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What do you think? Do EVGA's moderators have the right to edit your perfectly acceptable, TOS-abiding post and title in any way the moderator finds acceptable without your permission?

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I'll definitely change it [back] if the op has a problem with it.

I have a problem with it. Other people have a problem with it. The OP is long gone. That is the worst stance you could take. Just because the author has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter doesn't mean that this community has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter. Quit making excuses. You never had permission to edit the OP in the first place. It is not a matter of discussion. You have exceeded the bounds of your role far beyond what anyone here would consider acceptable. If you quit looking it as a means to an end and start looking at it at face value, you altered someone's perfectly legitimate post with the sole intent of disseminating your view in a way no other person on this forum is able. It is an egregious abuse of power which no one should stand for. If the solution you present is so important to you, split your view from the OP, create a new thread, and sticky it. That's what EVGA employees and responsible representatives of EVGA do.


Without warning, a moderator apparently has the power to change anything they want, for any reason they find desirable, and you, the author, must stumble upon their edit, catch them red-handed, and explicitly request that they remove their opinion from your post/title.

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 10:10:13 (permalink)
    Frankly, with no rancor to any moderator, I don't think they should be changing anything that isn't against the TOS...
     
    if it's ok according to eVGA's TOS, then leave it alone.
     
     

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 10:14:33 (permalink)
    Link to the thread?
     
    EDIT: I assume this is it?
     
    https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2826891
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 10:30:40 (permalink)
    I agree that topics and posts should never be edited unless expressly against the terms of service. Editing titles and posts should be done only according to the terms of service.

    If a solution has been provided, Moderators can select “helpful” or “best answer” in a thread if the OP is no longer available. Changing the original thread or title to show [solved], and such, should be handled by the OP, or an EVGA employee if it is completely necessary.

    Of course, EVGA may make an exception to this if need be, but I would think they would inform the masses if such a change should be taking place. Unfortunately, EVGA hasn't been too great at providing updates to the masses when it comes to changes.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 10:46:15 (permalink)
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    I agree that topics and posts should never be edited unless expressly against the terms of service. Editing titles and posts should be done only according to the terms of service.

    If a solution has been provided, Moderators can select “helpful” or “best answer” in a thread if the OP is no longer available. Changing the original thread or title to show [solved], and such, should be handled by the OP, or an EVGA employee if it is completely necessary.

    Of course, EVGA may make an exception to this if need be, but I would think they would inform the masses if such a change should be taking place. Unfortunately, EVGA hasn't been too great at providing updates to the masses when it comes to changes.

    I disagree. I will edit titles of posts if there is for example a massive misspelled word or several words that makes the title not understood. However I never edit the title to change the meaning unless it is my own post. I'm not going to tell everyone that I corrected a few misspelled words in the title.
     
    Posts are normally edited to comply with the EVGA terms of service, such as when someone is cursing/swearing. However if EVGA management requests a specific post be edited then we will also do it. We are not obligated to inform the forum members that an EVGA management representative or EVGA tech wants a post edited or cleaned up.

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 10:52:13 (permalink)
    If anyone has a rant against a mod changing a post or title then you're welcome to ask the mod why the change was made. If you feel uncertain about doing this you may always ask another mod to give the thread a second opinion. Please include the URL of the post and thread in question.

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:01:28 (permalink)
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    I agree that topics and posts should never be edited unless expressly against the terms of service. Editing titles and posts should be done only according to the terms of service.

    If a solution has been provided, Moderators can select “helpful” or “best answer” in a thread if the OP is no longer available. Changing the original thread or title to show [solved], and such, should be handled by the OP, or an EVGA employee if it is completely necessary.

    Of course, EVGA may make an exception to this if need be, but I would think they would inform the masses if such a change should be taking place. Unfortunately, EVGA hasn't been too great at providing updates to the masses when it comes to changes.

    ... However I never edit the title to change the meaning unless it is my own post. ...

    In this case, the moderator changed the post title in order to change the meaning and to convey an opinion without any verification that the opinion and meaning was shared by the author. It was done for the sole purpose of conveying the moderator's message. It was an abuse of power because it let the moderator communicate his message in a way which trumps all other messages in a very popular 30+ page thread, utilizing tools no other forum member has available to them. The moderator thinks to himself, 'hijack a 30+ page thread? no problem! change the title, add text and links... done'
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2018/06/12 11:05:11
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:05:34 (permalink)
    I wouldn't mind it if a moderator changed spelling to what it's supposed to be ...changing meaning is a different story....
     
    Again, if it doesn't break the TOS, it should be left alone....that's my opinion... *shrug*
     

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:07:53 (permalink)
    rjohnson11
    If anyone has a rant against a mod changing a post or title then you're welcome to ask the mod why the change was made. If you feel uncertain about doing this you may always ask another mod to give the thread a second opinion. Please include the URL of the post and thread in question.

    I already did. Conveniently, the moderator in question responded and closed the discussion. I re-opened the discussion, an EVGA employee intervened, and the EVGA employee decided, cowardly, to save face and side with the moderator because it would hurt EVGA's image less than the alternative. Good job EVGA.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:09:58 (permalink)
    Can you list the post URL and thread URL please?

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:16:02 (permalink)
    Can you correct me if I'm wrong? Sajin updated the thread to include a now-known fix that corrects the issue the thread was making light of, Is that not a good thing? Or did I miss the point?

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:17:55 (permalink)
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    Can you correct me if I'm wrong? Sajin updated the thread to include a now-known fix that corrects the issue the thread was making light of, Is that not a good thing? Or did I miss the point?



    I was wondering what this pertained to....I wasn't privy to which thread had been altered.

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:20:03 (permalink)
    rjohnson11
    Can you list the post URL and thread URL please?

    It's the giant 30+ page thread in the 10 series video card section which was marked by a moderator as "fixed". Or, you could refer to the "report" I sent yesterday. https://forums.evga.com/ticket.aspx?rid=9294

    For comparison, if I were a moderator, and a user came here to report an issue, I wouldn't alter the user's post to paste in a link to a potential solution I endorsed and then change the user's title to say that the "fix" I provided fixed the user's problem. I think that the user should decide whether or not the proposed solution solved their problem and the user should report such information if they are so inclined.

    The specific thread in question is of little importance. That only leads to justifications. The question is, on principle, do you support such actions?
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2018/06/12 11:30:14
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:24:21 (permalink)
    RushXTC
    Can you correct me if I'm wrong? Sajin updated the thread to include a now-known fix that corrects the issue the thread was making light of, Is that not a good thing? Or did I miss the point?

    1) The "now-known fix" is an unofficial hack which 1) some users report does not work, and 2) the author of the thread never confirmed that it worked for them.
    2) That is using logic to justify bad actions because the end justifies the means. Do you appreciate such abuse potentially directed at any one of your conversations solely at the discretion of the moderator who makes such justification?
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:49:56 (permalink)
    Just to let everyone know... 
     
    I received a private message from the op, and he said he was fine with the changes I made, and would like to keep the op the way it is.
     
    RushXTC
    Can you correct me if I'm wrong? Sajin updated the thread to include a now-known fix that corrects the issue the thread was making light of, Is that not a good thing? Or did I miss the point?


    Exactly.
     
    ty_ger07
    1) The "now-known fix" is an unofficial hack which 1) some users report does not work, and 2) the author of the thread never confirmed that it worked for them.

    Only owcraftsman has said it won't work for him as he can't get the flash to work. Might just be a problem with him typing in the nvflash commands incorrectly. I'm trying to assist him right now in the thread.
     


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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 11:57:17 (permalink)
    Sajin
    I received a private message from the op, and he said he was fine with the changes I made, and would like to keep the op the way it is.

    Months later? Oh, congratulations. Who cares?

    I do not support this sort of moderator abuse. You already showed your true colors. Just because it fortunately worked out in your favor doesn't make it acceptable practice.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2018/06/12 12:08:20
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 12:14:18 (permalink)
    If the OP approves the change, them it doesnt matter what anyone elses opinion is. Months later? Yeah, its conpletely possible, as the OP was logged in 3 hours ago, as can be seen by accessing the OP’s profile.

    If the OP does not approve the change, then there is an issue.

    If the OP does not have the appropriate knowledge, then they may wish to have someone else, a moderator in this situation, make the edit since they know how to work the issue. Again, as long as the OP gives the thumbs up, it isn't anyone else’s problem to worry about it. The OP’s approval makes it a complete closed debate.

    You can also send the OP a PM yourself to ask if he approved of the change. There is no harm in asking.

    If the OP does not approve of a change, then that is when there is a problem.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 14:58:27 (permalink)
    The goal of these forums is to help the community.  Our moderators are members of the community who volunteer and donate their own free time to help the community. 
     
    Although I completely understand the concern here,  the thread was started by another member, that post belongs to that member.  That OP approved and is ok with the change, thus the issue is resolved along with making it a lot easier to find a potential solution for main topic of the thread.  
     
     
     
     


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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 15:22:31 (permalink)
    Do whatever you want. Betray users' trust. Get permission later. Great job!
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 19:11:43 (permalink)
     

     

     
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/12 22:46:08 (permalink)
    EVGA Forums - Terms and Conditions of Use

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/13 07:23:56 (permalink)
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    EVGA reserves the right to edit, reprint, distribute, or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.



    I assume that you are saying that you are fine with this sort of action? Ok, that makes 3 who are not fine with this sort of action, 1 that is fine with this sort of action, and a bunch of other immeasurable chatter.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/13 08:10:43 (permalink)
    Wonder why member activity has been dropping off the last couple of years? 
     
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/13 08:13:33 (permalink)
    Any other forum that marks [solved] on their threads solves it for the OP - and won't necessarily fix it for "everyone." If that was the case, and you were looking at it in a literal sense, absolutely nothing would be 'solved'.
     
    Edit: I have zero problems with what the moderators are doing. It makes perfect sense.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/13 18:20:15 (permalink)
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    I assume that you are saying that you are fine with this sort of action? Ok, that makes 3 who are not fine with this sort of action, 1 that is fine with this sort of action, and a bunch of other immeasurable chatter.


    And thousands that dont read the terms of service, and many that dont understand what they agree to when they post. If you dont agree with the rules, you have a choice to make. Complaining about rules you agree to, whether you meant to or no, is just blowing off steam in the end.

    Maybe submit a request to the suggestion box for an update to the terms of service.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/13 18:37:34 (permalink)
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    What do you think? Do EVGA's moderators have the right to edit your perfectly acceptable, TOS-abiding post and title in any way the moderator finds acceptable without your permission?

    Ty_Ger07
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    I'll definitely change it [back] if the op has a problem with it.

    I have a problem with it. Other people have a problem with it. The OP is long gone. That is the worst stance you could take. Just because the author has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter doesn't mean that this community has no voice, opinion, or stake in the matter. Quit making excuses. You never had permission to edit the OP in the first place. It is not a matter of discussion. You have exceeded the bounds of your role far beyond what anyone here would consider acceptable. If you quit looking it as a means to an end and start looking at it at face value, you altered someone's perfectly legitimate post with the sole intent of disseminating your view in a way no other person on this forum is able. It is an egregious abuse of power which no one should stand for. If the solution you present is so important to you, split your view from the OP, create a new thread, and sticky it. That's what EVGA employees and responsible representatives of EVGA do.


    Without warning, a moderator apparently has the power to change anything they want, for any reason they find desirable, and you, the author, must stumble upon their edit, catch them red-handed, and explicitly request that they remove their opinion from your post/title.

    Sick!

    Tyger07, Did you get a response after this spot on reply?   I guess not.
     
    I don't support the idea of altering someone's post, specially if the OP is long gone. It shows a lack of respect, moderator or not, to do that
    My question is: did the alteration help the community in any way? because the way i see it, the post alone did a marvelous job in assisting the community long time ago before the alteration/modification was made, don't you think?

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/14 22:23:13 (permalink)
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    I assume that you are saying that you are fine with this sort of action? Ok, that makes 3 who are not fine with this sort of action, 1 that is fine with this sort of action, and a bunch of other immeasurable chatter.


    Don't assume.

    I was simply posting an often overlooked part of the Terms and Conditions that are included in almost every forum. Forums typically aren't a populace democracy, especially ones that are hosted by a business.

    In that sense I am fine with it because I know what I agree to posting here.

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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/14 22:34:33 (permalink)
    I would only make a change based on fixing an issue with the post. If I ever make a change I will inform the poster unless it’s clear the post is against the TOS.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/15 11:03:56 (permalink)
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    ......That's pretty stupid.
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    Re: What do you think? Moderator abuse? ("fixed") 2018/06/15 12:09:43 (permalink)
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    ......That's pretty stupid.


    It's a private forum so EVGA can do what they believe is right. Although we do respect your opinion as well.

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