop with the mis-representations. The manual is wrong and y'all know it!! STOP!!!! If you guys can't answer appropriate questions with accurate answers, please re-direct the questions to this thread so we forum users can give folks accurate information!!! FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/09 22:52:11
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I called EVGA after all my problems and told them the same **** and STILL, nobody I have talked to knows anything about this misprint but it IS a misprint. slot 1 and 4 will get you 16 and 8. ( I wanted 2 slots for the air cooling ) slot 2 and 4 will get you 16 and 16. ( my top card fan rubs the bottom cards back plate ) The only reason I still kept this board is because its an XL-ATX size and everything was built around this board. If I went with a regular sized board I would have gotten a smaller case. Do I think its ****ty that the MoBo don't run as advertised, GODAMN right I do, I think is BS. EVGA needs to decide on a way to compensate people who bought this board trying to go 16 16 with 2 slot spacing that is a misprint, instead of saying it is and all well. They also need to inform there tech line because they are STILL giving out the wrong information. EVGA responds to everything that is good with there products but seems like they don't want to touch this 16 16 issue for 1 and 4. On a side note, tech support was great to deal with if there was a problem. My first motherboard was working the way it is now instead I had to have 3 boards and countless techs that didn't know about the slot 1 and 4 issue and still up until last week are telling people wrong. Its to much money to spend on a board that don't work as advertised and still out on the market 6+ months later with a misprint and so what deal with it? Ron
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2014/12/10 10:40:31
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I agree with you 100% 77RRad. Evga knows about the issue. I have a feeling that they are just acting like they don't, b/c if they admit the issue, it probably leaves them open for litigation in some way, shape or form. So they are just playing dumb. It's unfortunate that they don't step up to the plate, but it is what it is. The only thing you can really do is take your business elsewhere, which I just might do eventually. We'll see... One thing is fuuuuur sure. EVGA is not what they used to be... and that is unfortunate.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2015/01/12 20:56:18
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I wouldnt get too hung up on this issue guys. Nothing has really changed about this issue for a few mobo itterations based on my research. See anandtech on the PLX chip here: anandtech. com/show/6170/four-multigpu-z77-boards-from-280350-plx-pex-8747-featuring-gigabyte-asrock-ecs-and-evga if you scroll down you will see discussion about EVGA's implementation, which is intended to provide better single and dual gpu performance by having a dedicated 8x to the CPU directly and not route all traffic through the plx. From what i am hearing, the plx chip implementation is still looking like the following: images.anandtech.com/doci/6170/EVGA%20Z77%20FTW%20Chipset.jpg But no matter how you configure things on the EVGA board, you wont see much of a difference because you will still be bottlenecked by the 16 lanes going to the CPU. For EVGA Either you are putting both graphics cards through the plx chip and then bottlenecked by the 8x going from the plx to the cpu, or you split it with the dedicated 8x from one card to the cpu and the 16x from the other card being routed through the plx which will still be bottlenecked by the other 8x going to the cpu. This is probably why people on this thread havent noticed a performance difference either way. My suggestion is to keep one GPU in slot 1 so that you can spread out the cards more and not overwork the plx chip needlessly. Even with other mobo implementations that route all traffic through the PLX chip (and supposedly add 100 nanoseconds of latency, which is super small, but may add up over many many operations being performed) they are also providing some misinformation given the z-series limitation on pcie lanes, so again, I wouldnt cry over the spilt milk re evga's info. Inotherwords, there is no "true" 16/16, etc solution on the z97 platform, although perhaps you might consider the switching technology to be akin to something like intel's "hyper threading" technology on the core i7 cpus.... However, I wouldnt fault either solution so far. For AMD graphics cards that want to crossfire, it may be that a pure plx chip solution will help with x16 b/c from what i have read the PLX chip can facilitate with communication between the pcie lanes that do not involve data routing to the cpu. For NVIDEA cards that have SLI fingers, this point becomes a bit moot, which may be part of the reason EVGA chose the dedicated CPU lane implementation and only route 8 lanes to the PLX. However, it seems to me that one of the main benefits of EVGA's implementation (and possibly of other plx methods too) is that you may be able to add more pcie cards and take advantage of some "hyperthreading"-like performance. For example, having two cards in SLI and also having a pcie SSD (as well as the more obvious 3/4 way SLI). So even if your not putting in 3/4 graphics cards, so long as your adding a bunch of pcie cards, the plx should help. In fact, with the EVGA implementation, when you are mixing gpu and non gpu pcie cards, you are still guarunteed solid graphics card performance with at least one graphics card talking directly to the cpu (and this will be more common now that the pcie bus is being used for SSD's too). So for as far as my humble opinion goes, no matter how you slice it, once you start putting in multiple pcie cards into your rig (even if your not doing 3/4 way SLI) you can bet that the PLX chip will be helping you get the absolute most out of your 16 pcie lanes to the CPU. AND the EVGA implementation ensures you minimize any gpu latency when you only have one card in the rig (or when you are mixing various pcie cards). So while the evga manual may suck, don't hate on the evga board. The plx will help ensure this board lasts (a bit) longer than other non plx boards given the increased use of the pcie bus for newer computer components.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2015/01/13 07:42:17
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AKToronto I wouldnt get too hung up on this issue guys. Nothing has really changed about this issue for a few mobo itterations based on my research. See anandtech on the PLX chip here: anandtech. com/show/6170/four-multigpu-z77-boards-from-280350-plx-pex-8747-featuring-gigabyte-asrock-ecs-and-evga if you scroll down you will see discussion about EVGA's implementation, which is intended to provide better single and dual gpu performance by having a dedicated 8x to the CPU directly and not route all traffic through the plx. From what i am hearing, the plx chip implementation is still looking like the following: anandtech.com/doci/6170/EVGA%20Z77%20FTW%20Chipset.jpg But no matter how you configure things on the EVGA board, you wont see much of a difference because you will still be bottlenecked by the 16 lanes going to the CPU. For EVGA Either you are putting both graphics cards through the plx chip and then bottlenecked by the 8x going from the plx to the cpu, or you split it with the dedicated 8x from one card to the cpu and the 16x from the other card being routed through the plx which will still be bottlenecked by the other 8x going to the cpu. This is probably why people on this thread havent noticed a performance difference either way. My suggestion is to keep one GPU in slot 1 so that you can spread out the cards more and not overwork the plx chip needlessly. Even with other mobo implementations that route all traffic through the PLX chip (and supposedly add 100 nanoseconds of latency, which is super small, but may add up over many many operations being performed) they are also providing some misinformation given the z-series limitation on pcie lanes, so again, I wouldnt cry over the spilt milk re evga's info. Inotherwords, there is no "true" 16/16, etc solution on the z97 platform, although perhaps you might consider the switching technology to be akin to something like intel's "hyper threading" technology on the core i7 cpus.... However, I wouldnt fault either solution so far. For AMD graphics cards that want to crossfire, it may be that a pure plx chip solution will help with x16 b/c from what i have read the PLX chip can facilitate with communication between the pcie lanes that do not involve data routing to the cpu. For NVIDEA cards that have SLI fingers, this point becomes a bit moot, which may be part of the reason EVGA chose the dedicated CPU lane implementation and only route 8 lanes to the PLX. However, it seems to me that one of the main benefits of EVGA's implementation (and possibly of other plx methods too) is that you may be able to add more pcie cards and take advantage of some "hyperthreading"-like performance. For example, having two cards in SLI and also having a pcie SSD (as well as the more obvious 3/4 way SLI). So even if your not putting in 3/4 graphics cards, so long as your adding a bunch of pcie cards, the plx should help. In fact, with the EVGA implementation, when you are mixing gpu and non gpu pcie cards, you are still guarunteed solid graphics card performance with at least one graphics card talking directly to the cpu (and this will be more common now that the pcie bus is being used for SSD's too). So for as far as my humble opinion goes, no matter how you slice it, once you start putting in multiple pcie cards into your rig (even if your not doing 3/4 way SLI) you can bet that the PLX chip will be helping you get the absolute most out of your 16 pcie lanes to the CPU. AND the EVGA implementation ensures you minimize any gpu latency when you only have one card in the rig (or when you are mixing various pcie cards). So while the evga manual may suck, don't hate on the evga board. The plx will help ensure this board lasts (a bit) longer than other non plx boards given the increased use of the pcie bus for newer computer components.
I'll agree with all of that. Well said. I love the Z97 Classy itself. It's a solid board. Running 2 x 980 SC's in slots 1 & 4 for the extra cooling. Plenty of performance in gaming, but I have waaaaaaay overkill in the graphics department for 1080 gaming. It's just too bad that folks have been misled by the manual. EVGA needs the get the customer service up to speed on this board so they stop giving folks the wrong information.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2015/02/01 13:45:01
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Thanks for this thread. Was trying to decide between the z97 classy and the Gigabtye GA-Z97X-Gaming G1 Black Edition WIFI-BK and spacing is a major deciding factor with most everything else being equal and the Gigabyte one is in effect slots 1 and 4 @x16 so I think it'll win out. Really wanted to get the Classy though. Unless I decide to go 3 way sli and then it's kinda a moot point.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2015/02/01 16:59:39
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Why would you pass up a Classy? That Gigabyte board will still be bottle necked by the CPU which has a max of 16PCIe lanes. Unless I'm misunderstanding everything which is possible.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x
2015/02/01 17:29:44
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I believe that is what the PLX chip is for, to allow the additional x16. Classy has the chip too but apparently EVGA placed the two that would run x16 with one slot in between. Not that there is much difference for my needs between 2 x16's and 2x8 or whatever. Just kind of a factor in between deciding between the two mobo's.
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