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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 08:07:29 (permalink)
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Some members still have the idea that checking GPU temp using GPU-z or any monitoring program is useful for checking this problem.
 
It's not. 



Can we please stop telling that !!!
 
You are right yes... BUT we have A LOT of differents tests now with VRM and GPU temperatures each time. If you look at that, you can see there's always a difference between 15/30 degres more for the VRM in comparaison with the GPU temp...

Of course the difference is higher when the GPU is hotter... 
 
I have a 50 degres max temperatures for my GPU, you really think I will have more than 80/85 degres for my VRAM ?? 

I'm pretty sure its not more than 70 degres in my case, I know I can be sure but I have facts on my side :D




Of course you are right too. And I agree it's very irritating to see this mentioned time and time again. The only reason I did it was because it's clear a few, a minority probably are STILL not aware.
 
But, I admit. My post was probably pointless.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 08:13:10 (permalink)
For me, if you have a GPU under 70 degres for your regular utilisation, it will not be a problem at all without pads, even without new bios !
 
The only thermal issue that those cards have its that they are not the best at all for this generation !
All brand had exploded cards too... it happens, thats all !
post edited by ilyama - 2016/12/10 08:15:40
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 08:15:20 (permalink)
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For me, if you have a GPU under 70 degres for your regular utilisation, it will not be a problem at all without pads, even without new bios !
 
The only thermal issue that those cards have its that they are not the best at all for this generation !
All brand had exploded cards too... it happens, thats all !




I fully agree.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 08:20:36 (permalink)
And I really think that evga had an exceptionnel reaction with the pads... even if it makes them look guilty, I really think they wanted peace of mind for their customers...

I'm pretty sure that other brands would do nothing in that case except the bios upgrade !
And dont forget that evga is the only card that we can easily open without avoid warranty so of course the cards are on the spotlight... we can see a lot of defaults that we will never see for other brands of course...
 
In fact, all the elements were perfect for a good "interney hype clics generator"... the famous picture and the famous video just came at the right moment, dont say thats weird but... who knows :D

It was so simple to make the conclusion "all evga cards will burn your house" 
post edited by ilyama - 2016/12/10 08:24:50
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 08:44:59 (permalink)
After all this, which was massively overblown, I reckon the next gen of cards by EVGA will be the safest and possibly the coolest among all brands.
Even though EVGA got loads of unfair negative press, they won't want any of this repeated whether true or not. The QC will be very high I would imagine, and I can confidentally say that I will probably purchase EVGA in a year or two. (Next gen after pascal I mean)
 
I hope not too many people consider this otherwise demand will be more than supply, resulting in waiting and retailers overcharging. Seriously I think EVGA will test and retest before release so nobody can say "my vram is fried." Yes, I bet the next gen of EVGA made GPUs will be tough as nails, well cooled and last years!!

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 08:56:40 (permalink)
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ilyama
For me, if you have a GPU under 70 degres for your regular utilisation, it will not be a problem at all without pads, even without new bios !
 
The only thermal issue that those cards have its that they are not the best at all for this generation !
All brand had exploded cards too... it happens, thats all !




I fully agree.


Second here.
Biggest advantage, @least in my book, is the added heat dissipation via the backplate.
It`s, like in the GTX285 era, getting warm instead of lukewarm.
Added benefits are:
Lower soundlevel
Cooler core-temps.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 09:15:40 (permalink)
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After all this, which was massively overblown, I reckon the next gen of cards by EVGA will be the safest and possibly the coolest among all brands.
Even though EVGA got loads of unfair negative press, they won't want any of this repeated whether true or not. The QC will be very high I would imagine, and I can confidentally say that I will probably purchase EVGA in a year or two. (Next gen after pascal I mean)
 
I hope not too many people consider this otherwise demand will be more than supply, resulting in waiting and retailers overcharging. Seriously I think EVGA will test and retest before release so nobody can say "my vram is fried." Yes, I bet the next gen of EVGA made GPUs will be tough as nails, well cooled and last years!!




I also think (and hope) that future EVGA cards will benefits of this story ;)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 12:34:57 (permalink)
Mine were shipped same day, still waiting.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/10 12:36:09 (permalink)
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Today 1 month waiting the thermal pads.
 
Regards.
 
Request Shipped 11/09/2016 (Please allow 1-2 weeks for delivery).


Lol. Mine shipped 11/2..... Still waiting...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/11 02:54:16 (permalink)
ok, i noticed that on a driver update or a presisionX updadte thatthe fans are set to null
meaning that your card is going to heat up unless you open presX and manually open a profile.
 
 
 
 
Ihave PresX set to open with windows, but that seems to have no effect.
i always have to manually open the program and then set my profile in it, then i'm fine.
if i don't, my fans are set to 0rpm and my card heats up.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/11 08:02:12 (permalink)
I have an AMD system too. The AMD version didn't work for me either, I ended up taking the card out, putting it in my old intel system, reinstalling windows and flashing it that way.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/12 08:59:40 (permalink)
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http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2691-final-evga-vrm-thermal-torture-test-and-analysis/page-3
 
75 -> 95
70 -> 85
80 -> 100
70 - 85
63 -> 75
70 -> 90
 
etc... 
 
tomshardware
 
http://www.tomshardware.de/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-grafikkarten-roundup,testberichte-242137-2.html
 
 73-98
75-106 (the famous furmark test :o )
 
http://www.tomshardware.fr/articles/evga-surchauffe-geforce-solution-test,2-2585.html
 
http://www.tomshardware.f...ion-test,2-2585-2.html
 




Mine after pad mod and conductonaut paste application on GPU; 
furmark - Fan @100% 
GPU 58C
VRM highest 66C 
 
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/12 13:09:47 (permalink)
Finaly my thermal pads arrived. Will do the tests and report back.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/12 13:16:31 (permalink)
So doing research paying off but not exactly providing results. EVGA with VRM problems. Gigabyte has no adequate ventilation on backplate. ASUS experiencing problems with fans on ROG Strix. Jesus Christ, WHAT THE HECK, already?????
 
I'm going to check what MSI is up to. This is ridiculous.
post edited by Sajin - 2016/12/12 13:28:24
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/12 18:17:05 (permalink)
I am currently living in Indonesia, how to RMA my cards with the updated one? Because my cards was handcarried, and local market have no distributors for this cards. Thank you.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/14 13:11:34 (permalink)
How can you know you got a card with the thermal pad revision ? I saw the video BIOS on my card is the new version, but does that guarantee the extra thermal pads are installed by EVGA ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/14 16:36:42 (permalink)
If you check its serial number at www.evga.com/thermalmod page, the result will tell you whether your card has the thermal mod update.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/14 17:53:48 (permalink)
First post is updated with the original BIOS if any users wish to flash back to the original (older) BIOS update.


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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/14 17:57:53 (permalink)
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First post is updated with the original BIOS if any users wish to flash back to the original (older) BIOS update.



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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/15 00:53:46 (permalink)
Hi All,
         I had my 1080FTW blow out last night. I didn't update BIOS or install pads. For the record I don't use bench tests and my case is a corsair graphite 380T which is well ventilated and the case fans I have on level 3 when gaming and it shifts a lot of air. My own Engineering opinion is that the lack of cooling below 60 degrees has shortened the life of the card. All electronics need cooling no matter what they do,even simple cooling just to avoid prolonged heat buildup.
 
I never have any issues with my 980Ti.
 
The marketing of run silent has killed these cards.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/15 04:56:06 (permalink)
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If you check its serial number at www.evga.com/thermalmod page, the result will tell you whether your card has the thermal mod update.



So when it says the following:
 
Based on your Serial Number (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx), we recommend the following:
It means the card is an old one without all the fixes ? If that is the case, then EVGA EU support lied to me and send me an old replacement card.
 
But on the other hand, the VBIOS I see on GPU-Z is 86.04.3B.00.84; while the first post in this thread says 86.04.3B.00.82 for Classified cards. So the BIOS is the new version. But thermal pads I'm not sure, and I'm not going to disassemble the card. So the thermalmod page to check with serial number isn't correct ? Quite a mess EVGA has made if you ask me.
post edited by StijnDC - 2016/12/15 05:11:58
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/15 05:37:38 (permalink)
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So doing research paying off but not exactly providing results. EVGA with VRM problems. Gigabyte has no adequate ventilation on backplate. ASUS experiencing problems with fans on ROG Strix. Jesus Christ, WHAT THE HECK, already?????
 
I'm going to check what MSI is up to. This is ridiculous.




I decide... I will wait and buy EVGA GTX1080Ti or EVGA GTX1080 Founders Edition.
I can't risk to something burn RVE and Processor I would need 1000 euro in pocket.
If I decide to go on EVGA GTX1080Ti that would be probably Hybrid, If I decide to go on EVGA Founders than I will need Hybrid Cooler.
For now my only recommendation for GTX1080 is Founders + Hybrid, other solutions will give me much higher temps of motherboards and processor.
EVGA will remember GTX1080 series forever. 
That's sabotage, someone sold them bad parts... We can't blame company who build all previous series normal to make mistake in production just like that. Bad parts are more logic explanation for me. 
You see now why is production in smaller batches better...
Than they could fix in another and customers really should be patient while wait.
EVGA done great job, again build nicest dual cooler series, incredible Hybrid and Hydrocopper models.
But something is not right with parts. If more than 10 graphics blow up than we can say that some of parts are not perfect.
 
This 
http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR
 
and this 
http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5188-B1
 
are solution if someone want cold GTX1080 with EVGA technical support and don't need to worry.
Somehow one part of me always wished to try some of Maxwell or Pascal reference cards, but Hybrid is cooler I want on my graphic card.
Because from some reason I can't remove heat from case with a lot of fans and open side panel become better solution than 5-6 fans.
If H100 remove heat from CPU and Hybrid from GPU and both work in exhaust configuration than case fans are not necessary at all.
Ambient temp will not be more than 38-40C. Only better and colder hardware is possible with custom liquid cooling.
But temp difference between expensive custom liquid loop vs AIO (both CPU+GPU) is smaller than difference between AIO (both CPU+GPU) vs dual/triple Air coolers graphic cards.
 
post edited by Vlada011 - 2016/12/15 06:23:30

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/15 13:06:55 (permalink)
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So doing research paying off but not exactly providing results. EVGA with VRM problems. Gigabyte has no adequate ventilation on backplate. ASUS experiencing problems with fans on ROG Strix. Jesus Christ, WHAT THE HECK, already?????
 
I'm going to check what MSI is up to. This is ridiculous.




I decide... I will wait and buy EVGA GTX1080Ti or EVGA GTX1080 Founders Edition.
I can't risk to something burn RVE and Processor I would need 1000 euro in pocket.
If I decide to go on EVGA GTX1080Ti that would be probably Hybrid, If I decide to go on EVGA Founders than I will need Hybrid Cooler.
For now my only recommendation for GTX1080 is Founders + Hybrid, other solutions will give me much higher temps of motherboards and processor.
EVGA will remember GTX1080 series forever. 
That's sabotage, someone sold them bad parts... We can't blame company who build all previous series normal to make mistake in production just like that. Bad parts are more logic explanation for me. 
You see now why is production in smaller batches better...
Than they could fix in another and customers really should be patient while wait.
EVGA done great job, again build nicest dual cooler series, incredible Hybrid and Hydrocopper models.
But something is not right with parts. If more than 10 graphics blow up than we can say that some of parts are not perfect.
 
This 
http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR
 
and this 
http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5188-B1
 
are solution if someone want cold GTX1080 with EVGA technical support and don't need to worry.
Somehow one part of me always wished to try some of Maxwell or Pascal reference cards, but Hybrid is cooler I want on my graphic card.
Because from some reason I can't remove heat from case with a lot of fans and open side panel become better solution than 5-6 fans.
If H100 remove heat from CPU and Hybrid from GPU and both work in exhaust configuration than case fans are not necessary at all.
Ambient temp will not be more than 38-40C. Only better and colder hardware is possible with custom liquid cooling.
But temp difference between expensive custom liquid loop vs AIO (both CPU+GPU) is smaller than difference between AIO (both CPU+GPU) vs dual/triple Air coolers graphic cards.
 




I wish I had the money for the Ti's. GTX 1070 is as far as I can go financially. Matter of fact, still waiting for a price drop.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/15 15:03:22 (permalink)
I expect to price drop when AMD show up.
And I'm not sure 100%... depend how much cost GTX1080Ti... But price of GTX1080 will drop for sure on normal price.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/15 23:30:26 (permalink)
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If you check its serial number at www.evga.com/thermalmod page, the result will tell you whether your card has the thermal mod update.



So when it says the following:
 
Based on your Serial Number (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx), we recommend the following:
It means the card is an old one without all the fixes ? If that is the case, then EVGA EU support lied to me and send me an old replacement card.
 
But on the other hand, the VBIOS I see on GPU-Z is 86.04.3B.00.84; while the first post in this thread says 86.04.3B.00.82 for Classified cards. So the BIOS is the new version. But thermal pads I'm not sure, and I'm not going to disassemble the card. So the thermalmod page to check with serial number isn't correct ? Quite a mess EVGA has made if you ask me.





The same happens to me, my classified 1080 brings the new bios and when checking the serial number continues saying that it does not need to update the bios and the pads, has been sent on November 23 directly from EVGA and possibly the program detects wrong.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/16 06:15:02 (permalink)
I bought the EVGA GTX 1080 SC recently and used to replace an EVGA 760 SC graphics card.
 
After the installation I had a double start-up at random. It happened like this: I turn on the PC, the Windows 10 logo shows up on screen but shortly thereafter the computer beeps again and a new boot starts, albeit slower than usual.
 
I thought it could be a Windows update issue, but I decided to do a full hardware testing including CPU, GPU, and memory before jumping to conclusions. These tests were all thorough. No errors. I then decided to wipe off the main drive and reinstall Windows 10. Same problem, always at random.
 
I resorted to the support ticket for my EVGA power supply since this was the only component I could not test, and the rep said that this was clearly a graphics card issue, since a black screen was produced. No explanation was given as why it happened at random. I was suggested to reinstall the GTX 760, but sadly the card is no longer with me.
 
None of the graphics card test tools showed uncontrolled temperature variations. With the Furmark tool the temperature was up to 75 Celsius and that was it, regardless of the time it took to run the test, more than an hour usually. With the Unigine "Valley" stress test the temperature never beyond 72 Celsius.
 
Much surprisingly, by entering the card's serial number I was advised to update the VBIOS and order the thermal pads. I did both. However, when starting the update.exe tool as instructed, the screen showed a warning message saying that it would go blank, as it did indeed, but by a few seconds later I had the low resolution Windows Desktop on screen, with no apparent update.
 
I restarted the PC, Windows went back to its full resolution. I ran GPU-Z, and low and behold the same VBIOS version. I did not try to repeat the process, because a bricked card would render the PC inoperable. I reported the incident to EVGA but no answer came from the support. The BIOS in the card still is version 86.04.17.00.80.
 
Last weekend I decide to move on by myself. I removed the GTX 1080 and sprayed a contact cleaner inside the PCI-E slot, and on the card's lanes. Then I reinsert the card and Windows came back without a glitch. That was last Sunday, meaning six days without that horrible double boot. Will it cure? Only time will tell.
 
My motherboard is the Asus Sabertooth 990FX Revision 1, a bit "old" by today's versions, which went up to 3 already. It is possible that dust and/or pollution may falter the PC's performance by intruding into slots. Cleaning, on the other, is not prone to cause any issues, unless is done carelessly.
 
As of this point I have difficulties to believe that the 1080's "issues", as the rep said, is caused by bad temperature control. First I don't play games or program any sort of overclocking, second the normal working temperature of my card is around 40 Celsius, with both fans turned off. By testing the fans will go off when the temperature goes beyond 60 degrees and will turn off again automatically when it comes down to 58 or so.
 
I understand now that "black screens" are "issues" coming from the graphics card, but surely mine came from a cold PC boot, therefore completely unrelated to temperature "issues". By the time Windows is running from a cold start, around 6-7 sec, the temperature on the GPU is still 40 degrees and it does not go much higher on normal computer operation.
 
Needless to say I will be relieved if the "issue" I was having goes away. To me it is somewhat a burden to RMA anything. If I knew beforehand about those problems with temperature control and burning VRMs I would probably be having second thoughts about upgrading my PC, regardless of my trust in EVGA products.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/16 08:41:38 (permalink)
Finally 1080 SC modded and running like a charm.

 

 
I cleaned it too. (There is a temporary construction site in the neighborhood) Really don´t know if it´s the thermal pads or the new  thermal paste i applied (prolimatec pk3), but i´m seeing at least minus 12º celsius in very demanding situations (Like BF1 in 4k Ultra for testing purposes). I´m very satisfied with the end results after all the "fear".
 
So, i´m leaving this topic with a hope that everybody deals with this issue with the best of luck. For EVGA, please, DON´T DO THAT AGAIN.
 
Thanks to all!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/16 12:40:05 (permalink)
flaviossa
Finally 1080 SC modded and running like a charm.

 

 
I cleaned it too. (There is a temporary construction site in the neighborhood) Really don´t know if it´s the thermal pads or the new  thermal paste i applied (prolimatec pk3), but i´m seeing at least minus 12º celsius in very demanding situations (Like BF1 in 4k Ultra for testing purposes). I´m very satisfied with the end results after all the "fear".
 
So, i´m leaving this topic with a hope that everybody deals with this issue with the best of luck. For EVGA, please, DON´T DO THAT AGAIN.
 
Thanks to all!




I just did my GTX 1080 ACX 3.0 reference.  Card is till quiet as a mouse!  Did the Vram modules as well...only three were touching the original pads.  Held my breath...with as much experience as I have with building systems, etc....doing this to my video card was worrisome, until I unplugged the fans and lights.  Then I was OK.  Used MX-4 paste rather than the stuff that came with the pads.  Now, mind you, temps in Texas are quite cool, but even so...before the mod...I was seeing 68C full load (not to bad).  NOW...I see 62C at full load and 22C at idle (temps outside in the 40's).  I played around with overclock and for the first time was able to get +275 on the memory while the GPU can still do +260 easily.  Have always been pleased with the card...more so now.  Agree with you Flav...hopefully EVGA will check the work from the China factory before releasing any more products. 
 
 
Been running the card for the past few hours.  Even downloaded Furmark and ran it.  Card won't go over 63C at any time with anything.  Over clocked the core to +260 and memory to +200, card hit 64C.  Between the pads and the MX-4...very pleased.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/12/17 01:13:02 (permalink)
I was seeing 68C full load (not to bad).  NOW...I see 62C at full load and 22C at idle (temps outside in the 40's),
 
Even downloaded Furmark and ran it.  Card won't go over 63C at any time with anything.

 
Interesting information, thank you.
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