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Title says it all. Hope we get the new BAR support for PCIE 3.0 as I know it works just fine for it. Just needs a bios update 
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/04 09:57:23 (permalink)
    Just to make this thread crystal clear --> Resizable BAR
     
     
      Resizable BAR (Base Address Register), the technology behind AMD's Smart Access Memory (SAM)

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/04 11:33:09 (permalink)
    I have a much older motherboard than the x299 ones, it's an x99, and I also wonder what motherboards might get an update, and how old of a motherboard will get it, given I have a fairly old one.
    I'm hoping we can see it across a wide range of them eventually, though I'm guessing the newest ones will come first.


     
     
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/04 12:00:42 (permalink)
    Good question, I'm wondering this too, hopefully it will come. I like the mobo and do plan to replace it soon.
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/04 13:01:04 (permalink)
    "It gets more interesting—Intel processors have been supporting this feature since the company's 4th Gen Core "Haswell," which introduced it with its 20-lane PCI-Express gen 3.0 root-complex. This means that every Intel processor dating back to 2014 can technically support Resizable-BAR, and it's just a matter of motherboard vendors releasing UEFI firmware updates for their products (i.e. Intel 8-series chipsets and later). AMD extensively advertises SAM as adding a 1-2% performance boost to Radeon RX 6800 series graphics cards. Since this is a PCI-SIG feature, NVIDIA plans to add support for it on some of its GPUs, too. Meanwhile, in addition to AMD 500-series chipsets, even certain Intel 400-series chipset motherboards started receiving Resizable BAR support through firmware updates."
     
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/05 06:10:42 (permalink)
    hmm, back to Haswell, so my 5930k is possible, assuming the needed update is made.


     
     
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/08 17:24:09 (permalink)
    Hopefully someone from EVGA can give us some insight please!!! I would love this!!
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/16 07:13:13 (permalink)
    The silence doesn't sound promising....
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/16 11:59:14 (permalink)
    I would hope they at least support current products such as X299 (since I mean they still sell it) but X99 and older I'm not sure. 
     
    It would be interesting as well to see if a vBIOS is also required for GPUs or just a driver update. 
     
    Maybe some people will create modified BIOS' for older platforms with support 

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/21 12:57:34 (permalink)
    Gigabyte joined the list.

    post edited by ESchrijver - 2020/12/21 13:01:29
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/21 13:05:34 (permalink)
    I am actually curious about this as well. I know EVGA is a small company, but since this has been a feature for quite a long time that just wasn't implemented (I think), I've sent a ticket to EVGA asking about it for my X299 FTW K.

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/22 20:45:11 (permalink)
    "We have released a BIOS update for our Z490 based motherboards however I cannot guarantee that we will release an update for the X299 series for the function. I apologize for any inconvenience."
     
    I'll take that as a not for anything other than the Z490 platform.

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/26 18:13:40 (permalink)
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    "We have released a BIOS update for our Z490 based motherboards however I cannot guarantee that we will release an update for the X299 series for the function. I apologize for any inconvenience."
     
    I'll take that as a not for anything other than the Z490 platform.


    That proves that my hunch of them trying to stop supporting the platform is probably right. The way they put out x299 Dark 1.24 really made it feel like the last push effort. With TiN being gone the boards will likely go back to being subpar again.
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/27 07:29:19 (permalink)
    I saw this review showing it's effect on Asus motherboards with i9 10900k and the Raedon RX 6800
    https://www.legitreviews....ls-z490-chipset_224898


     
     
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/28 10:32:49 (permalink)
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    "We have released a BIOS update for our Z490 based motherboards however I cannot guarantee that we will release an update for the X299 series for the function. I apologize for any inconvenience."
     
    I'll take that as a not for anything other than the Z490 platform.


    I think we would need someone like Jacob to confirm this to know for sure, but it definitely isn't looking good. 

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/28 10:47:04 (permalink)
    Seems like X299 is just dead for them I guess,  We still have not gotten Elite X1 for X299.
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/28 10:56:29 (permalink)
    I imagine evga is dedicating a lot of resources to all the RMAs of the 30 series GPUs.
     
    Probably do not have any time/money to work on this.

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/29 03:36:37 (permalink)
    :( so X299 is allready not important anymore...
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2020/12/31 14:06:45 (permalink)
    Not true. Everyone here is acting like that, but you guys do realize we will most likely get 10nm CPU or 7nm CPU from Intel as x99 got a new 14 nm before support ended? I am sure BAR will come if everyone demands it. ASUS added NVME support on older bioses. Just request it and keep this thread alive/ Ask EVGA JACOB TOO! If there is a demand, there will be an update I am sure. Z series boards are rolling these out. Part of PCIE spec.
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/12 12:13:33 (permalink)
    Resizable BAR has been officially announced by nVidia. Seems like 10th gen and 11th gen will be getting it. Anything else will be up to board manufacturers. 
     
    vBIOS and Driver updates will be in Feb so all we would need is a new BIOS update for X299 boards... 
     
     

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/12 19:49:35 (permalink)
    Any chance the SR-3 dark getting this?
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/12 20:16:30 (permalink)
    As an owner of an x299 FTW K I also would like to request the resizable bar option be added in a future BIOS update please!
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 07:18:02 (permalink)
    As an owner of an X299 I to would love to see the resizable bar option available for current X299 MB owners. The X299 is a premium board. There should be support for the feature in a future bios update.

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 07:19:56 (permalink)
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    Resizable BAR has been officially announced by nVidia. Seems like 10th gen and 11th gen will be getting it. Anything else will be up to board manufacturers. 
     
    vBIOS and Driver updates will be in Feb so all we would need is a new BIOS update for X299 boards... 
     
     




    That would be awesome. But in reality we might only get an Intel micro code update.

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 08:52:44 (permalink)
    I think the wording "select 10th gen processors" indicates this is a Z490+ thing, but I did see MSI release BAR for all of their Threadripper boards. It also mentioned in the article MSI hasn't decided on their X299 boards yet but if there was enough demand they would do it. 
     
    Which means, EVGA can do it too and probably needs to see demand? 
     
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    Any chance the SR-3 dark getting this?


     
    The technology itself is apparently possible since 4th gen haswell CPUs. At this point it's a money thing, they want you to buy the newest stuff. If X299 gets it, I don't see why SR-3 wouldn't, especially since the SR-3 is the "flagship". 

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 10:15:35 (permalink)
    So let me get this straight in a nutshell.
     
    Higher end boards tend to get less updates as both intel and EVGA do not sell many of them. It's been like this forever and it sucks as it's like saying I have bought a product that has sold 3,000 units worldwide. So I should have all the support in the world when it's cheaper and more of a mainstream product. That does a similar thing and has sold over 500,000 units. Which one do you think will get updates first? Simple Answer: It's going to be the lower end item that sold more. Let's say what you bought is $1,000 so 1000 x 3000 = $3,000,000 they got total for that whole lot sold and the cheaper mainstream ones are $250 each so 500,000 x 250 so they got $125,000,000 from them so they got nearly 42 times more. Which one gets more development time? The lower end mainstream product. It's all down to money. It sucks and we all know that's why. Maybe we should tend to avoid buying anything very high end in computer hardware. As I know very well that they will have next to no updates as all the developers time is put into the lower end ones that sell better and the high end product ends up at the back of the line and take ages for intel to make any updates as the lower chipsets sell better. It would be nice if you could buy a high end item and know it will be well supported with updates and lots of extra features down the line. But after all it's from a company and 99% of the time all they care about is money. If Intel sends EVGA updated BIOS code. EVGA will update it but as intel sell so little of the X299 chipsets. All they think is Oh that can wait Till we have a spare minute after we count all this cash from all the low end chipsets and after we get them new updates 4-5x over and then we may possibly think to do something with that. It's so annoying! Just stop it!

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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 11:19:05 (permalink)
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    So let me get this straight in a nutshell.
     
    Higher end boards tend to get less updates as both intel and EVGA do not sell many of them. It's been like this forever and it sucks as it's like saying I have bought a product that has sold 3,000 units worldwide. So I should have all the support in the world when it's cheaper and more of a mainstream product. That does a similar thing and has sold over 500,000 units. Which one do you think will get updates first? Simple Answer: It's going to be the lower end item that sold more. Let's say what you bought is $1,000 so 1000 x 3000 = $3,000,000 they got total for that whole lot sold and the cheaper mainstream ones are $250 each so 500,000 x 250 so they got $125,000,000 from them so they got nearly 42 times more. Which one gets more development time? The lower end mainstream product. It's all down to money. It sucks and we all know that's why. Maybe we should tend to avoid buying anything very high end in computer hardware. As I know very well that they will have next to no updates as all the developers time is put into the lower end ones that sell better and the high end product ends up at the back of the line and take ages for intel to make any updates as the lower chipsets sell better. It would be nice if you could buy a high end item and know it will be well supported with updates and lots of extra features down the line. But after all it's from a company and 99% of the time all they care about is money. If Intel sends EVGA updated BIOS code. EVGA will update it but as intel sell so little of the X299 chipsets. All they think is Oh that can wait Till we have a spare minute after we count all this cash from all the low end chipsets and after we get them new updates 4-5x over and then we may possibly think to do something with that. It's so annoying! Just stop it!




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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 12:24:32 (permalink)
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    So let me get this straight in a nutshell.
     
    Higher end boards tend to get less updates as both intel and EVGA do not sell many of them. It's been like this forever and it sucks as it's like saying I have bought a product that has sold 3,000 units worldwide. So I should have all the support in the world when it's cheaper and more of a mainstream product. That does a similar thing and has sold over 500,000 units. Which one do you think will get updates first? Simple Answer: It's going to be the lower end item that sold more. Let's say what you bought is $1,000 so 1000 x 3000 = $3,000,000 they got total for that whole lot sold and the cheaper mainstream ones are $250 each so 500,000 x 250 so they got $125,000,000 from them so they got nearly 42 times more. Which one gets more development time? The lower end mainstream product. It's all down to money. It sucks and we all know that's why. Maybe we should tend to avoid buying anything very high end in computer hardware. As I know very well that they will have next to no updates as all the developers time is put into the lower end ones that sell better and the high end product ends up at the back of the line and take ages for intel to make any updates as the lower chipsets sell better. It would be nice if you could buy a high end item and know it will be well supported with updates and lots of extra features down the line. But after all it's from a company and 99% of the time all they care about is money. If Intel sends EVGA updated BIOS code. EVGA will update it but as intel sell so little of the X299 chipsets. All they think is Oh that can wait Till we have a spare minute after we count all this cash from all the low end chipsets and after we get them new updates 4-5x over and then we may possibly think to do something with that. It's so annoying! Just stop it!




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    Thank you. We would all really appreciate it if EVGA could bless us with BAR support on X299/SR-3 boards. 
     
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    So let me get this straight in a nutshell.
     
    Higher end boards tend to get less updates as both intel and EVGA do not sell many of them. It's been like this forever and it sucks as it's like saying I have bought a product that has sold 3,000 units worldwide. So I should have all the support in the world when it's cheaper and more of a mainstream product. That does a similar thing and has sold over 500,000 units. Which one do you think will get updates first? Simple Answer: It's going to be the lower end item that sold more. Let's say what you bought is $1,000 so 1000 x 3000 = $3,000,000 they got total for that whole lot sold and the cheaper mainstream ones are $250 each so 500,000 x 250 so they got $125,000,000 from them so they got nearly 42 times more. Which one gets more development time? The lower end mainstream product. It's all down to money. It sucks and we all know that's why. Maybe we should tend to avoid buying anything very high end in computer hardware. As I know very well that they will have next to no updates as all the developers time is put into the lower end ones that sell better and the high end product ends up at the back of the line and take ages for intel to make any updates as the lower chipsets sell better. It would be nice if you could buy a high end item and know it will be well supported with updates and lots of extra features down the line. But after all it's from a company and 99% of the time all they care about is money. If Intel sends EVGA updated BIOS code. EVGA will update it but as intel sell so little of the X299 chipsets. All they think is Oh that can wait Till we have a spare minute after we count all this cash from all the low end chipsets and after we get them new updates 4-5x over and then we may possibly think to do something with that. It's so annoying! Just stop it!


     
    You would be surprised. High end boards normally last longer than mainstream. X299 is still in production and I just bought one along with several others here recently. Sometimes you gotta make noise and trust me there have been times making that noise got results. Until EVGA comes out and says we ain't doing it, many will continue to ask. Who knows, maybe we might get an update. We are not asking to get it before anyone else, I mean mainstream isn't getting it until late February. We are just asking to get it eventually. 
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 17:52:57 (permalink)
    It should be the other way around. Premium grade hardware should get the first wave of updates and be a top priority for all companies. I know EVGA's heart in the past was all about the user experience. I do know that EVGA's R&D engineering improves on existing features for their flagship x299 motherboard bios besides the boring change log of Intel microcode. This is where EVGA obliviates most of the competition. MSI for example does nothing to improve current hardware/software functionality with their current X299 series MB. All MSI has been doing for the last year or more is relying on Intel for microcode updates then washing it out to the users. MSI's general website for software and driver support is also outdated by almost 7 to 8 months. That's another reason why I won't be using MSI in the future. I will switch back to EVGA or Asus. For all we know maybe the board makers want to release a X299 v2.0 Motherboard with BAR/Support. Just so they can make a quick cash grab before the X299 stops being manufactured. It's not about the principle of business. It's all about making money. 
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    Re: Will be get the new BAR/support like Asus boards are doing for z490 2021/01/13 21:53:30 (permalink)
    Digital_Fuzion
    It should be the other way around. Premium grade hardware should get the first wave of updates and be a top priority for all companies. I know EVGA's heart in the past was all about the user experience. I do know that EVGA's R&D engineering improves on existing features for their flagship x299 motherboard bios besides the boring change log of Intel microcode. This is where EVGA obliviates most of the competition. MSI for example does nothing to improve current hardware/software functionality with their current X299 series MB. All MSI has been doing for the last year or more is relying on Intel for microcode updates then washing it out to the users. MSI's general website for software and driver support is also outdated by almost 7 to 8 months. That's another reason why I won't be using MSI in the future. I will switch back to EVGA or Asus. For all we know maybe the board makers want to release a X299 v2.0 Motherboard with BAR/Support. Just so they can make a quick cash grab before the X299 stops being manufactured. It's not about the principle of business. It's all about making money. 


    EVGA is behind other vendors for features so they are always playing catch up which is why they always have "feature updates" that existed from the start on other vendor's boards.  Hopefully next generation has these features from the start as well, actually launching product on time would be nice as well.  I have my X299 dark in the box now for this among other reasons.
    post edited by DEJ915 - 2021/01/13 21:57:32
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