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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 01:11:31
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Actually nevermind you got at least 450-460 watt board power draw i can't barely get it over 400
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 01:35:56
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that sounds like the issue i have... The xc3 bios is working with the hybrid?
Or do you have the xc3 hybrid bios?
Thank you
XC3 BIOS, non-hybrid version from TechPowerUp.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 07:20:03
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Welcome to the thread guys! If you feel inclined it would be great if you could add your data to the below spread sheet. We are working to compile performance data using Port Royal performance across FTW3 cards. https://docs.google.com/s...PCqM/edit?usp=drivesdk
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 07:24:00
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Been lurking here quite a bit. Got my FTW3 Hybrid up and running. Did a run on the XOC bios with +100 core and +800 mem and +50 voltage, only got about 13,650 port royal score. I was hitting power limits in GPU-Z under the PerfCap Reason section. Was seeing nice even power draw between all 3 x 8 pin connectors though. Max board use on GPU-Z was about 460-465W. (I did see a fluke 505W when running MSI kombuster when i tabbed out of the program, but nothing sustained this high). However, the card was throttling the core clock pretty hard, frequently under 2000 mhz during the run despite ~55C. Decided to take the redpill and try XC3 bios...
First run on +85 core and +900 mem was 14,301. First try! No other tweaking... Core clocks were avg 2051, and max set was 2085. I also ran another benchmark on MSI Kombuster, where I previously had a score of 5870, I now scored 6126, and a change of 5 more FPS.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54779321?
Needless to say, it's pretty sad the XOC BIOS throttles so heavily, it seems extremely conservative as my temps were fine. I don't really want to run the jury-rigged XC3 BIOS all the time, and I don't want to update firmware when I open precision X1 because I'll probably go back to the stock OC BIOS soon anyways. Hopefully EVGA figures out this mess and releases a final version of the OC/XOC bios that will really be able to leverage the horsepower this card can put down.
What was your PR score 100% stock? My mine using the stock bios with all stock settings (power target was maxed at 107%) was 13745. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/634221Your OC seems respectable but the PR score seems low. Do you have the link for that run by chance?
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 10:51:36
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Been lurking here quite a bit. Got my FTW3 Hybrid up and running. Did a run on the XOC bios with +100 core and +800 mem and +50 voltage, only got about 13,650 port royal score. I was hitting power limits in GPU-Z under the PerfCap Reason section. Was seeing nice even power draw between all 3 x 8 pin connectors though. Max board use on GPU-Z was about 460-465W. (I did see a fluke 505W when running MSI kombuster when i tabbed out of the program, but nothing sustained this high). However, the card was throttling the core clock pretty hard, frequently under 2000 mhz during the run despite ~55C. Decided to take the redpill and try XC3 bios...
First run on +85 core and +900 mem was 14,301. First try! No other tweaking... Core clocks were avg 2051, and max set was 2085. I also ran another benchmark on MSI Kombuster, where I previously had a score of 5870, I now scored 6126, and a change of 5 more FPS.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54779321?
Needless to say, it's pretty sad the XOC BIOS throttles so heavily, it seems extremely conservative as my temps were fine. I don't really want to run the jury-rigged XC3 BIOS all the time, and I don't want to update firmware when I open precision X1 because I'll probably go back to the stock OC BIOS soon anyways. Hopefully EVGA figures out this mess and releases a final version of the OC/XOC bios that will really be able to leverage the horsepower this card can put down.
What was your PR score 100% stock? My mine using the stock bios with all stock settings (power target was maxed at 107%) was 13745.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/634221
Your OC seems respectable but the PR score seems low. Do you have the link for that run by chance?
ok this one is at stock settings with power slider 107% https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54807311? This one was my highest OC with +155 core / +1100 mem https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54808343?https://ibb.co/jyGkKZ2 is you can see my board draw is barely over 400 watt... seems super off to me i should get way higher results
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 10:58:56
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If it would be bad silicone i wouldn't be able to do 155 on core...
I'm really limited hard by wattage will never go above 400
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 10:59:00
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Have you tried moving your fans to a motherboard header? Could give you extra power to see if you gain anything? Would def give you extra data to support a problem. I plan to try this test myself next week. The offset really doesn't tell you much about chip quality. What really matters is average clock at a given voltage.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 11:01:47
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Hmm yeah, have you tried moving your fans to a motherboard header? Could give you extra power to see if you gain anything? Would def give you extra data to support a problem. I plan to try this test myself next week.
The offset really doesn't tell you much about chip quality. It is all about average clock at a given voltage.
not yet but will try don't think fans can pull that much...but still why do I can get 2130 mhz with +140 core in cold war...but not in port royal...
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 11:03:59
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That has to do with what parts of the chip are being used I imagine. I will not pretend to be an expert but I do see different clocks at different parts of different tests and in different games. Maybe we could compare across multiple applications? Problem there is we then impose other system differences.
Furmark could be a good one.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 11:06:04
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That has to do with what parts of the chip are being used I imagine. I will not pretend to be an expert but I do see different clocks at different parts of different tests and in different games. Maybe we could compare across multiple applications? Problem there is we then impose other system differences.
Furmark could be a good one.
right it still seems very odd to me I probably gonna contact Evga tomorrow. See what they say.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 11:12:29
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I agree, something seems off. We are about 5% between our max scores. Less if you use my game stable settings. What PR score do you get for your game stable OC settings?
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 11:19:00
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If i play call of duty +100 core / +800 mem i get 2100 mhz stable on core
If i use the same settings on port royal my core is on at 1930-1950.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 11:19:50
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 13:25:22
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I agree, something seems off. We are about 5% between our max scores. Less if you use my game stable settings. What PR score do you get for your game stable OC settings?
i just flashed xc3 on it and i got 14561 with 120 core and 1000 mem ****fffff
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 13:44:05
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:10:44
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Wow that's a huge difference. Is yours the FTW Ultra modded with the hybrid kit or is it the FTW3 hybrid from the factory. Surprising EVGA would mess up that bad with the bios on a factory card. lemuth80
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:15:17
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Wow that's a huge difference. Is yours the FTW Ultra modded with the hybrid kit or is it the FTW3 hybrid from the factory. Surprising EVGA would mess up that bad with the bios on a factory card.
lemuth80
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xc3 bios
it's not the bios it's the card getting power throttling big time
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:16:19
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Is yours the FTW Ultra modded with the hybrid kit or is it the FTW3 hybrid from the factory?
But the XC3 bios seems to fix the throttling issue.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:27:15
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Is yours the FTW Ultra modded with the hybrid kit or is it the FTW3 hybrid from the factory?
But the XC3 bios seems to fix the throttling issue.
I would be careful to say that the xc3 BIOS fixes the throttling. Instead, I don't think it's monitoring the power levels correctly and so is allowing the card to just pull whatever it wants.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:28:28
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Yeah it's bypassing the issue
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:33:06
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Yeah it's bypassing the issue
What I want to know is, is the power draw being pushed to unsafe levels? If no, then XC3 is the bios to use.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:37:08
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 15:52:46
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Wow that's a huge difference. Is yours the FTW Ultra modded with the hybrid kit or is it the FTW3 hybrid from the factory. Surprising EVGA would mess up that bad with the bios on a factory card.
lemuth80
Stock OC bios
xc3 bios
it's not the bios it's the card getting power throttling big time
Is yours the FTW Ultra modded with the separate hybrid kit or is it the FTW3 hybrid card from the factory?
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 17:09:11
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Back to the stock OC Bios, only change was 100% fans and moved the power limit to 107%... 13,527 score without changing clocks. Ambient temp 18C, max GPU temp 51C, average clock speeds around 1920-1930. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54823294? Max board power 450 watts. However now on this BIOS, I am seeing a discrepancy on the #3 8-pin drawing 20w more than 1 and 2. Didn't have that issue on XOC BIOS, but XOC throttled REALLY hard. XC3 far and above the fastest for these cards, but I will not daily this BIOS because there isn't enough evidence out there that it is safe to do so long term. Not a risk I want to take on $1800 for a few more FPS in games. EDIT: Just tried +1000 mem and +140 core, full voltage slider. Interestingly enough, it pulled only 425-430w board power vs 450w on stock clocks. Score 14,084 without letting it cool between pulls. PCI 3x8 are now almost identically across the 3.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/13 20:04:59
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After installing 3090 Hybrid kit is this suppose to show up in Precision X1 as hybrid now or what?
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/14 09:54:59
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Ok I have a few concerns about my 3090 ftw3 RMA card. Compared to my original card that died, temps are about 10c warmer and PR scores are lower in general. Card idles around 2c above room temperature but while playing the division 2 it's steady at 65c no matter how fast the fans are. I've seen it hit 70c once during the game. This is with a room temp of 25c. Even with fans at 100% and case door off it still 60c+. What do you guys think? Think I should reach out to evga? Or is this within normal temps for hybrids? This is my first hybrid card ever.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/14 10:09:54
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Ok I have a few concerns about my 3090 ftw3 RMA card. Compared to my original card that died, temps are about 10c warmer and PR scores are lower in general. Card idles around 2c above room temperature but while playing the division 2 it's steady at 65c no matter how fast the fans are. I've seen it hit 70c once during the game. This is with a room temp of 25c. Even with fans at 100% and case door off it still 60c+. What do you guys think? Think I should reach out to evga? Or is this within normal temps for hybrids? This is my first hybrid card ever.
I have had 2 Hybrid cards. The first one was the essentially a 1080ti and it ran quite a bit cooler then my 3090Hybrid. This new Hybrid was running at about 55-59C with a pull only config with stocks fans on Auto. I just installed 2 ML120 corsair fan to the front of the rad in push and left the EVGA fans in the back on pull. My temps dropped to 50C on full speed and 52-53C on 55% fan speed. As promised I took a shot of my ICX sensors playing Tomb Raider. This was with the fans in a Pull only config, on auto. Please see below link. https://ibb.co/BqsfsVG During lunch today I will give it another test running fans at 55% with Push/Pull and see how it does and report back with a picture.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/14 10:13:06
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Looks like the only difference is on the gpu die itself. All of the other temps are pretty close to each other. 1-2c difference
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/14 10:15:12
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Looks like the only difference is s on the gpu die itself. All of the other temps are pretty close to each other. 1-2c difference
I had a thought, is your voltage on the chip higher then the previous one? If you run Port Royal what is the highest voltage on the GPU? I can run the same check on mine. My current 24/7 run condition is +100core, +200mem.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results
2020/12/14 10:16:18
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Ok I have a few concerns about my 3090 ftw3 RMA card. Compared to my original card that died, temps are about 10c warmer and PR scores are lower in general. Card idles around 2c above room temperature but while playing the division 2 it's steady at 65c no matter how fast the fans are. I've seen it hit 70c once during the game. This is with a room temp of 25c. Even with fans at 100% and case door off it still 60c+. What do you guys think? Think I should reach out to evga? Or is this within normal temps for hybrids? This is my first hybrid card ever.
I consider 22c a warm room. Have reasonable expectations with this powerful card. edit: 25c
post edited by wwxww - 2020/12/14 10:53:38
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