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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 15:26:12
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LLOYD1985 Can anyone tell me the difference between Master and Slave BIOS on the GTX 1080 FTW please. I'm currently on the Master BIOS but I don't know which BIOS is best for me. A post before said the voltage is increased and fans are increased with the Slave BIOS, can anyone explain what that means exactly. Fan noise isn't an issue for me as my case has sound proofing and it's very quiet even with the GPU fans at 100%.
I know for a fact the secondary bios raises the Power target from 120% to 130%. Idk about the voltage or fan curve.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 15:46:51
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I apologies for my lack of kwnoledge but ,why is two (primary and secondary) Bios updates on my GPU GTX 1070 (08G-P4-6274-KR) ? What its the update that i should pick? Sorry for my bad english, i can understand 90% of the language but only can write at 10 or less % :( any help is too much apreciate
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 15:53:13
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gara024 I applied for the thermal pads and got an email for the thermal pad mod request, waiting on the request verified email. Also you seem to imply that the fans working harder means something bad,I see it as lower temps. On my older classifieds,I had them both on 100% fan speed out of the box till i got this card.
nothing bad, just trying to establish if i should apply this new bios, i dont feel confident neither do I want to do something wrong and ruin both of my cards, right now im running my fans manually at 50% and at 70% whilst gaming so the cards are cool. I saw that you tube video where someones evga 1080 FTW goes up in flames, literally, the last thing i want is for my cards to go in flames, took me over a year to save up for these components, i usually go to OCUK and there are many people complaining that EVGA effed up during manufacturing ect ect so I want to do the safest thing
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 15:54:07
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Dannoobmx I apologies for my lack of kwnoledge but ,why is two (primary and secondary) Bios updates on my GPU GTX 1070 (08G-P4-6274-KR) ? What its the update that i should pick? Sorry for my bad english, i can understand 90% of the language but only can write at 10 or less % :( any help is too much apreciate
There is a physical switch located on your card which either selects the primary or secondary bios. (By default it should be on Primary). For example the secondary bios offers an increased power target +10% over the primary.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:02:28
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gara024 I applied for the thermal pads and got an email for the thermal pad mod request, waiting on the request verified email. Also you seem to imply that the fans working harder means something bad,I see it as lower temps. On my older classifieds,I had them both on 100% fan speed out of the box till i got this card.
nothing bad, just trying to establish if i should apply this new bios, i dont feel confident neither do I want to do something wrong and ruin both of my cards, right now im running my fans manually at 50% and at 70% whilst gaming so the cards are cool. I saw that you tube video where someones evga 1080 FTW goes up in flames, literally, the last thing i want is for my cards to go in flames, took me over a year to save up for these components, i usually go to OCUK and there are many people complaining that EVGA effed up during manufacturing ect ect so I want to do the safest thing
That flames one is a one off as best we can tell right now. Some bad component not relayed to the heat issue. Both bios files increase fan speed and eliminate zero fan at low temps. Slave bios already had no zero fan speed and higher voltage limit.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:03:11
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nothing bad, just trying to establish if i should apply this new bios, i dont feel confident neither do I want to do something wrong and ruin both of my cards, right now im running my fans manually at 50% and at 70% whilst gaming so the cards are cool. I saw that you tube video where someones evga 1080 FTW goes up in flames, literally, the last thing i want is for my cards to go in flames, took me over a year to save up for these components, i usually go to OCUK and there are many people complaining that EVGA effed up during manufacturing ect ect so I want to do the safest thing People are really overreacting to this whole deal. MAYBE if you have a E xtremely hot room with R eally bad case air flow running a heavy benchmark program something MIGHT happen. Even If something does happen Evga's warranty and customer support is the best I have ever dealt with.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:12:32
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gara024
hobib_ali
nothing bad, just trying to establish if i should apply this new bios, i dont feel confident neither do I want to do something wrong and ruin both of my cards, right now im running my fans manually at 50% and at 70% whilst gaming so the cards are cool. I saw that you tube video where someones evga 1080 FTW goes up in flames, literally, the last thing i want is for my cards to go in flames, took me over a year to save up for these components, i usually go to OCUK and there are many people complaining that EVGA effed up during manufacturing ect ect so I want to do the safest thing
People are really overreacting to this whole deal. MAYBE if you have a E xtremely hot room with R eally bad case air flow running a heavy benchmark program something MIGHT happen. Even If something does happen Evga's warranty and customer support is the best I have ever dealt with. I don't know about "overreacting". When people buy a $700 graphics card they expect premium quality. When it was discovered EVGA left off thermal pads, which directly contributed to the overheating issue, it makes people question whether or not what they paid for was worth it. Personally, I ended up returning both my EVGA 1080 FTW cards for a full refund simply because the resale value on these cards just went down significantly. It had nothing to do with whether or not the EVGA fix would work, but more so why did they let it happen to begin with. Their other cards in the past had thermal pads; however, EVGA decided against them this time. Pure speculation, but I bet they thought it would save them a few dollars. Now they are paying that price exponentially both monetarily and by having their brand tarnished.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:20:24
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First of all IF evga didn't actually care they wouldn't be offering multiple fixes to a problem that is being so blown up by people. Do you know hot the vrams actually have to get before they fail? They provided a bios update + are giving free thermal pads to those who feel they are needed. If you actually look they say they are optional. Evga has said it was an oversight and the ceo pretty much said it was our bad. If you don't like you evga that's fine no one is forcing you to use there products.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:23:32
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When can i get the thermopads
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:24:40
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:34:35
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ipkha That flames one is a one off as best we can tell right now. Some bad component not relayed to the heat issue. Both bios files increase fan speed and eliminate zero fan at low temps. Slave bios already had no zero fan speed and higher voltage limit.
I have tested the secondary 1070 FTW BIOS and it reduced the fan speed from idling at 1,000 RPM to idling at 500 RPM. It also appears to reduce the fan speeds slightly at load (tested to around 60 - 65 C). Another user who posted above noticed the same thing with the new secondary 1070 FTW BIOS. I have reverted to the previous secondary BIOS and am trying to find more information about whether this was what EVGA intended. Has anybody else tested this?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:37:21
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gara024 First of all IF evga didn't actually care they wouldn't be offering multiple fixes to a problem that is being so blown up by people. Do you know hot the vrams actually have to get before they fail? They provided a bios update + are giving free thermal pads to those who feel they are needed. If you actually look they say they are optional. Evga has said it was an oversight and the ceo pretty much said it was our bad. If you don't like you evga that's fine no one is forcing you to use there products.
I never said EVGA didn't care about their customers. I have bought their products for 15 years now. I am simply stating what happened and how I personally handled it. To answer your question...VRAM can begin failing around 125°C. In open bench tests, conducted by Tom's Hardware, they were getting 107°C - 114°C. Put that card in a case with poor ventilation and/or a CPU cooler that is putting off a lot of heat and the VRAM could easily hit 125°C. That is why EVGA wasn't comfortable with see the temps, it was cutting it too close.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:40:07
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That was a rhetorical question. Also " EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings: - On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
- However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed."
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 16:51:34
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gara024 That was a rhetorical question. Also "EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings:- On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
- However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed."
This is something that never would have happened if EVGA decided not to cut corners when it came to cooling. They could have easily released this card with proper thermal padding and the entire issue would have been presented. I think this quote, by GamersNexus, sums it up best "The ACX coolers have fallen prone to a number of design flaws over the past few years, but this one is one of the easiest to prevent". Source: --> http://www.gamersnexus.ne...mment-comment=10005906
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:05:42
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I see your point but like I agree with you that they should of put them on but like everyone is like freaking out that there card is going to die and i have yet to see actual proof of a dead card.Even an evga mod has said he has yet to rma a card that has died of this issue. I think people are just freaking out to this whole situation.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:11:47
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Are you supposed to flash both bios, or just the one? And if the case is the latter, primary or secondary? I have the GTX 1080 FTW DT card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:13:19
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gara024 I see your point but like I agree with you that they should of put them on but like everyone is like freaking out that there card is going to die and i have yet to see actual proof of a dead card.Even an evga mod has said he has yet to rma a card that has died of this issue. I think people are just freaking out to this whole situation.
I myself am not freaking out and would have happily done the mod if the return option with a full refund was not available to me; however, my plan is to sell these cards when the 1080 Ti gets released and I was afraid in a loss of resale value. EVGA has done a phenomenal job in the way they have handled this, unfortunately it something they shouldn't of even had to deal with. I would have happily kept these cards if I would have been guaranteed the opportunity to use their step-up program if/when they come out with the Ti. To me, that would have mitigated any potential negative resale risk.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:13:25
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Troyhe98
gara024 That was a rhetorical question. Also "EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings:
- On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
- However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed."
This is something that never would have happened if EVGA decided not to cut corners when it came to cooling. They could have easily released this card with proper thermal padding and the entire issue would have been presented.
I think this quote, by GamersNexus, sums it up best "The ACX coolers have fallen prone to a number of design flaws over the past few years, but this one is one of the easiest to prevent".
Source: -->http://www.gamersnexus.ne...mment-comment=10005906
ffs they're not cutting corners. DON'T. USE. FURMARK. http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2603/~/using-furmark-and-other-stress-tests-with-geforce-graphics-cards in real world gaming scenarios, you're NEVER going to hit the heat levels Furmark generates. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:16:38
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gara024 I think people are just freaking out to this whole situation.
Can´t agree more.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:21:21
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gara024 That was a rhetorical question. Also "EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings:
- On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
- However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed."
This is something that never would have happened if EVGA decided not to cut corners when it came to cooling. They could have easily released this card with proper thermal padding and the entire issue would have been presented.
I think this quote, by GamersNexus, sums it up best "The ACX coolers have fallen prone to a number of design flaws over the past few years, but this one is one of the easiest to prevent".
Source: -->http://www.gamersnexus.ne...mment-comment=10005906
ffs they're not cutting corners. DON'T. USE. FURMARK. http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2603/~/using-furmark-and-other-stress-tests-with-geforce-graphics-cards in real world gaming scenarios, you're NEVER going to hit the heat levels Furmark generates. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
Furmark aside the fact that they have added Vram pads aswell as a good few have some no or little contact on the originals shows costs cutting or Error is a factor. End of the day is a issue with the ACX 3 cooler . Yes EVGA are working to resolve it but its not Furmarks fault asuch especially when the fix keeps it cool and was as EVGA admited a oversight
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:24:17
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fightinfilipino
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gara024 That was a rhetorical question. Also "EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings:
- On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
- However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed."
This is something that never would have happened if EVGA decided not to cut corners when it came to cooling. They could have easily released this card with proper thermal padding and the entire issue would have been presented.
I think this quote, by GamersNexus, sums it up best "The ACX coolers have fallen prone to a number of design flaws over the past few years, but this one is one of the easiest to prevent".
Source: -->http://www.gamersnexus.ne...mment-comment=10005906
ffs they're not cutting corners. DON'T. USE. FURMARK. http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2603/~/using-furmark-and-other-stress-tests-with-geforce-graphics-cards in real world gaming scenarios, you're NEVER going to hit the heat levels Furmark generates. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
What? Stop saying crazy stuff. You are nobody to tell people what programs they can or can't run with their GPU. It is NOT the problem that people are running a particular program. The problem is that the GPUs don't have proper cooling, and so running high-intensity programs is particularly risky.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/07 17:24:53
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Hadens Are you supposed to flash both bios, or just the one? And if the case is the latter, primary or secondary? I have the GTX 1080 FTW DT card.
If you have 2 on your card you should flash the master (primary), off your machine and switch to the slave (secondary) and flash that one as well. After that, turn off your machine, put the card back into master and you should be good to.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 02:06:06
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Its a bit worse than just that EVGA decided to cut corners. Its a design flaw. Someone actually designed the cooling solution on this card that didn't have common sense. They covered the mosfets with the midplate? One of the hottest components on the card? Whereas Asus and MSI with way more overbuild VRM solutions, that by design run cooler due to the much higher amperage they can handle, have them actively cooled.
Its a facepalm moment and worthy of my pity to be honest, if they tried to cut corners I would be angry, but all the evidence point to project failure, quality control absence and overall management bad decisions (The one responsible for the cooler design must be fired, even if he is the CEO's nephew as it seems :P ) . Because its my firm belief that anyone with half a brain could design it better with the same or less cost.
I seriously consider dremel for the midplate to expose the mosfets to direct airflow, and attach some low profile copper heat sinks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 02:06:36
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I have now tested both the previous and the new secondary 1070 FTW BIOSes in 5 min 30 seconds of heaven. Ambient temps were 28 - 30 deg C. My HW monitoring results are below. I have included the GPU core temp, fan %, and fan tachometer columns only but can update with the rest. From my testing it appears there is no (or negligible) fan speed increase in the new secondary BIOS and in fact there appears to be a slight fan speed reduction. I have only tested to the mid 60 deg C range - I'm not comfortable testing higher. The new secondary BIOS also appears slower to ramp up the fan speeds. As previously mentioned, the idle fan RPMS has also been halved from 1,000 to 500 RPM. I don't really understand these changes and I will probably roll back to the previous BIOS. I would grateful if anyone has information to help me understand these changes to the 1070 FTW secondary BIOS since they appear to be simply a fan speed reduction and contrary to my understanding of the purpose of this update. [Edit 1: tried to add the data as JPGs because I don't know how to add it as a .txt file or as a table but they're unreadable due to the size reduction applied, I tried adding a google sheets link but the forum doesn't allow it, I don't know how best to share HW monitoring data here but if anyone can let me know how to do it I will add it] [Edit 2: to try to make the JPGs legible I have included only the start and end of the test run - cropping most of the middle] Previous 1070 FTW secondary BIOSNew (current) 1070 FTW secondary BIOS
post edited by Mencius_ - 2016/11/08 02:45:34
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 02:15:56
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delicieuxzWhat? Stop saying crazy stuff. You are nobody to tell people what programs they can or can't run with their GPU. It is NOT the problem that people are running a particular program. The problem is that the GPUs don't have proper cooling, and so running high-intensity programs is particularly risky.
You're right. What he is also omitting is that the other Brands have no specific grief against furmark, and perform pretty well under intense stress. fightinfilipino is just using an old argument thrown away by EVGA at the beginning of the Crisis for everyone to chew on...a clumsy way to reject responsibilities.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 02:48:54
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When I read you all, I have the feeling that we are telling you to not playing GTA V, BF1 or another game... We don't care about the fact to not launch this furmark, just play games FFS...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 02:54:08
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ilyama When I read you all, I have the feeling that we are telling you to not playing GTA V, BF1 or another game... We don't care about the fact to not launch this furmark, just play games FFS...
Personally i rarely play games with my cards, i do intense computing/hashing/rendering. Way more demanding than a game.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 04:29:02
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Cyricor Its a bit worse than just that EVGA decided to cut corners. Its a design flaw. Someone actually designed the cooling solution on this card that didn't have common sense. They covered the mosfets with the midplate? One of the hottest components on the card? Whereas Asus and MSI with way more overbuild VRM solutions, that by design run cooler due to the much higher amperage they can handle, have them actively cooled.
Its a facepalm moment and worthy of my pity to be honest, if they tried to cut corners I would be angry, but all the evidence point to project failure, quality control absence and overall management bad decisions (The one responsible for the cooler design must be fired, even if he is the CEO's nephew as it seems :P ) . Because its my firm belief that anyone with half a brain could design it better with the same or less cost.
I seriously consider dremel for the midplate to expose the mosfets to direct airflow, and attach some low profile copper heat sinks.
You think you are a pro, or work in a place where they make GPU's? This issue is absolutely not a project failuire. No card has been damaged due to this issue. This issue is handled proffessional by EVGA. Your post is just another attempt to put you in the spotlight and have your 2 minutes of fame. Your solution is rubbish. Why? Because the thermal pad solution and bios update works just great. There is no heat issue and people are playing games just like they would normal. The cards work just great without issues.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 04:33:00
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GFAFS
delicieuxzWhat? Stop saying crazy stuff. You are nobody to tell people what programs they can or can't run with their GPU. It is NOT the problem that people are running a particular program. The problem is that the GPUs don't have proper cooling, and so running high-intensity programs is particularly risky.
You're right. What he is also omitting is that the other Brands have no specific grief against furmark, and perform pretty well under intense stress. fightinfilipino is just using an old argument thrown away by EVGA at the beginning of the Crisis for everyone to chew on...a clumsy way to reject responsibilities.
The Furmark problem is not just EVGA, but all Nvidia cards. It's well known that Nvidia has warned against Furmark for years. Why? Because you'll never push your GPU to the limit when playing games. Don't blame it on VGA, blame it on Nvidia.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 04:45:58
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emsir The Furmark problem is not just EVGA, but all Nvidia cards. It's well known that Nvidia has warned against Furmark for years. Why? Because you'll never push your GPU to the limit when playing games. Don't blame it on VGA, blame it on Nvidia.
I'm focusing on EVGA right now, do you mind. If EVGA do not put it in his commercial/propaganda brochures and/or packages like with a big "WARNING DO NOT do this or that", the consumer have the right to assume and furmark all day long.
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