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2021/06/06 23:33:03 (permalink)
When do you think the GPU demand will decrease and there will be enough supply to go around? I was talking to some people saying that the next halving(Crypto) will be when the market returns to normal. What do you think?
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    AverageEnjoyer
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/06 23:51:54 (permalink)
    No one really knows. Some said prices would go back to normal by april, some said june, some are now saying Q4 2021, others say that by mid 2022 things will get better.
     
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/06 23:54:34 (permalink)
    i predict it would be after implementation of eip 1559 and with sufficient lhr gpus stocks available around the world that's impossible to scalper. I can safely say it might be around or after q4 2021. Who knows.

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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/06 23:54:37 (permalink)
    That's not quite it... if the crypto market falls enough, GPU mining would be less profitable, but my understanding is that the problem is a little more extensive than crypto mining.  For one thing, we're in a worldwide semiconductor shortage due to a huge host of market conditions triggered by the pandemic.  Even a lot of automobile manufacturers are being held back by a shortage of the electronics for cars, it's that bad.  Currently, even TSMC--easily the most important chip fab for the good stuff we all want--is being handicapped by a shortage of substrate.  Apparently, new substrate suppliers will be online Q1 of next year, which is also around the time Intel launches their discrete graphics card, bringing a third competitor to the game.  If Etherium has gone to proof of stake by then (most likely will, which will greatly reduce mining potential), there's a good chance we'll see the graphics card market normalize, now with 3 competitors :)

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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 02:47:33 (permalink)
    Mining reduction would definitely reduce demand, the question is still if supply would be enough.
    I think a mining crash would already help but not "normalize" the market already.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 02:55:54 (permalink)
    Crypto is not the biggest problem. Supply is lacking bad. In 21Q4b-22Q1 should open new silicon factories in the US. So until then, it's just a waiting game.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 02:58:47 (permalink)
    The current situation is silly.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 05:48:49 (permalink)
    I'll keep my fingers crossed, that this situation will hopefully end this year.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 05:50:35 (permalink)
    Sad to say 2022 is still the conservative estimate by a lot of analysts.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 05:55:05 (permalink)
    From what I read and understand, 2022 at best, as this is not a demand problem (aka mining) but more of a supply one. The silicon needed for chips (of all kinds, not just GPU) is scarce these past 2 years due to Covid and other China-related stuff (I hate politics, so I will just not elaborate more).
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 06:03:34 (permalink)
    There will be second hand GPU's once bitcoin finally crashes to 20k or below.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 08:54:32 (permalink)
    You sound pretty certain about Bitcoin’s future. Also, Bitcoin is not mined with GPUs, so what are you really talking about?
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 09:00:28 (permalink)
    Crypto bubble will burst at some point, but I suspect prices will remain high while silicon supply is constrained into 2022.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 09:24:49 (permalink)
    Basically the silicon shortage is projected out for at least a year.
    Even if the foundries put up new buildings TODAY, it'd probably be 12-18 months before those facilities would be turning out product.
    And, even then, the cryptominers are still going to be looking for best-bang-for-buck in GPUs as long as they can.

    So we're probably looking at late 2022 to mid 2023.

    Yes, it MAJORLY bites crank.

    But there's jack-squat anyone can realistically do about it.


     
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 09:29:59 (permalink)
    Not anytime soon... crypto bubble may pop, but as soon as prices come back to MSRP, miners will start buying again... and consumer GPU demand is still high.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 09:30:12 (permalink)
    Until supply increases really... Mining isn't all of the issue. Other industries like cars, etc are also facing major shortages which have nothing to do with mining. Mining does make it extra hard on GPUs, but the issue would still be present without it - just less pronounced.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 10:07:28 (permalink)
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    Crypto is not the biggest problem. Supply is lacking bad. In 21Q4b-22Q1 should open new silicon factories in the US. So until then, it's just a waiting game.


    Yea there's a confluence of issues on both the demand and supply side of things. It'll likely get better slowly over time.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 10:17:46 (permalink)
    Yeah it's ether not btc
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 11:25:50 (permalink)
    So this is more or less a Samsung problem? As they are the ones who manufacture the chips?
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 11:43:05 (permalink)
    It's probably more on the demand side  than supply at this point I'd wager... we do put a lot more chips in... well, everything. From phones to  cars to fridges and toasters. I'm sure 'rona had an effect but not THIS long lasting, the factories werent shut down for that long.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 12:09:08 (permalink)
    The demand was steady and scaling upwards in a pretty manageable rate the last years. What changed dramatically as of lately is the supply.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 12:12:16 (permalink)
    It's not about demand. The supply chain is stuck so bad. Even before covid happened there was a problem already.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 12:14:31 (permalink)
    early 2022 would be my guess, but no one really knows
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 12:24:14 (permalink)
    early 2022 is way to early, if crypto is on the rise, i dont see a great future.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 12:31:21 (permalink)
    Imo prices aren't going down to msrp at least until the next gen cards drop, of course the prices will drop over the course of the year but I don't think the price drops will be as drastic as many think.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 12:33:37 (permalink)
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    Imo prices aren't going down to msrp at least until the next gen cards drop, of course the prices will drop over the course of the year but I don't think the price drops will be as drastic as many think.

    I am with ginger on this one. And also MSRP of the new cards will be a lot more than what MSRP used to be. Things have changed permanently…
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 16:41:23 (permalink)
    Just an unfounded guess: it will be well into 2022(Q4) before you can go to a product page and leisurely purchase a GPU of your choice.
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 17:42:49 (permalink)
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    When do you think the GPU demand will decrease and there will be enough supply to go around? I was talking to some people saying that the next halving(Crypto) will be when the market returns to normal. What do you think?


    We can dream. But it's doubtful, mining is just a small part of a (by now) much larger problem industry-wide, the pandemic, and finally I think the "cumulative effect" of a LOT of consumers needing to upgrade after already having put it off previous years due to the shortages that already existed even back then, before the pandemic.

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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/07 18:00:34 (permalink)
    A man can hope...
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    Re: When will the GPU demand decrease? 2021/06/08 06:33:53 (permalink)
    I really wish it will change, my fear is that manufacturers, distributors, retailers, etc will see this market as an opportunity to always make money selling items at 3 or 4 times the msrp. It that is the case, maybe gpu demand goes down just because it is unsustainable to pay those prices
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