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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 13:59:03
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fightinfilipino if you own a car, doesn't mean you can blast 100mph down a residential street if you own a house, doesn't mean it's a good idea to fire up a coal BBQ inside the house if you own a CPU, doesn't mean it's a good idea to overvolt it, run your cooling at 30%, and then run Prime95 for hours ffs these are the most absurd posts i have ever seen. no card maker, EVGA or otherwise, is required to create cooling that anticipates that the end user is going to be a nonce and blatantly ignore warnings from Nvidia. just because you own a thing doesn't mean it's the manufacturer's fault when you do something patently stupid with it. good lord, the logic in here is astounding.
Your first analogy make no sense, at all. Usually if you have to come down to car comparaison you lost your point anyway. Same goes for the second one... . You have a house, you do whatever you want. The third is better if it wasn't obviously flawed, actually you can't cause any damage, a stock CPU will shutdown and/or throttle if the temps are over the well designed package, "protection mechanisms, temps limit being one, over-current protection being another". (unless you talk about an I386, obsolete or flawed material) I think it all come down to the capacity of one to read: what i mean?, well just read. let me highlight the post of esmir: Read this post from 2011 (GEFORCE): By Manuel Giuuzman Customer Care "Furmark is an application designed to stress the GPU by maximizing power draw well beyond any real world application or game. In some cases, this could lead to slowdown of the graphics card due to hitting over-temperature or over-current protection mechanisms. These protection mechanisms are designed to ensure the safe operation of the graphics card. Using Furmark or other applications to disable these protection mechanisms can result in permanent damage to the graphics card and void the manufacturer's warranty".
Furmark do not disable any protection mechanism (it's even stated on the post itself...) . It only push the GPU Chip to his maximum, causing it to draw MORE power, The more the VRM's need to deliver and regulate the lower the efficiency is...the higher the temperature are (by-product of low efficiency HEAT! in Watt, In return Heat will also affect the efficiency if not dealt with...AKA Thermal Runaway). If the Power delivery/regulation stage is Undersized, not efficient enough, and/or not cooled enough, components will blow, melt, wears, mofsets anyone? (101 of electronic and watts dissipation)...you see it all come to basic design and proper measures to counter a nefarious effect HEAT. Now, don't get me wrong, you can temper with these protections in some case, but certainly not with furmark, it usually require some hard-mod (changing resistance/components or hard-bypass) or need tempering in lower instruction level (bios, rom/eprom in general, what M.G call other applications in that case : nibitor,Maxwell-bios editor, kepler-bios, editor used to alter the card bios).
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 14:29:54
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Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do with your time than flame each other. . . your both enthusiasts who own and respect the brand evga. . . go have a cold shower
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 14:37:33
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This has been going on for about a week. Grab some popcorn, a monster and watch the fur fly!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 14:40:09
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UPDATE: After some more testing we will be releasing updated BIOS's for GTX 1060 cards with ACX 3.0 cooling for a more aggressive fan curve. Several BIOS's are updated in first post with more on the way.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:19:09
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EVGA_JacobF UPDATE: After some more testing we will be releasing updated BIOS's for GTX 1060 cards with ACX 3.0 cooling for a more aggressive fan curve. Several BIOS's are updated in first post with more on the way.
Added new BIOSes or updated BIOSes for cards that were already released?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:24:04
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I would thumb up/like/helpfull your post but I can no longer do that, the option is missing for me. :(
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:30:04
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Hello all, I'm to this PC gaming world, and I'm having some issues with SLI lately. So I got this 2 GTX FTW 1070, and one of those new bridges (1 slot spacing) I configured the SLI and test it, all worked fine and beautiful for the first 15 min, ultra setting at 4K 60fps stable, but then the main card started to overheat, fans spinning at 100% and some alert beeps came in, I had to close the game and all returned to normal. My question is, is there a way to target a specific temperature and force both cards to keep under that temp using Precision OC?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:34:31
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I just re-downloaded the 6173.zip, the update.exe is still dated for 11/3/16, nvflash.sys is dated for 9/23/16. I don't think that one changed. Jacob, am I correct or did something change? TIA
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:48:20
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That is correct, update.exe is the actual file that includes the BIOS ROM.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:48:51
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Anarion
EVGA_JacobF UPDATE: After some more testing we will be releasing updated BIOS's for GTX 1060 cards with ACX 3.0 cooling for a more aggressive fan curve. Several BIOS's are updated in first post with more on the way.
Added new BIOSes or updated BIOSes for cards that were already released?
Nothing has changed on 1080/1070. Only 1060 we added new BIOS updates in first post.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 15:51:15
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For GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 the bios number is still the same. So i think the post was only about new models (1060) added to the list. (I think) Edit: Yep, Jacob answered in the same time i was posting.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 16:21:46
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For what i see the GTX1060 6gb SC ACX 2.0 (06G-P4-6163-KR) don't need this update. Right? Factory bios version: 86.06.27.00.60
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 16:24:11
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Thank you sir! Any idea when Thermal pads will ship? This or next week?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 16:44:58
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ps to fan the flames, high temps here and im not OC'ing.... continue
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 16:57:38
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DeathAngel74 Thank you sir! Any idea when Thermal pads will ship? This or next week?
I want to know this too!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 17:45:26
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 19:18:10
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 22:02:48
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EVGA_JacobF Will continue this week.
Is there a chance for a 1080/1070 BIOs that is designed for the cards with thermal pad mod and features are less aggressive fan curve?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 22:18:24
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EVGA_JacobF Will continue this week.
How long does it take to ship the kit? It is currently showing "awaiting shipment" Will we receive a tracking number for the shipment?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 22:28:56
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I recommended to my friend to get one of these cards for VR so to a degree I feel responsible. Am I able to order this on his behalf? He's computer-potato and no way in holy hell would be able to do this fix.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/08 23:27:08
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mullets I recommended to my friend to get one of these cards for VR so to a degree I feel responsible. Am I able to order this on his behalf? He's computer-potato and no way in holy hell would be able to do this fix.
I did the same thing for a designer. I registered the product under my name with his permission of course and I ordered the pads on my address since I will be the one doing the mod on his card. You will be needing the card's serial # and maybe a photo of the receipt just in case.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 00:26:50
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GFAFS Furmark do not disable any protection mechanism (it's even stated on the post itself...) . It only push the GPU Chip to his maximum, causing it to draw MORE power, The more the VRM's need to deliver and regulate the lower the efficiency is...the higher the temperature are (by-product of low efficiency HEAT! in Watt, In return Heat will also affect the efficiency if not dealt with...AKA Thermal Runaway). If the Power delivery/regulation stage is Undersized, not efficient enough, and/or not cooled enough, components will blow, melt, wears, mofsets anyone? (101 of electronic and watts dissipation)...you see it all come to basic design and proper measures to counter a nefarious effect HEAT. Now, don't get me wrong, you can temper with these protections in some case, but certainly not with furmark, it usually require some hard-mod (changing resistance/components or hard-bypass) or need tempering in lower instruction level (bios, rom/eprom in general, what M.G call other applications in that case : nibitor,Maxwell-bios editor, kepler-bios, editor used to alter the card bios).
Nvidia card drivers used to check if you were running Furmark or Occt. When that's the case there were sensors on the card wich would lower the clock speeds till the overvoltage situation went away, and then restore the clocks. If those checks in the driver and/or the sensors aren't available anymore, sure you can freely use Furmark aparantly. Wich is dangerous to say the least. If they are present, Furmark of all things should not burn out a card. Yet it apparantly does/did.
post edited by Xfade81 - 2016/11/09 00:31:00
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 01:31:11
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Cyricor Its a bit worse than just that EVGA decided to cut corners. Its a design flaw. Someone actually designed the cooling solution on this card that didn't have common sense. They covered the mosfets with the midplate? One of the hottest components on the card? Whereas Asus and MSI with way more overbuild VRM solutions, that by design run cooler due to the much higher amperage they can handle, have them actively cooled.
Its a facepalm moment and worthy of my pity to be honest, if they tried to cut corners I would be angry, but all the evidence point to project failure, quality control absence and overall management bad decisions (The one responsible for the cooler design must be fired, even if he is the CEO's nephew as it seems :P ) . Because its my firm belief that anyone with half a brain could design it better with the same or less cost.
I seriously consider dremel for the midplate to expose the mosfets to direct airflow, and attach some low profile copper heat sinks.
Can any one upload a picture on the back of front heat spreader to see how original thermal pad is applied to mosfet?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 02:55:14
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Cyanold
Cyricor Its a bit worse than just that EVGA decided to cut corners. Its a design flaw. Someone actually designed the cooling solution on this card that didn't have common sense. They covered the mosfets with the midplate? One of the hottest components on the card? Whereas Asus and MSI with way more overbuild VRM solutions, that by design run cooler due to the much higher amperage they can handle, have them actively cooled.
Its a facepalm moment and worthy of my pity to be honest, if they tried to cut corners I would be angry, but all the evidence point to project failure, quality control absence and overall management bad decisions (The one responsible for the cooler design must be fired, even if he is the CEO's nephew as it seems :P ) . Because its my firm belief that anyone with half a brain could design it better with the same or less cost.
I seriously consider dremel for the midplate to expose the mosfets to direct airflow, and attach some low profile copper heat sinks.
Can any one upload a picture on the back of front heat spreader to see how original thermal pad is applied to mosfet?
Edit: it would appear i cant as im still a "new" member here is a link https:// postimg . org/image/yt310ye6p/
post edited by SinistaLad - 2016/11/09 02:57:44
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 04:33:29
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Cyanold
Cyricor Its a bit worse than just that EVGA decided to cut corners. Its a design flaw. Someone actually designed the cooling solution on this card that didn't have common sense. They covered the mosfets with the midplate? One of the hottest components on the card? Whereas Asus and MSI with way more overbuild VRM solutions, that by design run cooler due to the much higher amperage they can handle, have them actively cooled.
Its a facepalm moment and worthy of my pity to be honest, if they tried to cut corners I would be angry, but all the evidence point to project failure, quality control absence and overall management bad decisions (The one responsible for the cooler design must be fired, even if he is the CEO's nephew as it seems :P ) . Because its my firm belief that anyone with half a brain could design it better with the same or less cost.
I seriously consider dremel for the midplate to expose the mosfets to direct airflow, and attach some low profile copper heat sinks.
Can any one upload a picture on the back of front heat spreader to see how original thermal pad is applied to mosfet?
Edit: it would appear i cant as im still a "new" member here is a link https:// postimg . org/image/yt310ye6p/
Thanks for the picture, did you see the compression mark on the VRAM and mosfet area(the narrow strip on the left hand of small window? From the picture, pretty much limited contact on the bot VRAM. I can see the way that EVGA intend to cool the area, heat should transfer in a way like component->thermal pad-> front heat spreader. Pretty weird that the card got hot temperature on the vrm but the heat spreader on top of it look rather cool from guru3d review. One potential reason that i can think off is either the thermal pad thickness too thin or EVGA got the stand height wrong. Could any one confirm that the thermal pad on top of mosfet is on good contact? I will check that once i receive my pad. I dont really believe that the new thermal pad that apply on top of front heat spreader will address the root cause except stopping FLIR camera get true reading, they need find out why the heat from the vrm not getting transfer to front heat spreader. Can Jacob or Scarlet confirm this?
post edited by Cyanold - 2016/11/09 04:44:28
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 04:34:09
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Noob question guys, Anyone know if the thermal pads fix, will also fix the "Black Screen and 100% fan" issue? (tried to make a search in the forum, but didn't find anything alike).
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 04:43:18
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GFAFS Furmark do not disable any protection mechanism (it's even stated on the post itself...) . It only push the GPU Chip to his maximum, causing it to draw MORE power, The more the VRM's need to deliver and regulate the lower the efficiency is...the higher the temperature are (by-product of low efficiency HEAT! in Watt, In return Heat will also affect the efficiency if not dealt with...AKA Thermal Runaway). If the Power delivery/regulation stage is Undersized, not efficient enough, and/or not cooled enough, components will blow, melt, wears, mofsets anyone? (101 of electronic and watts dissipation)...you see it all come to basic design and proper measures to counter a nefarious effect HEAT. Now, don't get me wrong, you can temper with these protections in some case, but certainly not with furmark, it usually require some hard-mod (changing resistance/components or hard-bypass) or need tempering in lower instruction level (bios, rom/eprom in general, what M.G call other applications in that case : nibitor,Maxwell-bios editor, kepler-bios, editor used to alter the card bios).
Nvidia card drivers used to check if you were running Furmark or Occt. When that's the case there were sensors on the card wich would lower the clock speeds till the overvoltage situation went away, and then restore the clocks. If those checks in the driver and/or the sensors aren't available anymore, sure you can freely use Furmark aparantly. Wich is dangerous to say the least. If they are present, Furmark of all things should not burn out a card. Yet it apparantly does/did.
It was a way at the time to mitigate poor cards hardware/design. The point being, Furmark is not the culprit and never was. Poor Hardware/Design/QC are and must be acknowledged and addressed fully.
post edited by GFAFS - 2016/11/09 04:48:29
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/09 04:51:08
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Xfade81
GFAFS Furmark do not disable any protection mechanism (it's even stated on the post itself...) . It only push the GPU Chip to his maximum, causing it to draw MORE power, The more the VRM's need to deliver and regulate the lower the efficiency is...the higher the temperature are (by-product of low efficiency HEAT! in Watt, In return Heat will also affect the efficiency if not dealt with...AKA Thermal Runaway). If the Power delivery/regulation stage is Undersized, not efficient enough, and/or not cooled enough, components will blow, melt, wears, mofsets anyone? (101 of electronic and watts dissipation)...you see it all come to basic design and proper measures to counter a nefarious effect HEAT. Now, don't get me wrong, you can temper with these protections in some case, but certainly not with furmark, it usually require some hard-mod (changing resistance/components or hard-bypass) or need tempering in lower instruction level (bios, rom/eprom in general, what M.G call other applications in that case : nibitor,Maxwell-bios editor, kepler-bios, editor used to alter the card bios).
Nvidia card drivers used to check if you were running Furmark or Occt. When that's the case there were sensors on the card wich would lower the clock speeds till the overvoltage situation went away, and then restore the clocks. If those checks in the driver and/or the sensors aren't available anymore, sure you can freely use Furmark aparantly. Wich is dangerous to say the least. If they are present, Furmark of all things should not burn out a card. Yet it apparantly does/did.
It was a way at the time to mitigate poor cards hardware/design. The point being, Furmark is not the culprit and never was. Poor Hardware/Design/QC are and must be acknowledged fully.
Totally agreed, Furmark is a benchmark software that is used to compare the performance of EVGA card with other companys. All we can see is EVGA graphic has significant higher temperature on the vrm area that other brands, which probably still within the "marginal" range of components specification. It is confirmed that EVGA falls behind in terms of cooling design if EVGA doesnt come up with a plan B.
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