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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/03/30 17:08:35 (permalink)
I know. I have the non-FTW hydro copper water blocks.



 
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/03/30 17:10:47 (permalink)
I think even the non ftw3 block only fit there specific board . The non ftw3 Evga boards have A different layout as well
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/03/30 17:15:37 (permalink)
https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HC-1389-B1

It’s compatable. The layouts are different. But the GPU bracket and thick TIMs are the same. Biggest difference is the FTW is longer and has 3 more power phases.

But the engineering/design... call it oversights are consistent between the two.
 
Edit: Alright, I think that GPU bracket (which I still can't figure out what it does) is coming off!
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/02 11:20:44 (permalink)
I installed the block the other day and tested the new system late last night. The card was running.. lights on and all.. no picture. Mb was beeping and showed an issue with the VGA. Checked in the bios and showed no card installed.

So I figures either the card is bad or the water block is touching something on the card and grounding out.

So after draining the card (dual loop) and testing my former 1080ti and seeing it was fine in the same slot.. something is up with the card.

Today I removed the water block and installed the stock cooler. Fired right up and seen the post screen! Card is fine.. bios recognized the card installed this time. But what did I do wrong as I didnt notice anything looking off removing the water block?

So I read this thread.. I seen how many did what I thought was logical with the black side up for the bracket.

Instructions show silver side up with the screw threads facing up.. hmm.

So I check the card where the bracket was and then thought maybe the bracket is ground out on something as I see some solder spots on the left top side.. theres nothing else around the bracket to touch.

So I grab my 10x loop and check and guess what? Yup. The bracket for sure was touching one of the solder stops. Basicly a solder connection from a backside component threw the pcb. And I could tell because half the round solder was flattened from a straight edge. As in the flat edge hitting it from the bracket! Same flat edge on another stop below that solder connection.

No idea really how it will fit any different if I flip the bracket over.. but no doubt that's why the one side is black coated to protect from grounding out so now it all makes sense! :)

The thing is that edge where its black is not fully coated. So kinda like a bare edge.

I'll flip the bracket and see if it fits any different and away from those parts.

I may just coat those 2 spots that touch with nail polish or maybe just on the bracket to insure it dont ground out again.

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/02 11:40:27 (permalink)
Ok so when you flip the bracket "black side down" one can move the bracket around and push the bracket far enough away to the right, right up against the GPU socket so it just maybe barely clears those 2 part solder joints so it shouldnt touch.. but I'll pull out the multimeter and test to be sure.

The bracket inner corners could of been more squared and then I could really move it away from that area.. currently the inner corner is kinda rounded preventing me from budding the bracket right up against the GPU socket.

So point is.. if you installed the bracket black side up, those screw threads will fall in the screw holes and center that bracket so its laying right over those 2 spots on the upper left side and cause the card to ground out and not work.

Will check the block fitment with the bracket silver side up.

Some think the block will end up higher off the GPU die that way. We will see.

I prob will just take a flat file and grind away that bracket edge on the left side to keep it away.

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/02 12:17:56 (permalink)
Seems fine.. when I pulled the block off I had a heck of a time getting it apart as the thermal paste had such a good seal.

Also now when I look at how close the bracket is to the memory chips.. I bet it's getting in the way of the thermal pads making a good seal as the bracket is much higher then the chips.

So that could be why the one guy had better temps when he placed the pads directly to the chips insted of the way the pads are already mounted to the block.

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/02 12:32:10 (permalink)
After checking more.. having the bracket silver side up as per the instructions should not have any bearing on the die/block contact as one can clearly see the threads from the bracket are much lower then the metal bracket thats already surrounding the GPU chip. The area on the block that would come into contact with the bracket is flat. So the bracket itself does not touch the block at all. It's just another brace to help prevent the pcb from bending.

Also the area from the block that does contact the GPU die is raised.. but only were it touches the GPU die.

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/02 13:53:28 (permalink)
Its alive!

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/06 09:39:47 (permalink)
Updating with pics of the bracket issue and idle and load temps.











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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/10 13:10:05 (permalink)
I've been having a hell of a time installing the Hydro copper block on my system as well. Have to drain my loop and reinstall the block for the 3rd time now to troubleshoot the issue. I wanna shoot my computer lol. Temps start idleing at 25-30c but after about 10 mins of a game its hitting 70C+and its got to be contact is off because I can manually squeeze the card together and the temps immediately drop by 5-10c.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/10 13:31:01 (permalink)
On another thread someone mentioned the screws for the GPU bracket hitting the block? Maybe he was using the wrong screws or he was sent the wrong screws that are longer.. so check to see if the screws for your bracket are protruding out the bracket. Mentioned he had to loosen the bracket screws so the block could make contact with the GPU die.

Other then that start at the 4 main screws around the GPU die and work your way out from there to keep the card flat to the block.. sounds like the pcb is bowing.

Also the block has 2 guides (raised threads on the standoffs) that are to drop threw the screw holes of the card to help line it up. 1 on each side of the GPU die.. one about half way down on the side and another I believe near the top.

Make sure those are seated threw the card screw holes.

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/10 20:59:11 (permalink)
That bracket is a pain, this is probably one of the more difficult coolers to install. Once its on though it is pretty decent.
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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/11 09:37:50 (permalink)
I have the same problem, with my 2080 Ti + hydrocopper, temps are rising up to the 70°C after a run of timespy. Is this also a issue with the bracket? I've installed it like in the instruction with the black side to the pcb. 
 
This is my GPU loop 

 
Flow direction is from the lower left to the upper right.
 
If it's the issue with the bracket should I just flip it like others did with the silver side to the pcb?

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/11 23:14:57 (permalink)
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I have the same problem, with my 2080 Ti + hydrocopper, temps are rising up to the 70°C after a run of timespy. Is this also a issue with the bracket? I've installed it like in the instruction with the black side to the pcb. 
 
This is my GPU loop 

 
Flow direction is from the lower left to the upper right.
 
If it's the issue with the bracket should I just flip it like others did with the silver side to the pcb?




No DONT DO THAT!  Short the card!
 
Black side down like you have it.
 
Did you start with the 4 main screws around the GPU die when you put the block on?  If so maybe just remove the gpu bracket all together. Maybe your screws for the bracket are too long and are preventing the block from fully seating to the GPU. You'll have to check and see if you see marks on the block from the bracket screws if so.
 

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Re: 2080 ti ftw3 + hydrocopper temps (informational) 2019/04/12 00:38:40 (permalink)
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Hi all,

I just wanted to post about the effectiveness of the waterblock on the FTW3 cards.

These temps are measured after an hour of running heaven bench running at 2160 mhz with 1200 memory.

The cards average temps on air where gpu 75c with the top memory showing highest being 85c. *note* both temps well with in specs.

After placing it on water the average temps on the GPU where 49c. The hotspot on the card was still the top memory with an average temp of 52c.

Adding water also drastically stabilizes clock speeds by not hitting any of the heat throttles.



What were your clock speeds like on air? I suppose you don't fully realize you silicon lottery until you water cool...


 
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