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2018/10/18 18:05:29 (permalink)
Hi, i would like to know if a 2x2080ti ftw3 would fit on a MSI z390 MEG GODLIKE using a 3 or 4 slots nv-link bridge.
I actually use a Cooler master cosmos 2 tower so i guess im good for the space.
 
And last question, im using a noctua nh-d15(yeah big cpu heatsink) and was worried about that fact that it could hit the back shield of the mobo could it happen?
 
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/18 18:13:57 (permalink)
    1. 4 slot.
     
    2. Should be just fine.
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/18 18:19:39 (permalink)
    Hey,
     
    Yeah you could probably even put 3 in there if you wanted :D
     
    But 2x2080Ti FTW3 are gonna generate around 800W of heat, which is huge. Add a big intel processor overclocked, the motherboard and the memory and you're looking at thousand watts of heat... That's the power of an electrical heater for a bathroom  You're probably gonna get high temperatures with aircooling with all this.
     
    With an overkill rig like this you may want to spend 500$ more to get yourself a nice watercooling on everything, keeping things cooler (thought it would not reduce the heat generated, it would more efficiently take it away from your GPUs and your CPU ;) )
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/18 18:25:18 (permalink)
    I think you could only do pci 1 and pci 4 to get 8x/8x but you will have small overclocking headroom if you your only doing air cooling. I have 2 2080 ti xc ultras on pci 1 and pci 4 myself but while gaming my overclock is not great 1800-1900 mhz is about all I can get. 
     
    I think you would need the 4 way nvlink bridge.
     
    https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MEG-Z390-GODLIKE#down-manual
     
     

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/18 18:39:16 (permalink)
    You will need to install them on slots 1 & 3. The godlike board is x16, x4, x8, x4 max single slot rating which is actually an inferior design compared to cheaper Z390 options such as the Asus WS Z390 Pro but so long as you're only using 2 slots that's fine (will run x8 /x8 with slot 1&3 sli).

    Here's buildzoid's review: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4s1gQVPGlY&t 

    Bottom-line is that the board is overpriced and poorly designed in comparison with other boards which cost much less. You're paying for looks and the name primarily.  
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/19 15:03:14 (permalink)
    So if i want a better sli experience i should choose the asus z390 ws pro instead? Would x16x16 be significatly better then x8x8? Would it give me more fps?

    And i also noticed that it has an hdmi 2.0 which is very useful for navigating throu windows in 60hz.
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/19 15:39:00 (permalink)
    For 2080 ti SLI you definitely want x16x16.
     

     
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/19 17:48:40 (permalink)
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    For 2080 ti SLI you definitely want x16x16.
     

     


    Naw. Only for one game ashes of singularity do you want 16x16. But it's not that much of a difference from 16x 8x. For that game only cause they dont use sli. Only the pci bus per multi gpu.

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/19 18:50:17 (permalink)
    The difference isn't too much and probably would get offset from newer 1151 based cpus with 5 ghz clock speeds vs the low clocks produced from x99 and x299 alike when it comes to sli.
     
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/19 18:58:20 (permalink)
    What is really missing is x16 x16 -v- x16 x8 Being that this Thread is about SLI



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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/19 20:29:04 (permalink)
    Only time you should worry about x16/x16 is when you have 4K in surround on 3 screens otherwise, it's not much of a difference.

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 05:59:19 (permalink)
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    So if i want a better sli experience i should choose the asus z390 ws pro instead? Would x16x16 be significatly better then x8x8? Would it give me more fps?

    And i also noticed that it has an hdmi 2.0 which is very useful for navigating throu windows in 60hz.



    You can't have x16x16 or x16x8 on a Z board. There are 16 lanes to the CPU for all cheap CPUs like series 7, 8 and 9 (like 9900K). You need a HEDT platform (X299) for more than 16 lanes).
     
    For a Z platform all you can go with is x16 or x8x8 or x8x4x4.
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 09:31:54 (permalink)
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    So if i want a better sli experience i should choose the asus z390 ws pro instead? Would x16x16 be significatly better then x8x8? Would it give me more fps?

    And i also noticed that it has an hdmi 2.0 which is very useful for navigating throu windows in 60hz.



    You can't have x16x16 or x16x8 on a Z board. There are 16 lanes to the CPU for all cheap CPUs like series 7, 8 and 9 (like 9900K). You need a HEDT platform (X299) for more than 16 lanes).
     
    For a Z platform all you can go with is x16 or x8x8 or x8x4x4.




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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 09:33:50 (permalink)
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    I think you could only do pci 1 and pci 4 to get 8x/8x but you will have small overclocking headroom if you your only doing air cooling. I have 2 2080 ti xc ultras on pci 1 and pci 4 myself but while gaming my overclock is not great 1800-1900 mhz is about all I can get. 
    I think you would need the 4 way nvlink bridge.
    https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MEG-Z390-GODLIKE#down-manual

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 09:36:12 (permalink)
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    So if i want a better sli experience i should choose the asus z390 ws pro instead? Would x16x16 be significatly better then x8x8? Would it give me more fps?

    And i also noticed that it has an hdmi 2.0 which is very useful for navigating throu windows in 60hz.



    You can't have x16x16 or x16x8 on a Z board. There are 16 lanes to the CPU for all cheap CPUs like series 7, 8 and 9 (like 9900K). You need a HEDT platform (X299) for more than 16 lanes).
     
    For a Z platform all you can go with is x16 or x8x8 or x8x4x4.


    This says you can.
    https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/WS-Z390-PRO/specifications/
    4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16 mode, triple at x16/x8/x8 mode or quad x8/x8/x8/x8 mode)
    1 x PCIe x4 (max at x4 mode)
     
    Though not True x16 from what I have been reading the last few weeks.

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 09:44:01 (permalink)
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    This says you can.
    https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/WS-Z390-PRO/specifications/
    4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16 mode, triple at x16/x8/x8 mode or quad x8/x8/x8/x8 mode)
    1 x PCIe x4 (max at x4 mode)
     
    Though not True x16 from what I have been reading the last few weeks.




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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 09:55:58 (permalink)
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    This says you can.
    https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/WS-Z390-PRO/specifications/
    4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16 mode, triple at x16/x8/x8 mode or quad x8/x8/x8/x8 mode)
    1 x PCIe x4 (max at x4 mode)
     
    Though not True x16 from what I have been reading the last few weeks.

    The man is right and you are wrong. 
    How is it possible if the CPU only has 16 LANES?!  It's BS advertising from Asus.  Surprised they haven't been sued yet to learn their lessons along with their crappy CS.

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 09:57:57 (permalink)
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    So if i want a better sli experience i should choose the asus z390 ws pro instead? Would x16x16 be significatly better then x8x8? Would it give me more fps?

    And i also noticed that it has an hdmi 2.0 which is very useful for navigating throu windows in 60hz.



    You can't have x16x16 or x16x8 on a Z board. There are 16 lanes to the CPU for all cheap CPUs like series 7, 8 and 9 (like 9900K). You need a HEDT platform (X299) for more than 16 lanes).
     
    For a Z platform all you can go with is x16 or x8x8 or x8x4x4.


    This says you can.
    https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/WS-Z390-PRO/specifications/
    4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16 mode, triple at x16/x8/x8 mode or quad x8/x8/x8/x8 mode)
    1 x PCIe x4 (max at x4 mode)
     
    Though not True x16 from what I have been reading the last few weeks.




     
    If you have an m.2 hd then you could get 16x8x for the gpus and 4x for the m.2 i am guessing, 16x8x is still better than 8x8x. I don't think asus has a manual for the WS Z390 PRO yet.
      

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 10:06:10 (permalink)
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    So if i want a better sli experience i should choose the asus z390 ws pro instead? Would x16x16 be significatly better then x8x8? Would it give me more fps?

    And i also noticed that it has an hdmi 2.0 which is very useful for navigating throu windows in 60hz.



    You can't have x16x16 or x16x8 on a Z board. There are 16 lanes to the CPU for all cheap CPUs like series 7, 8 and 9 (like 9900K). You need a HEDT platform (X299) for more than 16 lanes).
     
    For a Z platform all you can go with is x16 or x8x8 or x8x4x4.


    This says you can.
    https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/WS-Z390-PRO/specifications/
    4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16 mode, triple at x16/x8/x8 mode or quad x8/x8/x8/x8 mode)
    1 x PCIe x4 (max at x4 mode)
     
    Though not True x16 from what I have been reading the last few weeks.

    If you have an m.2 hd then you could get 16x8x for the gpus and 4x for the m.2 i am guessing, 16x8x is still better than 8x8x. I don't think asus has a manual for the WS Z390 PRO yet.

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 10:27:39 (permalink)
    It is becuase the WS Z390 PRO PCIe has a PLX PCI-E bridge chip. It takes the 16 lanes from the CPU and split it into x2 16 lanes. But the PLX chip still only talks to the CPU at 1-16x. It's not going to be as good as true 16x/16x to the CPU.
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 10:36:20 (permalink)
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    It is becuase the WS Z390 PRO PCIe has a PLX PCI-E bridge chip. It takes the 16 lanes from the CPU and split it into x2 16 lanes. But the PLX chip still only talks to the CPU at 1-16x. It's not going to be as good as true 16x/16x to the CPU.

    Well that is what I have been reading about the last few weeks, but as pointed out it is all Lies.
    Why I also posted "Though not True x16 from what I have been reading the last few weeks"
    X299 (Or what it is to Follow) is the Best way to go now for 2 or more Graphics Cards.
     
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 11:00:09 (permalink)
    Yes, correct - go with X299 (or whatever HEDT) for more. All those PLX things are interrupt based and bandwidth limited. You can't fill a 1L bottle with 2 litres. Beware marketing ploys. 
    It has been shown (Gamers Nexus e.g.) that Turings show difference in x8x8 and loose some performance. If you already pay top dollar for a ridiculously expensive cards, rather go 9900X than 9900K for SLI if you care of every percentage of performance.
    It's admittedly not much, x8x8 and x16x16, but don't be fooled by fake solutions on way too expensive boards for what they offer.
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 11:52:59 (permalink)
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    A $600.00 Motherboard, no thanks.

     
    This is a thread about roughly $2,800 in graphics cards...that you can't really buy yet...so there's that. Its not huge gains going from x8 to x16, but considering the cost of the graphics cards it makes sense to squeeze every last drop out of them, which more CPU lanes brought by the HEDT boards will do, at an additional cost though. 
     
     
     
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/20 12:31:54 (permalink)
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    A $600.00 Motherboard, no thanks.

    This is a thread about roughly $2,800 in graphics cards...that you can't really buy yet...so there's that. Its not huge gains going from x8 to x16, but considering the cost of the graphics cards it makes sense to squeeze every last drop out of them, which more CPU lanes brought by the HEDT boards will do, at an additional cost though. 

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/21 02:55:01 (permalink)
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    Hi, i would like to know if a 2x2080ti ftw3 would fit on a MSI z390 MEG GODLIKE using a 3 or 4 slots nv-link bridge.
    I actually use a Cooler master cosmos 2 tower so i guess im good for the space.
     
    And last question, im using a noctua nh-d15(yeah big cpu heatsink) and was worried about that fact that it could hit the back shield of the mobo could it happen?
     
    Ty very for your answers its going to be very helpful!


    You will not be able to use the 1st PCI-E slot on an MSI MEG Z390 gODLIKE if you use Noctua NH-D15, it will overhang that slot.


     
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/21 13:49:10 (permalink)
    Ty for noticing this as i have never expected this to be an issue!

    So, any AIO cpu cooler you could suggest me? I need the best there is in term of cooling temperature, and overclocking potential. My computer case is a cooler master COSMOS 2.
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2018/10/21 14:11:38 (permalink)
    You want the best cooling. Go custom water loop. Tripple 120 or quad 120 fan rad.. EK D5 pump/res combo.

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2019/02/19 14:14:54 (permalink)
    Can I do sli on this card with the Maximus xi hero board????
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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2019/02/19 14:58:20 (permalink)
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    Can I do sli on this card with the Maximus xi hero board????


    The SLI PCIe assignments (Population Rules) are set by the MB Mfg & usually vary depending on the exact CPU & other hardware installed

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    Re: 2x2080ti ftw3 sli question 2019/02/19 15:03:46 (permalink)
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    Can I do sli on this card with the Maximus xi hero board????


    The SLI PCIe assignments (Population Rules) are set by the MB Mfg & usually vary depending on the exact CPU & other hardware installed




     
    I have a z390 maximus hero xi, 32gb ram, i9 9900k, 1000w power supply. Do you think I can run the ftw3 2080ti in sli with 2?????
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