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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/17 12:39:30 (permalink)
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So you're doing really thin pads between the plate & components? Results should be interesting indeed.

All these complaints about hot Temps specifically on the 5800x are making me want to steer clear of it, so for now I'll be waiting on the 5900-5950x to grace us with their presence at MSRP ($549/$799)



My brother just got a 5800X. He paired it with a Noctua NH-U9S chromax.black. I know that's not the most powerful air-cooler out there, but I can tell you he has nice airflow in his case and it was running quite warm. He had it stock clocks and with or without PBO running, it was hitting 90°C in several games. He gave it a .1V underclock in BIOS and now he's getting mid-70's, but clocks are hitting around ~4.5GHz. For what he uses it for, it's a fantastic upgrade over his prior CPU and it's plenty fast for what he does, so there's no reason for him to complain about the under-volt/clock. I think if you water-cool it, it'll be fine, but I've seen a lot of posts elsewhere about silicon lottery with those and while some people can overclock to 5GHz, it is extremely rare and most people can only do it temporarily as it is unstable. I advised my brother to return the NH-U9S if he can and get the NH-U12S black or even the 14 or 15 depending on what he has room for, but he might just save up for a decent 280mm AIO.
 
Totally anecdotal information, but I thought I'd share as I just chatted with him all yesterday about ways to get the most possible performance while still maintaining decent temps with that thing. I'm an Intel guy though (just in experience, I'm not anti-AMD at all) so it was all pretty new to me.




Yep, that's exactly the type of thing I keep seeing in other people's posts about it, and it seems to only be the 5800x that's having the "runs insanely hot unless you undervolt it" or similar stories, like the motherboards are setting voltage too high or something.
 
I also really want the higher core count of the 5900x or 5950x.
 
If anyone has access to a microcenter & is willing to sell me a 5900x or 5950x, I'm willing to pay a reasonable fee for your troubles.  I already pretty much locked down that I'm getting this motherboard: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T5QFXFY/ because of it's massive amount of USB ports, included M.2 card ($60-$100 value), right angle 24-pin plug, and other things I like about it.
 
Edit: Am I crazy for seriously considering buying a 3950x for a temporary CPU? lol
 
Edit 2: now that I think about it, given 5800x's are reselling for ~$400 on EBay, might as well just get one of those as a temporary CPU, or something else that's on the cheaper end... just something to get the system up & running.  Might get a 3000-series to where I won't have BIOS issues that might be the case with a 5000-series.  I don't mind the temporary hit in gaming performance since in the long run I'll be getting a net-positive in that aspect once I have a 5900x/5950x.




What are you moving from? I have a 2018 9900x and trust me I want to upgrade ... and I can't really talk because you see the number of ways I throw money out the window, but I feel the stock is coming more into line, and you would be able to get what you want relatively soon (a month?) hopefully?
 
Slightly off topic I interviewed for a job today and I am the worst interviewer, so who knows? UGH... I wish this month was over so I knew.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/17 12:51:20 (permalink)
Yeah I'm gonna be smart & just wait I think... I have the typical "money burns a hole in my pocket" mental state still, but I'm actually doing quiet well at building up a nest-egg... I just really want to upgrade.  This 9900K gets maxed out with only 8 instances running & I need to do 10 or more, so when running 10, some of them occasionally go to not-responding... most of the time they come back, sometimes I have to restart, & restarting stuff in a Sandboxie instance is a pain in the rear sometimes.
 
I'm going to be patient & get a 5900x or 5950x... and just hope that MSI X570 board doesn't need a BIOS update just to work with those processors :-D Otherwise I'll have to order a 3000-series CPU just to update the BIOS then either return or resell it... which is part of why I was considering just getting a 3900 or 3950 as a temporary chip, to alleviate that as being a possible issue, but that's a lot of money to throw away.
 
My current 9900K/Z390 setup should resell somewhere in the $550 range on EBay, I think, so the overall cost of this upgrade is basically the price of the CPU, since I'll be reusing my RAM (it's pretty much perfect for an AMD setup, CL16 3600MHz).

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/17 13:00:43 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm gonna be smart & just wait I think... I have the typical "money burns a hole in my pocket" mental state still, but I'm actually doing quiet well at building up a nest-egg... I just really want to upgrade.  This 9900K gets maxed out with only 8 instances running & I need to do 10 or more, so when running 10, some of them occasionally go to not-responding... most of the time they come back, sometimes I have to restart, & restarting stuff in a Sandboxie instance is a pain in the rear sometimes.
 
I'm going to be patient & get a 5900x or 5950x... and just hope that MSI X570 board doesn't need a BIOS update just to work with those processors :-D Otherwise I'll have to order a 3000-series CPU just to update the BIOS then either return or resell it... which is part of why I was considering just getting a 3900 or 3950 as a temporary chip, to alleviate that as being a possible issue, but that's a lot of money to throw away.
 
My current 9900K/Z390 setup should resell somewhere in the $550 range on EBay, I think, so the overall cost of this upgrade is basically the price of the CPU, since I'll be reusing my RAM (it's pretty much perfect for an AMD setup, CL16 3600MHz).

I think you'll be very happy with a 5950x. Hope you get one!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 00:31:49 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm gonna be smart & just wait I think... I have the typical "money burns a hole in my pocket" mental state still, but I'm actually doing quiet well at building up a nest-egg... I just really want to upgrade.  This 9900K gets maxed out with only 8 instances running & I need to do 10 or more, so when running 10, some of them occasionally go to not-responding... most of the time they come back, sometimes I have to restart, & restarting stuff in a Sandboxie instance is a pain in the rear sometimes.
 
I'm going to be patient & get a 5900x or 5950x... and just hope that MSI X570 board doesn't need a BIOS update just to work with those processors :-D Otherwise I'll have to order a 3000-series CPU just to update the BIOS then either return or resell it... which is part of why I was considering just getting a 3900 or 3950 as a temporary chip, to alleviate that as being a possible issue, but that's a lot of money to throw away.
 
My current 9900K/Z390 setup should resell somewhere in the $550 range on EBay, I think, so the overall cost of this upgrade is basically the price of the CPU, since I'll be reusing my RAM (it's pretty much perfect for an AMD setup, CL16 3600MHz).

I think you'll be very happy with a 5950x. Hope you get one!

wow you 2 will laugh at me. my 2080ti kpe & 4790k is on my computer i just upgraded just got this z490 tiachi and 10900kf had it around a month now.. Think the 4790k was a bottle neck?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 00:52:00 (permalink)
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 02:21:39 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm gonna be smart & just wait I think... I have the typical "money burns a hole in my pocket" mental state still, but I'm actually doing quiet well at building up a nest-egg... I just really want to upgrade.  This 9900K gets maxed out with only 8 instances running & I need to do 10 or more, so when running 10, some of them occasionally go to not-responding... most of the time they come back, sometimes I have to restart, & restarting stuff in a Sandboxie instance is a pain in the rear sometimes.

I'm going to be patient & get a 5900x or 5950x... and just hope that MSI X570 board doesn't need a BIOS update just to work with those processors :-D Otherwise I'll have to order a 3000-series CPU just to update the BIOS then either return or resell it... which is part of why I was considering just getting a 3900 or 3950 as a temporary chip, to alleviate that as being a possible issue, but that's a lot of money to throw away.

My current 9900K/Z390 setup should resell somewhere in the $550 range on EBay, I think, so the overall cost of this upgrade is basically the price of the CPU, since I'll be reusing my RAM (it's pretty much perfect for an AMD setup, CL16 3600MHz).

I think you'll be very happy with a 5950x. Hope you get one!

wow you 2 will laugh at me. my 2080ti kpe & 4790k is on my computer i just upgraded just got this z490 tiachi and 10900kf had it around a month now.. Think the 4790k was a bottle neck?




Having went from a 3930K to the 9900K about 2 years ago now (at the time with a 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid) I can tell you there's a 99% likelihood you'd see very very noticeable increases in performance if you tested the card with the 4790K & then the 10900K lol
 
In games that are more CPU-reliant I saw in some cases literally double the frame rate when I went from the 3930K to the 9900K.  Even in more GPU-intensive titles it was still a large uplift... granted, 3930K to 9900K is going from DDR3 to DDR4, which was a part of the big boost, but the difference in raw throughput between those generations & the newer ones is really crazy-good.
 
I'm just so looking forward to getting a strong enough CPU that I no longer have to deal with "not responding" showing up in some instances because of my CPU being pegged at 100% at times. lol

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/03/18 08:55:11 (permalink)
i opted for a mp5 works coolerworks great
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 11:31:06 (permalink)
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@Dabadger84, what do you think this thermal pad?  https://www.amazon.com/Iceberg-Thermal-DRIFTIce-120mm-0-5mm/dp/B08KYGP937?th=1
 


Yes or no question. Will these pads work for all the memory on the 3090? If not can someone URL me one from amazon? Please
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 11:32:44 (permalink)
Don't have experience with those pads.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 11:38:35 (permalink)
Any PADS that I can replace this with that is the best? Price is not an issue, I do not want my card running 110C while gaming... Please someone if anyone has tested it
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 12:23:13 (permalink)
How hot is your ambient? your card runs at a 100c? o.O
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 12:33:22 (permalink)
 
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How hot is your ambient? your card runs at a 100c? o.O




https://forums.evga.com/R...VGA-part-m3241135.aspx


Just need a thermal pad that fits all around and has good M/wk... 
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 14:25:43 (permalink)
WOW there are 15 kingpin 3090's listed on ebay right now 4 or 5 are at 3200 with bids Man that pisses me off!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 14:45:38 (permalink)
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WOW there are 15 kingpin 3090's listed on ebay right now 4 or 5 are at 3200 with bids Man that pisses me off!


 
Yeah I agree. Are you waiting on one too?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 14:52:21 (permalink)
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WOW there are 15 kingpin 3090's listed on ebay right now 4 or 5 are at 3200 with bids Man that pisses me off!


 
Yeah I agree. Are you waiting on one too?


I got one from the q trying for a second one for some sli im in line again at 100+ took me about 2 months for the first one i got in line at the beginning of the second time they opened auto notify. i'm also on the q for just about every other evga card also but it looks like that will me may or later before i see any thing from them... in the process of making a nice cnc copper back plate for the kingpin hopefully it turns out nice and doesn't cost to much i can hook some of you guys up with some
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 14:55:22 (permalink)
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WOW there are 15 kingpin 3090's listed on ebay right now 4 or 5 are at 3200 with bids Man that pisses me off!


 
Yeah I agree. Are you waiting on one too?


I got one from the q trying for a second one for some sli im in line again at 100+ took me about 2 months for the first one i got in line at the beginning of the second time they opened auto notify. i'm also on the q for just about every other evga card also but it looks like that will me may or later before i see any thing from them... in the process of making a nice cnc copper back plate for the kingpin hopefully it turns out nice and doesn't cost to much i can hook some of you guys up with some



I tried that. It wouldn't let me buy the second card.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 15:12:32 (permalink)

Thermal pads came 
Waiting on one last delivery and it supposed to come today (a day early!)
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 15:23:12 (permalink)
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WOW there are 15 kingpin 3090's listed on ebay right now 4 or 5 are at 3200 with bids Man that pisses me off!




Ahaha, I just noticed that too. I just added pads and heatsinks and immediately checked Ebay just in case i damaged something and warranty wouldnt replace.
 

 
 
Got pretty lucky with the heatsink fitment. My m2.expansion card fit like a glove
 

 
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 15:25:22 (permalink)
I'm hoping by the time i get my second chance they open it up for round two fingers crossed if not i will try sli with different card if i can even get one of them.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 15:28:58 (permalink)
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I'm hoping by the time i get my second chance they open it up for round two fingers crossed if not i will try sli with different card if i can even get one of them.



That's what I did, I had a notify from the first round, and a notify from the second round, but when I went to check out it said no.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 16:03:50 (permalink)
Did the heatsink/pad combo on the backplate lower memory temps?  I do not want to take my card apart....
 
Do you mind linking to those heatsinks?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 16:44:47 (permalink)
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Did the heatsink/pad combo on the backplate lower memory temps?  I do not want to take my card apart....
 
Do you mind linking to those heatsinks?




He's using the same heatsinks I am from the looks of it, they're linked earlier in the thread... and yes, just doing heatsinks even with just thermal tape will still result in lower temps, because the way the card is setup by default, there are thermal pads between the backside memory, as well as the back of the GPU die, and the backplate.
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3228558 Most of the stuff I used is linked in that post, I.E. the heatsinks, pads, thermal tape etc.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 18:28:30 (permalink)

Sneak peak at progress. Holes lined up, ready to mount, spacers fit nicely. Looks... like a costume for my card, cardsplay...
 
Need to sand the other side. tiny lip from drilled holes. I'm afraid will cause gap between thermal pads. Other then that, run 2 lines and I'm leak testing while I plan out these thermal pads. The two memory blocks that aren't behind the GPU will share a line, the GPU/memory area will get it's own fresh line.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 20:05:35 (permalink)
For those who've already started- whats the guestimate total thermal pad amount mm x mm used?  Trying to figure out how much to buy
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 20:33:33 (permalink)
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For those who've already started- whats the guestimate total thermal pad amount mm x mm used?  Trying to figure out how much to buy




I can't remember. I think it's close to 2mm? I think we figured it out somewhere in here.
 

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 21:32:12 (permalink)
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For those who've already started- whats the guestimate total thermal pad amount mm x mm used?  Trying to figure out how much to buy




For the whole kit & kaboodle you won't need more than 200 x 200, if you can find that much in one pad.  I redid/destroyed a few of mine & I still haven't went through the entire 200 x 200 x 2mm thermal pad I got for the original deal.
 
EK gave me return details for sending back the other CPU block... and I went to setup a label - Both DHL & UPS want to charge me $185 to return it... I'm like "Uh, y'all need to figure this crap out, cuz I'm not paying that much to return something that YOU listed would work with my motherboard and clearly DOES NOT."  I'm not paying for it either, I used Paypal to order the stuff, so there's no way I'm getting charged for it without my consent.
EK may have "great" customer service but this whole process has been an absolute pain in the arse, don't think I'll be doing business with them again unless they make this right.
I don't understand why they can't just let me mail it to their U.S. warehouse & they handle it from there... that would cost me all of $18, which I'm fine with.  But $185, to return an item that should have never been defective, when said item is only worth $109?  Get the F outta here. lol

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/18 22:20:21 (permalink)
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For those who've already started- whats the guestimate total thermal pad amount mm x mm used?  Trying to figure out how much to buy




For the whole kit & kaboodle you won't need more than 200 x 200, if you can find that much in one pad.  I redid/destroyed a few of mine & I still haven't went through the entire 200 x 200 x 2mm thermal pad I got for the original deal.
 
EK gave me return details for sending back the other CPU block... and I went to setup a label - Both DHL & UPS want to charge me $185 to return it... I'm like "Uh, y'all need to figure this crap out, cuz I'm not paying that much to return something that YOU listed would work with my motherboard and clearly DOES NOT."  I'm not paying for it either, I used Paypal to order the stuff, so there's no way I'm getting charged for it without my consent.
EK may have "great" customer service but this whole process has been an absolute pain in the arse, don't think I'll be doing business with them again unless they make this right.
I don't understand why they can't just let me mail it to their U.S. warehouse & they handle it from there... that would cost me all of $18, which I'm fine with.  But $185, to return an item that should have never been defective, when said item is only worth $109?  Get the F outta here. lol




That’s insane. I’m sketched for my water blocks cause they’re ekwb and I’ve heard stuff about them. For $500 you could have pieced together some top notch parts!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/19 01:12:57 (permalink)
I still have 100 to go not like it costs me any thing to try
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/19 01:19:21 (permalink)
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I'm hoping by the time i get my second chance they open it up for round two fingers crossed if not i will try sli with different card if i can even get one of them.



That's what I did, I had a notify from the first round, and a notify from the second round, but when I went to check out it said no.


Well that didn't work right let's try this a second time

I still have over 100 cards to got before im up again. Not like it costs me any thing.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/03/19 05:52:26 (permalink)
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For those who've already started- whats the guestimate total thermal pad amount mm x mm used?  Trying to figure out how much to buy




For the whole kit & kaboodle you won't need more than 200 x 200, if you can find that much in one pad.  I redid/destroyed a few of mine & I still haven't went through the entire 200 x 200 x 2mm thermal pad I got for the original deal.
 
EK gave me return details for sending back the other CPU block... and I went to setup a label - Both DHL & UPS want to charge me $185 to return it... I'm like "Uh, y'all need to figure this crap out, cuz I'm not paying that much to return something that YOU listed would work with my motherboard and clearly DOES NOT."  I'm not paying for it either, I used Paypal to order the stuff, so there's no way I'm getting charged for it without my consent.
EK may have "great" customer service but this whole process has been an absolute pain in the arse, don't think I'll be doing business with them again unless they make this right.
I don't understand why they can't just let me mail it to their U.S. warehouse & they handle it from there... that would cost me all of $18, which I'm fine with.  But $185, to return an item that should have never been defective, when said item is only worth $109?  Get the F outta here. lol




That’s insane. I’m sketched for my water blocks cause they’re ekwb and I’ve heard stuff about them. For $500 you could have pieced together some top notch parts!




They suggested I check USPS, and they are much cheaper apparently, I started making the label on there but it gave me an error while trying to finish the process, so I'm going to have to go do the return at the post office, the old fashioned way, which means I have to wait in line... then make other people wait in line behind me while I bumble through doing paperwork for an international shipment, I don't ship internationally for a reason lol
 
But, from the looks of it, USPS should be very very cheap compared to UPS ($184) or DHL ($185) - I'm not paying that much to ship the stupid thing, I'd rather pay them for the block & resell it myself than do that, that's crazy.  The one I was in the process of checking out for & gave me an error, without insurance (which I would add) was $25.50, so big difference much it is. 
 
I do not understand why UPS/DHL's cheapest international shipping, for a $109 item, is MORE than the item, it makes no sense to me what so ever.
 
And again, my main complaint is the fact that I bought something that's literally listed as fully compatible with my motherboard, didn't work with it at all (I had to buy a controller, from EK, to get it to work, and it works because it works with the controller, not because it works with my board) - I shouldn't even have to pay return shipping, at all, in my opinion, but if it's only $25, I'll bite the bullet.
 
I've sent over $1k in parts combined on this loop (granted, $150 of that was on a second radiator that replaced the original one, for now, and probably $300 of it is fans at this point lol) and over $200 on shipping between the 3 orders I made, the fact that I'm having to pay for any part of the process to replace a defective item they sent me is... yeah, not a good impression.  
 
Combining that with my yikes experience with them buying that EK AIO (first one's mounting did not work properly, 2nd one was sent to me with an obvious forklift impact in the box that clearly penetrated the radiator of the unit, and they made me pay shipping for the first one's exchange, but refunded me the shipping after that), and EK is at at least 2 strikes - I don't do business with companies that get 3 strikes on my system of customer service/returns issues :-P
 
So this will likely be the last time I buy from them at least as far as directly from their EU store goes.  I wish they'd sell stuff from their U.S. Warehouses on Amazon more, shipping is free & returns are sooooooooo much easier.
 
I really don't understand why they won't let me just send the block to their U.S. warehouse & then deal with it themselves from there.

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