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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 12:03:11 (permalink)
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 12:08:00 (permalink)
Thanks, this is an amazing chip. Bought it from a fellow EVGA member Dejanh in the EVGA Market place. He advertised it as a golden CPU batch number and claimed it did 4.2ghz @ 1.25 Vcore (which it did!)

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 12:22:03 (permalink)
OV3RCLK4

Sounds good to me. I was just curious about the minus .5 bclk we lose when in windows. I think people with 200x21 should still get the 4.2ghz stability club, even though cpu-z says 4189.5mhz

What do you think?

I don't believe the bios numbers are the true representation of the actual clock speed. Pretty sure what cpu-z reads is accurate for clock speeds. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 12:24:31 (permalink)
Correction! I know your father!  Asante sana squash banana!
 
 

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 12:31:36 (permalink)
I just put my batch number on my 4.55ghz overclock post.
 
Can you believe, the other night, I went straight from my 4.3ghz settings, and jacked it up to 4.6ghz and only changed the Vcore and +50mv on VTT. On my first try, first attempt, I got to test 19 and crashed. I wanted to die. I have not tried again since lol, too hot.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 14:53:36 (permalink)
 How do you go about getting higher Gflops? Could ram speed be an issue?




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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 14:55:05 (permalink)
yes. faster ram speed and tighter timings will help raise up the gflops.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 14:57:06 (permalink)
Hey Kram ol buddy ol pal. When are you going to put my new results up. I want to be 1st for Bloomfield
If anyone tries to beat me, i got 4.6ghz and 4.7ghz on the back burner just waiting to be unleashed.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 15:04:30 (permalink)
Lu523,
 
What QPI/Uncore/RAM clocks are you running?
I am curious how some of you get such low GFLOPS as well.
One thing I discovered when I was messing with a 920 was that the CPU PLL voltage also impacted the GFLOPS. Some people recommended to lower it down to 1.6 or 1.65V but I took mine back to default (1.8V) because it had a tremendous impact on the actual CPU performance.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 15:08:17 (permalink)
Damn...I need ~1.6v for 4.6ghz  ..its too warm out now

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 15:38:23 (permalink)
For my 24/7 4.3ghz OC, my CPU PLL is 1.5
memory is 1650mhz 6-6-6-18-59-1t @ 1.65, 0mv VTT Uncore is x16 and around 3300mhz. Rock solid stable for months. In fact, i just raised my uncore to x19 which is about 3900mhz, so VTT is now @ +150mv or 1.35. And yes the higher uncore gives more performance in certain areas.
 
I did 18 tests at 4.6ghz with CPU PLL @ 1.5 and Vcore @ 1.45 memory was around 1750mhz 7-7-7-20-69-1t @ 1.64vdimm, uncore was x16 and around 3500mhz so +50mv on VTT for me. I know if I put 1.4625Vcore it will go beyond 20 tests, but its very hot even with my liquid cooling. I dont like when its in the 80's. Dont let that low Vcore fool you, she is HOT AS HELL. oh yeah, it crashed on test 19

These other voltage I keep the same for all my overclocks from 4.3ghz to 4.6ghz.
QPI PLL 1.2
IOH PLL 1.35
IOH Vcore 1.2
ICH Vcore 1.1
 
Fastest I ever ran my ram was with my 4.420ghz overclock.... 1690mhz with 6-6-6-18-59-1t timings. Vdimm was 1.69. I haven't tried going beyond 2000mhz 8-8-8-24 yet though, im kinda scared of it
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 15:47:19 (permalink)
1.35 on the IOH PLL??? The default is 1.8V! I don't think it changes the temps at all so I would bring them back up. Same applies to the CPU PLL I did not observe that it help anything to lower it. As I said it just made the CPU slower at the same clock. Raise it back up to see if your Gflops go up.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 16:03:43 (permalink)
I lowered it to its lowest stable setting. If I raise it back up, i might be unstable. Ive done plenty of testing with it at auto(1.8) and with it lowered down to its lowest stable setting, and I don't see any difference in the Gflops or performance. I have tons of pictures to prove it.
 
CPU PLL however does help. If I raise it back up to 1.65 or 1.725 or 1.8, I crash and end up needing more voltage somewhere else.
 
My Gflops results are higher than most people with the same clock speeds anyway, so why would i change it.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 16:10:38 (permalink)
Strange... I have never found the lower CPU PLL voltage to help anything and only deteriorated my CPU benchmarks. I am not sure about the IOH PLL though. I never played with it but 1.35V does seem low.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 17:22:09 (permalink)
I dont run very many CPU benchmarks, so you may be right about it being slower. A few points lower on some benchmark doesnt bother me. I just like to know all my voltages are as low as possible.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 19:22:26 (permalink)
I am about to try some overclocking with this mobo, the Highest overclock I have ever had was 4.8ghz with a GA X58A UD7 but I had to change out my watercooling for an H70 and so far the highest I have got mine is 4.2ghz at 80-82gflps   

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 21:53:48 (permalink)
Come-on guys lets see a 5ghz+ like the sandy bridge, lol !!!

       
     
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 21:59:09 (permalink)
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Strange... I have never found the lower CPU PLL voltage to help anything and only deteriorated my CPU benchmarks. I am not sure about the IOH PLL though. I never played with it but 1.35V does seem low.

 
rafale, a slightly lower CPU PLL VCore is a proper adjustment for multiple video card rigs also...Shamino and Shansmi taught me that in the year 2009, and I've always run multiple
video card No.1 rigs, thus my CPU PLL VCore is at 1.65V. If ov3rclock4 runs his down as
low at 1.5V for stability, period, and it works for him, not affecting performance per se, then
you have to accept the fact that it has some validity, somewhere, somehow. 
 
In addition personally I run very low VTT voltages (125+ to 150+ MAX) and 12GB (6 x 2GB DIMMS) overclocked G. Skill RAM (1688Mhz RAM speed in ELEET/CPUZ, 1696Mhz in BIOS), which takes extra VDIMM (again, Shamino, Shansmi data as I recall it) and/or extra VDIMM+ slightly relaxed timings. I think that the relaxed timings costs me GFlops, but I'd rather have a stable 12GB RAM situation than high GFlops. High GFlops is not a true test of performance: high Mhz and stability is though!  
 
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 22:57:13 (permalink)
Don't know if I agree with everything here. High gflop using a given binary is representative of how fast the cpu computes. High clock means nothing if the actual output of the cpu is decreased. The Intel P4 experience is a good proof. Except for the glory of running the cpu at a higher clock, there is no benefit. the computer is actually not faster. It is a similar argument to running the ram at 1600MHz 7-7-7vs 2000MHz 10-12-10. Guess which one is faster? That would be the lower clock one in case you wondered.

As I said I did follow these guidances on the CPU PLL before and they yielded a dramatic drop in CPU performance at the same clock (something like 5 or 6 Gflops on a bloomfiled, it is 10%) while not doing anything to my temperatures or stability. Granted my setup was not unstable to begin with. It did not make it less stable...

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 23:31:57 (permalink)
5 or 6 Gflops is a big difference. I can test with higher IOH PLL and CPU PLL if you like and show you the difference.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 23:33:52 (permalink)
i like faster ram, timings i can never see the diff, ill take the 2000mghz over 1600 allday

       
     
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 23:48:11 (permalink)
Need to get my 930 @ 4.44GHz in here. Could probably do 4.5GHz but I think my 1600MHz RAM is limiting me. Probably run LinX when I go to bed when it is cooler.

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 23:53:41 (permalink)
Don't you have to save power in Japan?

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/07 23:55:37 (permalink)
We're arguing apples and oranges:
 
1) Without being a stable computer my 970-equipped Classified rig would fail its FAHome assignments, have BSOD epidodes, cause me endless grief which is unnecessary, and the combination of adjustments I arrived at for its stability is similar to my 920 experience, with one caveat--it needs more VCore than I am used to giving a CPU because of my low-voltage 920's. Apparently the 970 can need a lot, or very little VCore, it's possible to get either type and neither one is necessarily better than the other.
 
2) My RAM timing now is 9-9-9-25-96-2T; G. Skill says 8-8-8-21-59-1T is recommended. My 970 passed LinX without issues with my adjustments to RAM timing and increased voltage, from 1.67V to 1.68V, no other changes whatsoever. I was getting failures on the same LinX test (20X @ 4273Mhz) the other way, (at or about iteration 18 to 19 out of the 20 necessary) so my adjustments were a good thing for LinX stability and I've kept them for my 24/7 overclock of 4215Mhz.
 
3) I don't know if I've lost or gained RAM computing power in relation to the work I do, maybe so in the absolute sense by GFlops testing, but OTOH I am stable, and completing my FAHome WU's in record times (for the CPU in question the 970...it is literally 1-2 minutes faster per iteration with the new adjustments) these days. My PPD has increased by 20K PPD, so a good result overall for the RAM timing adjustments, VDIMM adjustment, everything else the same.
 
If you base everything you do on GFlops per CPU at a given Mhz, then my GFlops with the 970 are normal at or about 80.75GFlops average at a clock speed of 4273Mhz in LinX testing. I didn't lose GFlops that I never had, you know? If the LinX run didn't complete then any GFlops that were higher than 80.75GFlops average that I am getting now are still meaningless because the computer wasn't stable enough to complete the LinX run and earn higher GFloops, if there were higher GFlops to be earned, that is. 
 
If Joe Blow over there runs 4273Mhz with RAM timings that are higher/tighter than mine, ie 7-7-7-18-59-1T, I could care less really, if he gets higher GFlops than I got, because I am successful in the same LinX run and completing FAHome Big Adv. Work Units faster than I was with stability issues, no doubt!  
 
So you tell me who was first, the chicken or the egg? 
 
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/08 00:03:08 (permalink)
lol, lost me there

       
     
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/08 00:18:20 (permalink)
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Don't you have to save power in Japan?

My prefecture is fine and we haven't had a planned blackout for awhile that I know of. Not to sure on that as I have been at Sendai Airport in Operation Tomodachi with Task Force Fuji helping them get the Airport up and running by the 11th for the 30 day anniversary. By the way things were looking when they told us we needed to leave they would have it done. Also was at a few schools cleaning the grounds of debris.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/08 05:33:38 (permalink)
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So you tell me who was first, the chicken or the egg? 

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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/08 07:30:03 (permalink)
And what is the point of having 4.0Ghz vs 4.5Ghz when it will make difference of 120 > 130FPS? Not saying you should not overclock but for i7 1366 socket CPUs i believe 4.0Ghz is Golden spot.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/08 09:05:45 (permalink)
The members do it for the fun of doing it. Same thing as saying why have cars that can go over 100mph when the speed limit is 65.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 2011/04/08 10:11:26 (permalink)
and who wants a 1000 dollar chip, and run it stock?

       
     
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