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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 14:53:39 (permalink)
Guys, too much drama; the block sits great on the card and seals very well. The 'missing' screw is because they moved things a little so that the logo doesn't interfere with the SLI connectors. The screws securing the logo and adapter would interefere with that 'missing' screw. There are so many other screws holding this thing together that its almost a joke. I don't see any issues with mine.


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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 16:45:47 (permalink)
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shadowboricua  Note the two missing Screw Mounts on the Ti under the inlet/outlet. (For me this is what is so discouraging)
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Again, it looks like the screw hole is missing because the adapter was moved towards the back of the card and they added the logo. It seems like the position of the missing screw would clash with the position of one of the adapter/logo screws. Doesn't seem to matter as the mount is solid on the PCB and like to keep the 1080 Ti logo while running SLI.


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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 17:35:56 (permalink)
Bah, I just received both of my 1080 Ti Blocks today and both the logo plates (or stickers as it turns out) are pushed in and bent. There is no support behind them, going to have to fashion something to hold them. Hope EK support is good and will send me new logo plates or shrouds.....


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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 17:53:58 (permalink)
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Well it is enough for me to stay with the Titan X (Pascal) EK Water Block.
Just ordered my 3rd Kit from PC-Performance. (A Titan X (Pascal) Kit).


If Anything, that's something convenient about the titan kit.... Can get it locally instead of Slovenia.


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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 17:54:13 (permalink)
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Bah, I just received both of my 1080 Ti Blocks today and both the logo plates (or stickers as it turns out) are pushed in and bent. There is no support behind them, going to have to fashion something to hold them. Hope EK support is good and will send me new logo plates or shrouds.....


Can you post a photo?


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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 18:04:25 (permalink)
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Guys, too much drama; the block sits great on the card and seals very well. The 'missing' screw is because they moved things a little so that the logo doesn't interfere with the SLI connectors. The screws securing the logo and adapter would interefere with that 'missing' screw. There are so many other screws holding this thing together that its almost a joke. I don't see any issues with mine.




Took the words out of my mouth.

Some folks and their armchair engineering degrees in water cooling are creating speculative uncertainty.  If there's signs of bad temps, flow, etc., than there is a right to create some concern otherwise, install the block properly and have a nice day.  I think some are creating a commotion to jack up their total count on posts.  It's ridiculous really.

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 18:09:20 (permalink)
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 18:17:40 (permalink)
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Well time for me to pull out of this Thread.
You have the Experts now GTXJackBauer  and shadowboricua on the case




You could learn how to use the forum first and foremost by clicking on each person's quote button so you're not spamming the whole thread with your responses individually to get your total posts count higher than the universe.
 
Second, instead of creating a PR nightmare for EK and spreading false information and a frenzy on a company that's been around for almost 2 decades in the custom water cooling community, you should contact them with your speculative concerns.  For the record, I don't own a single piece of EK hardware as these was a unbiased response.
 
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 18:59:52 (permalink)
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 19:26:45 (permalink)
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Well it is enough for me to stay with the Titan X (Pascal) EK Water Block.
Just ordered my 3rd Kit from PC-Performance. (A Titan X (Pascal) Kit).


If Anything, that's something convenient about the titan kit.... Can get it locally instead of Slovenia.

Really? Today? Where?


Meaning in the US, instead of Slovenia.


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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 19:35:13 (permalink)
I agree with bcavnaugh as to the mounting points on the 1080Ti block. That is one hell of a jump from one mounting point to the other. That's well over 3 inches and probably closer to 4. The saving grace is the 4 GPU spring mounted screws inside of those points.

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 20:05:57 (permalink)
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Bah, I just received both of my 1080 Ti Blocks today and both the logo plates (or stickers as it turns out) are pushed in and bent. There is no support behind them, going to have to fashion something to hold them. Hope EK support is good and will send me new logo plates or shrouds.....


Can you post a photo?




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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 20:25:08 (permalink)
Haters gon' hate.

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Lol jk, that really sucks about the logo plate damage. The more I see that cheap looking add-on the happier I am that I didn't wait for it. I'm fine with my Titan X block.

Also, btw, I found out that the FE backplate is coated with a thermal pad of sorts which apparently is why Nvidia decided the thermal pad locations marked on the board we're unnecessary. The EKWB instructions to place thermal pads in between the backplate and the board must be for their backplates specifically because they don't have that thin thermal later.

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 22:31:25 (permalink)
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I agree with bcavnaugh as to the mounting points on the 1080Ti block. That is one hell of a jump from one mounting point to the other. That's well over 3 inches and probably closer to 4. The saving grace is the 4 GPU spring mounted screws inside of those points.




Right but ultimately is that additional point absolutely necessary?  Sure another point there would be a great piece of mind, however, I would think that the 4 GPU mounts are what matter most IMO.  Contact with the VRAM is left up to the thermal pads.
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 23:00:30 (permalink)
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Guys, too much drama; the block sits great on the card and seals very well. The 'missing' screw is because they moved things a little so that the logo doesn't interfere with the SLI connectors. The screws securing the logo and adapter would interefere with that 'missing' screw. There are so many other screws holding this thing together that its almost a joke. I don't see any issues with mine.




You got the EK backplate as well?  I could have sworn someone on here said that the nvidia backplate could be used with the EK waterblock as long as the stand offs were used correctly.  EK's Web site says that it won't work.
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 23:02:12 (permalink)
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Guys, too much drama; the block sits great on the card and seals very well. The 'missing' screw is because they moved things a little so that the logo doesn't interfere with the SLI connectors. The screws securing the logo and adapter would interefere with that 'missing' screw. There are so many other screws holding this thing together that its almost a joke. I don't see any issues with mine.




You got the EK backplate as well?  I could have sworn someone on here said that the nvidia backplate could be used with the EK waterblock as long as the stand offs were used correctly.  EK's Web site says that it won't work.

I'm using the FE backplate. It works just fine, you just have a few screws leftover when you're done.

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 23:12:58 (permalink)
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I'm using the FE backplate. It works just fine, you just have a few screws leftover when you're done.



Thank you for verifying this.  You have the 1080Ti waterblock, correct?  Mine came in today, however, I haven't been able to mess with it yet.  I also just found the post talking about the FE backplate working.  
 
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 23:13:57 (permalink)
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I'm using the FE backplate. It works just fine, you just have a few screws leftover when you're done.



Thank you for verifying this.  You have the 1080Ti waterblock, correct?  Mine came in today, however, I haven't been able to mess with it yet.  I also just found the post talking about the FE backplate working.  
 
https://forums.evga.com/P...terblock-m2635322.aspx

I have the Titan X Pascal water block.

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 23:24:14 (permalink)
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I have the Titan X Pascal water block.



OK Thanks.  Thinking about it I guess the water block won't really matter, will it?  This will all make more sense when I sit down and do it myself.
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/13 23:25:19 (permalink)
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I have the Titan X Pascal water block.



OK Thanks.  Thinking about it I guess the water block won't really matter, will it?  This will all make more sense when I sit down and do it myself.

They're mostly the same. I think the 1080 Ti block might have a couple less screws based on earlier comments in this thread.

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/14 01:23:24 (permalink)
I am debating going water or not with my future 1080Ti, in my mind is the added maintenance and extra point of failures really worth, the cooler temps. Question for peeps, does watercooling help reduce ambient temps in a small room any? I sit my desktop in a 10x8ish room and it gets hot in here while gaming especially in summer

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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/14 09:12:01 (permalink)
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I am debating going water or not with my future 1080Ti, in my mind is the added maintenance and extra point of failures really worth, the cooler temps. Question for peeps, does watercooling help reduce ambient temps in a small room any? I sit my desktop in a 10x8ish room and it gets hot in here while gaming especially in summer




Sometimes I have wondered the same, however, the water loop really isn't a pain once you get it up and going.  I used very good fittings and components overall and I've had almost no problems.  The only problems I have had were a little build up of gunk, however, it didn't seem to affect anything.  The temps are great. 
 
Ambient temps will be no better or worse.  Computer is still going to give off the same amount of heat.  The only situation where this would be different is if your radiators were outside of that room.  The heat would then hit that room of course.
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/14 09:35:46 (permalink)
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Ambient temps will be no better or worse.  Computer is still going to give off the same amount of heat.  The only situation where this would be different is if your radiators were outside of that room.  The heat would then hit that room of course.


In my experience I have to disagree with this. I understand the thermal dynamics of this statement and that the same amount of energy has to be dissipated, but I think it's dissipated differently. More heat is captured and stays in the components (water, blocks, radiators, etc.) and it is thrown out the back of the computer as rapidly. 

 
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/14 09:47:04 (permalink)
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Ambient temps will be no better or worse.  Computer is still going to give off the same amount of heat.  The only situation where this would be different is if your radiators were outside of that room.  The heat would then hit that room of course.


In my experience I have to disagree with this. I understand the thermal dynamics of this statement and that the same amount of energy has to be dissipated, but I think it's dissipated differently. More heat is captured and stays in the components (water, blocks, radiators, etc.) and it is thrown out the back of the computer as rapidly. 

I have to agree with this statement.

I've been through thermodynamics and heat transfer and I'm not sure it's as simple as just saying "the amount of heat produced is equal".

I believe the increased density of the water (vs air) leads to more heat mass in the liquid. This means that the water will absorb the same amount of energy with less of a change in temperature than air. Say, the water heats to 40°C with 100J of absorbed energy while the air heats to 75°C with 100J of energy.

The water cooled system then transfers the heat from the radiator (40°C) to the ambient air (20°C) while the air cooled system transfers the 75°C air directly into the air.

It's not a simple equation and I'm not a heat transfer pro but this seems to make sense as well as jive with my experience in my small room before vs after water-cooling.

EDIT: I should specify that if running long enough to reach equilibrium, the water-cooled system should then have an identical effect on the room temp. My thoughts above only explain the difference until then.

Air cooled system reach equilibrium within a minute. Water-cooled systems take longer. Any perceived difference after equilibrium is reached is probably due to the fact that water-cooled systems tend to hold heat in rather than violently blowing it around the room.

Think: oil space heater vs ceramic heater with a fan.
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Re: Who's going 1080Ti on water? Founder's + EK block or HydroCopper? 2017/04/14 09:58:08 (permalink)
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I believe the increased density of the water (vs air) leads to more heat mass in the liquid. This means that the water will absorb the same amount of energy with less of a change in temperature than air. Say, the water heats to 40°C with 100J of absorbed energy while the air heats to 75°C with 100J of energy.

The water cooled system then transfers the heat from the radiator (40°C) to the ambient air (20°C) while the air cooled system transfers the 75°C air directly into the air.

It's not a simple equation and I'm not a heat transfer pro but this seems to make sense as well as jive with my experience in my small room before vs after water-cooling.

This is correct and more eloquent than my statement. It takes more energy to heat water by 1 degree than it does to heat air.

 
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