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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:27:22
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No idea about the '5 day rule', I never heard of that. But that hardly proves that I am in the employ of EVGA regardless. It was a supposition on my part.
I had a thought though, why don't you take your campaign here
These are the guys you need to complain to. You would be doing EVGA and their lawyers a favour. Well, maybe not. The last thing they need is the rantings of a crazy person to try and build their case.
Sure..., anyway i would go on onsemi if my Card wasn't branded EVGA, no doubt about that.
Why not? EVGA is a disgruntled customer just like you. OnSemi are selling an inferior product. Blame them.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:32:25
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Mc3ain
Well that is good info, but as it states their, "MAY affect device reliability". not WILL affect device reliability. we all know manufacturers instate a certain bit of padding in the tolerances.
Not trying to get involved with the argument here, just pointing out fact.
Yes indeed they used "MAY", a way to legally cover their back, normal behaviors coming from a Company.
post edited by GFAFS - 2016/11/07 07:44:08
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:34:29
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Oh so GFAFS' still trying to make replies to me after he was blocked nearly 400 posts ago or something. lol Apparently it shows it to me when someone replies to him. Good thing it was the end of the page and I only caught the first sentence of it. I made it public knowledge a few pages back I blocked you. You want to post things without my knowledge in response to my posts go ahead, but don't write them in a perspective of me reading them expecting me to respond unless it fancies you knowing I won't. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:36:16
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DSP1
Why not? EVGA is a disgruntled customer just like you.
OnSemi are selling an inferior product.
Blame them.
Well, EVGA bought from them, not me. And if i did, i would especially take care of the Onsemi specifications and cool them properly in my Product integration.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:41:05
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Change after VBIOS ONLY: 109C to 95C Change after Thermal Pad ONLY: 109C to 85CChange after BOTH: 109C to 81C darkheran I find weird the big difference (24 temps down) of temps only by thermalpads that place at backplate and on baseplate(personal opinion). I think EVGA might reconsider and design again the baseplate with acx cooler.
post edited by panaikas - 2016/11/06 11:43:42
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:43:03
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GFAFS
DSP1
Why not? EVGA is a disgruntled customer just like you.
OnSemi are selling an inferior product.
Blame them.
Well, EVGA bought from them, not me. And if i did, i would especially take care of the Onsemi specifications and cool them properly in my Product integration.
I am sure they felt that they were cooling them properly. They trusted them in the same way you trusted EVGA. And by extension you did buy from OnSemi. Take your concerns to their doorstep. EVGA share your butthurt over being deceived. Though they are probably handling it in a more mature manner.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:45:21
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panaikas
Change after VBIOS ONLY: 109C to 95C
Change after Thermal Pad ONLY: 109C to 85C
Change after BOTH: 109C to 81C
darkheran
I find weird the big difference (24 temps down) of temps only by thermal pad that place at backplate (personal opinion).
I think EVGA might reconsider and design again the baseplate with acx cooler.
Well unless we are going to start throwing around claims of manufactured data and testing results id say the tests show otherwise. But that comes down to opinion and investigations and all that. If we want to go down that alley its far beyond anybody on this forums comprehension, resources, or ability to solve. Either we accept the test data given from multiple sources or we assume foul play.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:45:36
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Any chance of updating the thermal pad guide pdf to include the VRAM pads too?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:46:24
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Any chance of updating the thermal pad guide pdf to include the VRAM pads too?
+1 would like to see the same myself
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:46:34
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08G-P4-6183-KR - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 - 86.04.3B.00.82 That is the correct version in that last bit you added in the edit. Strange that your screen went black though Thanks! I wonder if it's because I had Surround enabled at the time. It freaked out and went down to one display just before starting, and never came back after finishing the update.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:50:34
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Any chance of updating the thermal pad guide pdf to include the VRAM pads too?
+1
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 11:54:32
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DSP1
I am sure they felt that they were cooling them properly. They trusted them in the same way you trusted EVGA. And by extension you did buy from OnSemi. Take your concerns to their doorstep.
EVGA share your butthurt over being deceived.
Though they are probably handling it in a more mature manner.
Yes I understand, but i also said in my first few posts that i have no empathy at all for Entity and Companies. That's how it is.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:04:32
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GFAFS
DSP1
I am sure they felt that they were cooling them properly. They trusted them in the same way you trusted EVGA. And by extension you did buy from OnSemi. Take your concerns to their doorstep.
EVGA share your butthurt over being deceived.
Though they are probably handling it in a more mature manner.
Yes I understand, but i also said in my first few posts that i have no empathy at all . That's how it is.
FIFY
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:06:16
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The MAN=entity and Companies... Homey the Clown Song: Homey the clown, Don't mess around, Even though the Man, Try to keep him down, One day Homey will, Break all the chains, Then he'll fly away, But until that day, Homey don't play that!  to everyone complaining about these issues without proof.... http://www.cc.com/video-c...f-mencia-i-can-t-go-on
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:08:35
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DSP1
I am sure they felt that they were cooling them properly. They trusted them in the same way you trusted EVGA. And by extension you did buy from OnSemi. Take your concerns to their doorstep.
EVGA share your butthurt over being deceived.
Though they are probably handling it in a more mature manner.
Yes I understand, but i also said in my first few posts that i have no empathy at all for Entity and Companies. That's how it is.
Obviously you have no comprehension of what the word 'empathy' means. lol I love when they do that. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:17:20
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DSP1
Obviously you have no comprehension of what the word 'empathy' means. lol
I love when they do that.
Coming from someone who bring havoc on the Internet trolls and white knights, it sound a little flat and dull. Anyway, back to the EVGA problems, let's not drawn relevant informations in the thread's abyss. Enjoy trying.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:19:22
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Evil_Betox
Any chance of updating the thermal pad guide pdf to include the VRAM pads too?
+1 Yes, good idea!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:23:15
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Just shows how easy you are. As I pointed out earlier, I really don't have to do anything, you make a fool of yourself with each of your posts. The last one I quoted being prime evidence of that.
Ohhh and now you are asking for the thread to be returned to its initial intent.
Glad to see you are finally seeing reason here.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:35:14
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I updated the BIOS of my 1070 SC. It took only 3 sec, and after a reboot I was back up and running. The results:
Old BIOS: ~1050rpm @ 64C. New BIOS: ~1300rpm @64C. Still inaudible in my Fractal R4 case.
Hopefully EVGA will ship the pads soon, because I'm getting tired of playing hidden object games and 2D indie titles. :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:53:17
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I updated the BIOS of my 1070 SC. It took only 3 sec, and after a reboot I was back up and running. The results:
Old BIOS: ~1050rpm @ 64C. New BIOS: ~1300rpm @64C. Still inaudible in my Fractal R4 case.
Hopefully EVGA will ship the pads soon, because I'm getting tired of playing hidden object games and 2D indie titles. :)
Play your games. Dont run furmark. Why wouldn't you play your normal games?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 12:59:17
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Evil_Betox
Any chance of updating the thermal pad guide pdf to include the VRAM pads too?
That wouldn't be hard wouldn't it. They are there, compare to them. Cut pads to size and replace them. You would only need a preferable thickness mentioned. But that can be measured and then add 0.5mm. owagpus
I updated the BIOS of my 1070 SC. It took only 3 sec, and after a reboot I was back up and running. The results:
Old BIOS: ~1050rpm @ 64C. New BIOS: ~1300rpm @64C. Still inaudible in my Fractal R4 case.
Hopefully EVGA will ship the pads soon, because I'm getting tired of playing hidden object games and 2D indie titles. :)
I have that card and keep playing without bios and pads. Just a bit higher curve like the bios update would do. I just wait for the pads and keep bios as is intended, silent.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 13:12:17
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Si actualizo el ultimo controlador de la serie 10 se actualiza el bios
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 13:43:04
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Si actualizo el ultimo controlador de la serie 10 se actualiza el bios
I can't speak Spanish (and im not sure you can speak English) but I google translated and the only two possibilities I gathered were that you were asking, If I have the latest 10 series driver does that mean I have the latest vbios? If so the answer would be no. This is an entirely different download. If I installed the latest vbios would I also get the latest driver?No to that as well. Edit: Or maybe you were asking if you needed the lastest driver to flash the bios, in that case im not sure but my driver was a couple releases old when I flashed and I didn't have problems.
post edited by darkheran - 2016/11/06 13:48:18
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 15:46:59
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Is there anyone who can answer my question about the BIOS flashed number?
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW
Previous Master BIOS 86.04.17.00.80
Flashed Master BIOS 86.04.3B.00.80
Does this mean the flash worked, I'm wondering if it worked as the BIOS Version is different from the OP information.
Running AMD motherboard and received the zi folder I had to rename zip.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 16:08:36
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Is there anyone who can answer my question about the BIOS flashed number?
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW
Previous Master BIOS 86.04.17.00.80
Flashed Master BIOS 86.04.3B.00.80
Does this mean the flash worked, I'm wondering if it worked as the BIOS Version is different from the OP information.
Running AMD motherboard and received the zi folder I had to rename zip.
Yea that means it worked.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 17:33:54
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this is the problem, i dont know which bios am i the primary or the secondary
as i said im a bit newbie in this, so excuse me on this one
It clearly says Primary and Secondary. You should look for your card numbers ie:1070 FTW 6272 kR orRKarov
delicieuxz
I am also wondering about any specific information pertaining to potential performance degradation, or loss of GPU life, due to running a card for a few months without proper thermal protection.
Same here I never OCed or used benchmark tools and my case has pretty good cooling so I hope that my GTX 1080 FTW will not die soon after my 3 year warranty expires. My reference GTX 680's are still working to this day. I feel that although I did not have crashes or freezing that my cards lifespan is now shortened.
If your card is mailfunction within 2 years it will be replaced with a new card. That is, if you havn't overclocked it. If you Overclock it is on your own risk. ,
If someone overclocks their GPU, it is at their own risk... providing it is done in the environment of a GPU that is properly set up, including proper thermal protection. If someone overclocks a product that was faulty to begin with, and which makes it more susceptible to damage because the initial product wasn't done right, then overclocking is no longer simply at the risk of the overclocker, as any issues stemming from the base product's flaws are the responsibility of the manufacturer who put those flaws there. The proposal to overclock is given under the auspice that the GPU is not faulty to begin with. And, in many cases, overclocking is performed with a locked BIOS, which EVGA have set the parameters for. Also, it should be pointed out, to those who are claiming that, despite lacking proper thermal protection, the EVGA cards are still running within spec... that "spec" you're referring to is not the recommended operating temperature for the components, but is their failure point. And the closer that those components are run to their failure point, the faster they will degrade. So, a GPU with proper thermal cooling is going to last a lot longer than a GPU with improper thermal cooling - even if both specimens are operating well beneath the maximum temperature allowed for their components. Operating a component that is spec'd for 125C, at 115C will cause that component to last a lot shorter than it would if that same 125C spec'd component were operated at 80C. The higher the heat, the faster that component wears and degrades. For some people, it could be as though their 2 month-old GPU is now more similar to a 2+ year-old GPU, due to the increase in wear caused by elevated heat that their GPU has been operating within. Their GPU will still run, but it will have a lot less durability in it now than it should. I think that people should let EVGA state what they're going to, to protect their business, but that people should not start repeating EVGA's defensive statements and acting as if there's nothing more to it than those statements. Depending on potential costs to their business, it, debatably, makes some sense that EVGA is concerned about potential fallout from this, and wants to downplay the situation. But for non-EVGA persons to conform to these defensive statements involves a greater measure of disingenuity, or naivety, and is a disservice to the people who are concerned.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 17:39:11
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So, the place where I bought my 2 EVGA 1080 FTW cards from is offering a full refund. Now I am not sure if I buy 2 more of the same FTW cards or go with another brand...on one hand I really like EVGA; however, I am nervous that these cards will loose a lot of resale value (I plan on upgrading to the 1080 Ti whenever they are released). The other cards I am looking at are the Asus 1080 Strix OC edition. Thoughts?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 18:44:52
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I just bought an evga 1080 FTW from amazon, I've had it for about 10 days and its still in the box. Should I return this card and look for something else? I've read people say its only futuremark with altered drivers but if that was the case evga would not offer hardware and software mods (imo). If this is the Note 7 of graphics cards I'm not sure I want to plug this in and use it. I am comfortable doing the mods and then some but this is not something I really planned for when making my purchase choice.
Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 18:47:02
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I just bought an evga 1080 FTW from amazon, I've had it for about 10 days and its still in the box. Should I return this card and look for something else? I've read people say its only futuremark with altered drivers but if that was the case evga would not offer hardware and software mods (imo). If this is the Note 7 of graphics cards I'm not sure I want to plug this in and use it. I am comfortable doing the mods and then some but this is not something I really planned for when making my purchase choice.
Any advice is appreciated.
If you purchased the card 10 days ago, then it is still without the needed thermal pads and updated BIOS. If you keep the card, you will have to still apply those things, ideally before doing any intensive work or gaming with the card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/06 19:12:18
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bedwyr2501
I just bought an evga 1080 FTW from amazon, I've had it for about 10 days and its still in the box. Should I return this card and look for something else? I've read people say its only futuremark with altered drivers but if that was the case evga would not offer hardware and software mods (imo). If this is the Note 7 of graphics cards I'm not sure I want to plug this in and use it. I am comfortable doing the mods and then some but this is not something I really planned for when making my purchase choice.
Any advice is appreciated.
Honestly, for the amount of money you paid for this card you should expect it to work flawlessly and never have to worry about a safety issue. I would return it if I were you and go with another product until EVGA can figure this out. I have seen pictures of cards EVGA "fixed" where the thermal pads aren't coming in complete contact with the cooler and leaving a gap. This is all very troubling.
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