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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 09:26:35 (permalink)

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I am running an AIO, still hitting 72+ with max fan speed. 



Guess OP would be happy with 8C down. 


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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 09:27:39 (permalink)
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There’s one finger gap between the cpu heatsink and the gpu. So plenty more space than 1mm :)

Ah, the original picture duped me into thinking it was a lot closer. Noctuas are rather large so I was spit balling the gap number. Yes, please try dropping down the second slot if you can. 
 
What case are you using? What about PSU? 


I think it was the angle of the photo that made it appear like there was minimal gap between the CPU cooler and gpu.

I’m using Phanteks Evolv Matx case. I’ve removed the front cover (only dust filter on), and covered up the top half of the case. No other case mods.

I’m running the Asus Rog Thor 850w psu.

Will test running the gpu on the second pci slot this afternoon and report back.


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 09:58:09 (permalink)
In my case, I can run fans at max speed and drop temps to 67c when benching so case exhaust in my setup is quite good.

While my suggestion is an aio, you could go a bit cheaper and get a vertical mount for the gpu. Less hassle than dealing with a cpu cooler and easily reversible. This would allow the heat to come off the backplate better.
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 10:56:26 (permalink)
I been concerned a bit about lack of reviews but the early results show that the ICX3 cooler used on these cards is simply not as good as the other AIB partners solutions.

I have seen couple of people benchmarking coupe of games and the card hitting 79-80c. Yes we all have seen the out of box TUF results and that card is at 63c , GamerNexus reviewed the gigabyte eagle (their most basic) and that was also 62c without changing anything. It seems that these evga cards will be in the mid to high 70s with this cooler.

I'm going to get my email hopefully next week and yes I'm making my purchase because if I want a card soon this is the only way which I applaud evga for but I been using their Hybrid cards since the 980 so I'm hoping I can step up from a XC3 3080 to the hybrid 3080.
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 12:24:42 (permalink)
Not seeing a noticeable change when moving my GPU down to the second PCI slot. Running at "aggressive" fan curve lowers my temps, but the fans are literally running at 90%. I can hear the fans through my headphones on that's set at  80 volume. -_- 

Am I expected to run with 90% fan speed when gaming to obtain reasonable temperatures?

Can anyone with the 3090 ftw3 comment if the 3 pci slot heatsink has better temperatures while maintaining a reasonable fan speed? I signed up for the step-up program and am really hoping the ftw3 will run cooler. Does anyone know what the current wait time is to step-up to the ftw3?
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 13:25:04 (permalink)
Did a little more digging and found I'm not the only person complaining about temperatures. Found these reviews on Newegg. I'm really hoping I can step-up to the ftw3 ultra model soon. I submitted a step-up, but with the demand of the current 3090's, I'm afraid I'm not going to get one anytime soon...

(https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-24g-p5-3975-kr/p/N82E16814487524?Description=evga%203090&cm_re=evga_3090-_-14-487-524-_-Product&quicklink=true)

Cons: -Expensive -Cooler on the EVGA model may not be as good as founders.
Cons: - The cooler is so small that if you run it on auto the card runs at 80c or higher. The 3090 makes way too much power for this cooler - Overclock potential lost due to cooler unless you want to run your fans locked 100%. - EVGA customer service confirmed this is normal and the card should run 80c even though other brands are running 60-70c.
Cons: The cooler on this card is not nearly as efficient as some of the other partner cards or the FE. Even with undervolting and a custom fan curve, this thing is LOUD. Disappointed.


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 13:41:26 (permalink)
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Did a little more digging and found I'm not the only person complaining about temperatures. Found these reviews on Newegg. I'm really hoping I can step-up to the ftw3 ultra model soon. I submitted a step-up, but with the demand of the current 3090's, I'm afraid I'm not going to get one anytime soon...

(https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-24g-p5-3975-kr/p/N82E16814487524?Description=evga%203090&cm_re=evga_3090-_-14-487-524-_-Product&quicklink=true)

Cons: -Expensive -Cooler on the EVGA model may not be as good as founders.
Cons: - The cooler is so small that if you run it on auto the card runs at 80c or higher. The 3090 makes way too much power for this cooler - Overclock potential lost due to cooler unless you want to run your fans locked 100%. - EVGA customer service confirmed this is normal and the card should run 80c even though other brands are running 60-70c.
Cons: The cooler on this card is not nearly as efficient as some of the other partner cards or the FE. Even with undervolting and a custom fan curve, this thing is LOUD. Disappointed.


I'm not sure why you would expect the FTW3 to run cooler. I have a FTW3 3080. the heat is being produced you have 2 choices: Leave it in the case or take the heat out of case. It has to go somewhere. 
400W of energy have to convert to something ...
I dont have your fan problem as far as noise. Even with the card fan at 90% I can't hear it with my headphones. I think something is off with game optimization in the sense that our cards should not be running at 90% and produce so much heat. 
Also, it seems most graphic card are in that temp range 60-80. Im not sure a 10c difference would be noticeable. 
 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 13:47:21 (permalink)
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I'm not sure why you would expect the FTW3 to run cooler. I have a FTW3 3080. the heat is being produced you have 2 choices: Leave it in the case or take the heat out of case. It has to go somewhere. 
400W of energy have to convert to something ...
I dont have your fan problem as far as noise. Even with the card fan at 90% I can't hear it with my headphones. I think something is off with game optimization in the sense that our cards should not be running at 90% and produce so much heat. 
Also, it seems most graphic card are in that temp range 60-80. Im not sure a 10c difference would be noticeable. 
 


I'm thinking the larger cooler on the 3090 ftw3 will have better temperatures. The AIBs such as the Asus Tuf and Founder's Edition that are able to maintain lower temps have much larger heatsinks. Why do you think having a larger heatsink wouldn't help dissipate the heat faster?





 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 13:48:27 (permalink)
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I'm not sure why you would expect the FTW3 to run cooler. I have a FTW3 3080. the heat is being produced you have 2 choices: Leave it in the case or take the heat out of case. It has to go somewhere. 
400W of energy have to convert to something ...
I dont have your fan problem as far as noise. Even with the card fan at 90% I can't hear it with my headphones. I think something is off with game optimization in the sense that our cards should not be running at 90% and produce so much heat. 
Also, it seems most graphic card are in that temp range 60-80. Im not sure a 10c difference would be noticeable. 
 


I'm thinking the larger cooler on the 3090 ftw3 will have better temperatures. The AIBs such as the Asus Tuf and Founder's Edition that are able to maintain lower temps have much larger heatsinks. Why do you think having a larger heatsink wouldn't help dissipate the heat faster?





I understand but dont the FTW3 run faster/OC from factory?
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 13:52:49 (permalink)
Same reason why i wc my ftw3 2080ti.....noise and temps were awful. 80+c
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/10 13:53:12 (permalink)
 
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I'm not sure why you would expect the FTW3 to run cooler. I have a FTW3 3080. the heat is being produced you have 2 choices: Leave it in the case or take the heat out of case. It has to go somewhere. 
400W of energy have to convert to something ...
I dont have your fan problem as far as noise. Even with the card fan at 90% I can't hear it with my headphones. I think something is off with game optimization in the sense that our cards should not be running at 90% and produce so much heat. 
Also, it seems most graphic card are in that temp range 60-80. Im not sure a 10c difference would be noticeable. 
 


I'm thinking the larger cooler on the 3090 ftw3 will have better temperatures. The AIBs such as the Asus Tuf and Founder's Edition that are able to maintain lower temps have much larger heatsinks. Why do you think having a larger heatsink wouldn't help dissipate the heat faster?


I understand but dont the FTW3 run faster/OC from factory?



Slightly OC'd, but the heatsink appears to be at least 33% larger. That's a massive difference. 
I found this on EVGA Jacob's twitter. He's saying there's a 10-15 degree difference from xc3 to ftw3... 

Link here:
https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/1314346105979641856












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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/11 23:18:05 (permalink)

I ended up adding a third 120mm intake fan into my case (in the psu shroud). There’s a number of holes in the psu shroud that allow the air back up under the gpu. The fan alone made a 1-2 degrees c difference.

That combined with running my gpu fans at 80% allows me to get the gpu down to 74 degrees c on load.

At 100% gpu fan speed, the gpu is down to 70 degrees c.

Not ideal, but is liveable until I step up to the ftw3 ultra
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/12 08:19:50 (permalink)
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I ended up adding a third 120mm intake fan into my case (in the psu shroud). There’s a number of holes in the psu shroud that allow the air back up under the gpu. The fan alone made a 1-2 degrees c difference.

That combined with running my gpu fans at 80% allows me to get the gpu down to 74 degrees c on load.

At 100% gpu fan speed, the gpu is down to 70 degrees c.

Not ideal, but is liveable until I step up to the ftw3 ultra

You have the intake fans right there by your gpu and fan at 100% speed, at least in my book 70C its a bit high, you should be getting that temp with half the fan speed
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/12 08:43:19 (permalink)
My XC3 runs 80-82c during longer gaming sessions, is this safe in the long run?

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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/12 08:53:17 (permalink)
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My XC3 runs 80-82c during longer gaming sessions, is this safe in the long run?



What I've noticed is that my GPU usually gets to temp within 10 minutes of gaming and stays there during the entirety of my gaming session. How long is it taking for your temps to get up to 80-82 degrees?

80 degrees c + in my book is not acceptable in my books. 
How's your case setup and fan curve on the GPU? 


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/12 08:55:22 (permalink)
Those temperatures on a long run will damage your card no doubt. I would expect 80-83 in blower older style cards but well ventilated case and with ACX I would think high 70C is what I would be OK with 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/12 09:13:55 (permalink)
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My XC3 runs 80-82c during longer gaming sessions, is this safe in the long run?



What I've noticed is that my GPU usually gets to temp within 10 minutes of gaming and stays there during the entirety of my gaming session. How long is it taking for your temps to get up to 80-82 degrees?

80 degrees c + in my book is not acceptable in my books. 
How's your case setup and fan curve on the GPU? 


yea its ramps up to 80c after about 10mins like you said, I get these these temps with 2 front intake and 2 top exhaust 140mm silent wing 3s in my Fractal Define Compact. With all the panels off(top, front and both sides) its almost as open as a test bench and it only drops it about 3-4c.

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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/13 22:11:16 (permalink)
Welp.. here's two GPU's using my XC3 and my friend's 3090 Founder's Edition.
Tested with 3dmark Time Spy. Same case, same components, only changed GPUs.
For both tests, the GPU fans were set to 100%. 

The XC3 was running at an average temperature of 88 degrees c. The average clock and memory clock was running very low, probably due to the high temps. The average temp of the 3090 Founder's edition was 52 degrees c... a 36 degrees C difference. Do I have a bad card?

Can someone with a xc3 download 3dMark Demo from Steam and run the Time Spy test? Curious to know what other people's temps are...




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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/13 22:20:18 (permalink)
I just got my 3090 FE in today. I'm very surprised I got a steady 2115-2130mhz clock at around 60c and it's super stable. I'm still in line to get a FTW3 Ultra when it's my turn and i'll send this one to my office, but this FE card really does shine!
 
Here are some screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/snVXZfw
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/13 22:20:59 (permalink)
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Welp.. here's two GPU's using my XC3 and my friend's 3090 Founder's Edition.
Tested with 3dmark Time Spy. Same case, same components, only changed GPUs.
For both tests, the GPU fans were set to 100%. 

The XC3 was running at an average temperature of 88 degrees c. The average clock and memory clock was running very low, probably due to the high temps. The average temp of the 3090 Founder's edition was 52 degrees c... a 36 degrees C difference. Do I have a bad card?

Can someone with a xc3 download 3dMark Demo from Steam and run the Time Spy test? Curious to know what other people's temps are...

[snip]




 
That temperature/clocks on your XC3 does point to something being wrong, yes. It's difficult to say with certainty if its a hardware issue from the other side of the monitor, but something is definitely amiss.


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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/14 14:00:03 (permalink)
Thanks. I submitted a case with EVGA. Hoping they can take a look at this. 


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/14 14:12:31 (permalink)
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I just got my 3090 FE in today. I'm very surprised I got a steady 2115-2130mhz clock at around 60c and it's super stable. I'm still in line to get a FTW3 Ultra when it's my turn and i'll send this one to my office, but this FE card really does shine!
 
Here are some screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/snVXZfw


Yeah my 3080 FE runs at about 65-69c during long gaming sessions...
FE is turning out to be a nice design!

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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 09:54:19 (permalink)
I reached out to EVGA and they agree my temps are abnormally high. They suggested changing the thermal paste.
Does anyone have steps on how I can do this? (I replied to EVGA support, but they usually respond in 1-2 days). Hoping to get a faster answer here.


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:12:14 (permalink)
You shouldnt have to do that on your own, especially if you have to ask how. And I'm pretty sure eVGA puts a tamper sticker now that will let them know that you opened the card up for warranty purposes.
 
I can't find a video of a 3090 teardown, but here's someone doing a 3080: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqPBk1K5p3A


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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:25:29 (permalink)
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You shouldnt have to do that on your own, especially if you have to ask how. And I'm pretty sure eVGA puts a tamper sticker now that will let them know that you opened the card up for warranty purposes.
 
I can't find a video of a 3090 teardown, but here's someone doing a 3080: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqPBk1K5p3A



No offence, but saying "you shouldn't do it on your own if you have to ask how" is just horrible advice. If we had that mentality, we'd never learn how to do anything new. We learn and grow by asking questions...
 
I have no problem following instructions. I've built a sprinkler system, changed camshafts on a car, etc.. with no previous knowledge other than following instructions from youtube and google. I'd rather have instructions then figure it out on the fly when touching a ~$2000 GPU. EVGA in their support ticket also said it will not void my warranty if I want to do this.

Thanks for the video. Will take a look at this as it's probably very similar.


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:29:49 (permalink)
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You shouldnt have to do that on your own, especially if you have to ask how. And I'm pretty sure eVGA puts a tamper sticker now that will let them know that you opened the card up for warranty purposes.
 
I can't find a video of a 3090 teardown, but here's someone doing a 3080: 



Not sure if you are in the United States but if you are, those tamper stickers are meaningless and usually illegal under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.

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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:30:15 (permalink)
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No offence, but saying "you shouldn't do it on your own if you have to ask how" is just horrible advice. If we had that mentality, we'd never learn how to do anything new. We learn and grow by asking questions...

I have no problem following instructions. I've built a sprinkler system, changed camshafts on a car, etc.. with no previous knowledge other than following instructions from youtube and google. I'd rather have instructions then figure it out on the fly when touching a ~$2000 GPU. EVGA in their support ticket also said it will not void my warranty if I want to do this.

Thanks for the video. Will take a look at this as it's probably very similar.


You're totally right. I didn't mean any offense, I meant more along the lines that it was weird for eVGA to say "fix it yourself".


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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:33:07 (permalink)
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You shouldnt have to do that on your own, especially if you have to ask how. And I'm pretty sure eVGA puts a tamper sticker now that will let them know that you opened the card up for warranty purposes.
 
I can't find a video of a 3090 teardown, but here's someone doing a 3080: 



No offence, but saying "you shouldn't do it on your own if you have to ask how" is just horrible advice. If we had that mentality, we'd never learn how to do anything new. We learn and grow by asking questions...

I have no problem following instructions. I've built a sprinkler system, changed camshafts on a car, etc.. with no previous knowledge other than following instructions from youtube and google. I'd rather have instructions then figure it out on the fly when touching a ~$2000 GPU. EVGA in their support ticket also said it will not void my warranty if I want to do this.

Thanks for the video. Will take a look at this as it's probably very similar.





Brando,
 
Read his comment again.  "You shouldnt have to do that on your own, especially if you have to ask how."  In other words, EVGA should be offering to fix it for you.

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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:37:03 (permalink)
Understood @Celeras. I found that also strange that I'd need to do this on a brand new GPU. At this point, I'm really convinced that this 2 PCI slot heatsink design isn't enough cooling for the 3090.

I was really hoping they'd allow me to step up to the ftw3 ultra sooner considering the issues I'm seeing, but I'll have to wait with no known ETA on when this might happen.
I've since listed my xc3 for sale on the used market and hoping to trade to a FE or Asus.  I've always bought and recommended EVGA for their good customer support, but this issue has left a sour taste in my mouth.


 
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Re: Very disappointed with the temperatures on my 3090 XC3 2020/10/15 10:46:56 (permalink)
Maybe someone didn't sloppy job with the thermal paste at the factory? Lol
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