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Hi all,
I just wanted to post about the effectiveness of the waterblock on the FTW3 cards.
These temps are measured after an hour of running heaven bench running at 2160 mhz with 1200 memory.
The cards average temps on air where gpu 75c with the top memory showing highest being 85c. *note* both temps well with in specs.
After placing it on water the average temps on the GPU where 49c. The hotspot on the card was still the top memory with an average temp of 52c.
Adding water also drastically stabilizes clock speeds by not hitting any of the heat throttles.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 04:56:55
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At what resolution? Was the 2160 clock at 4k or 1440p?
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 05:04:42
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Running on a 3440 x 1440 full screen with a second monitor to monitor temps
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 05:18:33
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My only real complaint is that the GPU block is not very smooth. You can see the milling texture on the bottom of the plate that sits directly on the chip so you need to be sure you do a good job with your thermal past.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 06:02:39
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Details of your cooling setup ?
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 06:27:38
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jinihammerer
My only real complaint is that the GPU block is not very smooth. You can see the milling texture on the bottom of the plate that sits directly on the chip so you need to be sure you do a good job with your thermal past.
You don't need a very smooth surface. The thermal paste is meant to fill the gaps. Smooth surfaces definitely look better for sure, but the thermal paste will take care of the texture. How did you apply the thermal paste? Did you use the X method, star method, completely cover it? Just curious. Also, do you have any pictures of the install by any chance? Pictures are always welcome here.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 06:43:31
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Icepaw
Details of your cooling setup ?
https://forums.evga.com/H...nt-build-m2886258.aspx the_Scarlet_one
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My only real complaint is that the GPU block is not very smooth. You can see the milling texture on the bottom of the plate that sits directly on the chip so you need to be sure you do a good job with your thermal past.
You don't need a very smooth surface. The thermal paste is meant to fill the gaps. Smooth surfaces definitely look better for sure, but the thermal paste will take care of the texture.
How did you apply the thermal paste? Did you use the X method, star method, completely cover it? Just curious.
Also, do you have any pictures of the install by any chance? Pictures are always welcome here.
I didn't say seeing the milling was a problem or did not mean to imply that.. Milling texture is still microscopic and if you where to run your fingers along it you would never feel them, I just like shiny smooooooooth LOL! I went with a star pattern cause i am always paranoid i never get enough paste down. I do it will all my chips. I have never had too much or too little so it works for me. The pictures are in the above link.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 08:07:02
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I hope all your Hardware is OK.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 09:25:15
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I would probably have rage quit computers if i lost all my brand spanking new car smell components. But all is well nothing got damaged at all.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 10:43:32
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 12:21:34
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jinihammerer
Icepaw
Details of your cooling setup ?
https://forums.evga.com/H...nt-build-m2886258.aspx
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jinihammerer
My only real complaint is that the GPU block is not very smooth. You can see the milling texture on the bottom of the plate that sits directly on the chip so you need to be sure you do a good job with your thermal past.
You don't need a very smooth surface. The thermal paste is meant to fill the gaps. Smooth surfaces definitely look better for sure, but the thermal paste will take care of the texture.
How did you apply the thermal paste? Did you use the X method, star method, completely cover it? Just curious.
Also, do you have any pictures of the install by any chance? Pictures are always welcome here.
I didn't say seeing the milling was a problem or did not mean to imply that.. Milling texture is still microscopic and if you where to run your fingers along it you would never feel them, I just like shiny smooooooooth LOL!
I went with a star pattern cause i am always paranoid i never get enough paste down. I do it will all my chips. I have never had too much or too little so it works for me.
The pictures are in the above link.
I would lap it, personally. It does make a difference.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 13:47:57
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I have one on the way. I can't tell from the pics, did you use the two slot bracket or does it work fine with the stock three slot one?
I have everything else sitting here to do a full loop and the HC block will be here on Tuesday, would hate to get hung up waiting on a bracket lol.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 14:08:48
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Yes as long as you have room for the normal 3 slot bracket you should be good with the block on it.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 15:06:56
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I left the 3 slot bracket on. I didn't need the slot for anything anyway. Andrew_K
I would lap it, personally. It does make a difference.
I may later, but I did not want to void the warranty before I even got it on the card and its cooling well enough that its not a big deal. 29c idle after all day of playing a game that kept the temps in the 44c range while running an aggressive overclock. I really cant complain.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/24 15:18:39
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with size of the thermal pad are used on the block... 0.5 and 1mm?
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/25 08:30:45
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I honestly did not pay attention to the pad thickness. they came from the factory so i knew they where right and I just ran with it. Was more interested in finally finishing my build than anything else.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 02:29:22
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I’m hitting 70-75 with my hydro copper block on my FTW3 ultra. I followed all the steps and everything seemed to make sense. Clearly I messed up somewhere.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Just to verify, we aren’t supposed to use the baseplate right?
(My titan Xp with EK block didn’t peak 50 degrees.)
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 02:47:29
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The mid plate definitely needs to come off. It should just be bare pcb and hudrocopper on the front side of the pcb.
Try tightening you core screws just a little bit more.
What TIM method did you use to co we the die? If there is an air bubble, or bad water flow going through the block, that could also cause issues with temperatures.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 03:08:51
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Tightening the core screws will do nothing to help. They simply hold a bracket that surrounds the core and are not attached to waterblock at all. The middle plate however does need to be removed, but he must have done that. Those are the screws that hold the waterblock on.
The backplate is a heat sync and should stay on the card. I don't know if it "must stay on" or not, but its possible that its neccessary to prevent the screws from bottoming out.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 13:11:11
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I am using hydronaut thermal grease for the card.
I went to bed last night out of frustration. Before going to work today I removed the card and removed the block. I could tell that most of the screws could have gone in further. It was very clear that only a small part of the water block was actually making contact with the GPU die. There was only a small circle of TIM on the block. This was further affirmed due to the fact that the memory and power systems reported in the low 30s... it was only the die that got hot.
I removed the block, applied new TIM, and tried to apply pressure around the screw that I was installing each time to ensure the screw was fully inserted, this time less scared to overtighten. I have now put a 1 pound box on top of the card and 1 liter of water on top of the box while I am at work. My hope is this very light weight might help to compress the thermal pads further. When I get home tonight, I will see if the screws can go any further.
Those are the thickest thermal pads I have ever encountered. It seems the require a little more pressure than normal to get them to compress.
Will report back later.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 13:37:55
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Make sure the back plate on as well. That is a heat sync and with out it you are likely hitting the bottom of the treading in the block.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 15:22:23
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Yes, backplate is installed and I double checked that I used the proper screws according to the instructions. I’ll triple check the screw type tonight.
I’m just getting tired of draining my loop. My new mobo had to be RMAd two weeks ago so it’s been one frustration after the other.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 15:29:11
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I've been known to use a heating pad to preheat the parts & TIM. Some products are extremely thick at room temp
I do not have any hydrocopper blocks .... the thermal pads all the same thickness ?
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/28 15:47:05
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I believe they are the same.
I didnt do any prep work for mine and my house is 70f. Just slapped it together then built the loop, and put it all together the next morning.
I did alternate the order I tightened the screws, snugging them all even and then a second random pass to tighten them. Just standard best practice stuff.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/29 01:20:57
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I’ve installed at least 5 EK GPU blocks before. I am convinced I have a faulty block. I tried everything I could think of and the block doesn’t extend far enough by like 1mm to actually make contact with the card.
I contacted EVGA’s 24/7 support and they asked me to send pictures. Let’s see where this goes.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/29 02:16:15
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That sucks, sorry to hear that. Wonder if it's the wrong block in the FTW 3 box.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/29 02:50:23
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Removed incorrect photo
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/29 03:22:07
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You said you removed the block and reapplied new tim did it look like the thermal paste was compressed good or not like the block was squeezing down good on the chip?
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/29 12:19:24
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So I thought maybe you were right about the block not being the right one. I checked my account and I can quadruple verify I ordered the right block. BUT comparing the block that I received to the product image, there is clearly a difference. I called support and the guy didn't see it? Here's to hoping that the original support engineer that helped me last night sees the difference. jinhammerer, can you verify that your block actually matches the FT3 Ti image that you posted?
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational)
2018/11/29 12:22:55
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