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2020/01/09 17:02:58 (permalink)
Could this be "Big Navi"? As was recently hinted at my Dr. Lisa Su? 
 
An unreleased AMD Radeon RX GPU has been spotted by the folks over at AMD's subreddit which appears to be much faster than NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, at least in VR benchmarks. The GPU which was spotted alongside an AMD Ryzen 7 4800H processor has no final name so it's likely that this is a prototype or an early engineering sample of what is presumed to be the big Navi GPU.

 
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-navi-high-end-up-to-17-percent-faster-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti/
 
Yes it's a VR benchmark but an impressive feat if they can translate that to standard performance in regular desktop use. Even more so when you consider that AMD GPUs are usually behind Nvidia GPUs in VR performance in general. 
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/09 17:08:31 (permalink)
    Hmm. Looks like pci-e 4.0 is helping out here.

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/09 19:10:53 (permalink)
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    Hmm. Looks like pci-e 4.0 is helping out here.

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/09 20:29:13 (permalink)
    It won't be until late this year. I'd guess around September with the response Lisa Su gave.

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/09 23:31:24 (permalink)
    So basically Ampere will beat it.

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/09 23:37:13 (permalink)
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    So basically Ampere will beat it.


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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 05:13:21 (permalink)
    Price to performance, that's what AMD usually targets.
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 05:21:50 (permalink)
    Anything even close for competition sake - helps us all as consumers in the long run..... 
     
     

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 05:31:48 (permalink)
    I'm glad NV has/will get competition..but again..
     
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 08:20:08 (permalink)
    Interesting results & very light on Details ...  "prototype or an early engineering sample"

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 11:35:57 (permalink)
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    So basically Ampere will beat it.


    Most likely but if AMD can somehow get this launched before the next gen Nvidia cards(not called Ampere from what I am told) then even if for just a month they could have the fastest gaming card it would be a big marketing win for AMD.


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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 12:27:08 (permalink)
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    Most likely but if AMD can somehow get this launched before the next gen Nvidia cards(not called Ampere from what I am told) then even if for just a month they could have the fastest gaming card it would be a big marketing win for AMD.

    Lol, yeah, cause then instead of being "2 years behind", you could spin that logic to being "1 month ahead".

    Either way, I don't think it is terribly relevant since the flagship is the smaller market and AMD typically targets the larger markets with competitive price-to-performance ratios.
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 12:29:02 (permalink)
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    Most likely but if AMD can somehow get this launched before the next gen Nvidia cards(not called Ampere from what I am told) then even if for just a month they could have the fastest gaming card it would be a big marketing win for AMD.

    Lol, yeah, cause then instead of being "2 years behind", you could spin that logic to being "1 month ahead".

    Either way, I don't think it is terribly relevant since the flagship is the smaller market and AMD typically targets the larger markets with competitive price-to-performance ratios.



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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 13:11:46 (permalink)
    I'm guessing that AMD will try to get close to RTX 2080ti in performance at a lower cost. If they can do that they could have a winner. I have also heard rumors that NVIDIA will try and cut costs with Ampere. This could be the result of the Navi rumors.
     
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 13:58:22 (permalink)
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    I'm guessing that AMD will try to get close to RTX 2080ti in performance at a lower cost. If they can do that they could have a winner. I have also heard rumors that NVIDIA will try and cut costs with Ampere. This could be the result of the Navi rumors.
     
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    If that is the case, AMD will force.Nvidia to lower the.price of the 2080ti. IMO consumers win thanks to AMD not Nvidia nor Intel

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 15:10:52 (permalink)
    I think some are getting ahead of themselves.  They need to put down the big gulp of koolaid to the side.  I'm happy for everyone and competition but let's call it what it is.  AMD isn't at the same level as the others.  While they are ahead of Intel (imagine if they both were on 7nm who'd win ), they aren't ahead of Nvidia.  I'm happy for you AMD fanboys but your days are numbered historically speaking.   Enjoy it while it lasts cause it won't last long. 
     

     
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 16:30:40 (permalink)
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    I think some are getting ahead of themselves.  They need to put down the big gulp of koolaid to the side.  I'm happy for everyone and competition but let's call it what it is.  AMD isn't at the same level as the others.  While they are ahead of Intel (imagine if they both were on 7nm who'd win ), they aren't ahead of Nvidia.  I'm happy for you AMD fanboys but your days are numbered historically speaking.   Enjoy it while it lasts cause it won't last long. 
     

     
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 17:26:36 (permalink)


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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 19:32:11 (permalink)
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    I'm guessing that AMD will try to get close to RTX 2080ti in performance at a lower cost. If they can do that they could have a winner. I have also heard rumors that NVIDIA will try and cut costs with Ampere. This could be the result of the Navi rumors.
     
    AMD's strategy in my opinion will be to try and release Navi as soon as possible. 

    If that is the case, AMD will force.Nvidia to lower the.price of the 2080ti. IMO consumers win thanks to AMD not Nvidia nor Intel

    Before you start singing praises and getting all giddy, understand that AMD would do the exact same thing if they didn't have competition. Without competition you can set the market and charge really whatever you want. If AMD ran out ahead and were only competing with themselves the way Intel and Nvidia have been over the last few years, you'd see $1k+ AMD GPUs too and we are already seeing $2k++ "consumer" level CPUs from AMD.........

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 19:52:28 (permalink)
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    I'm guessing that AMD will try to get close to RTX 2080ti in performance at a lower cost. If they can do that they could have a winner. I have also heard rumors that NVIDIA will try and cut costs with Ampere. This could be the result of the Navi rumors.

    AMD's strategy in my opinion will be to try and release Navi as soon as possible. 

    If that is the case, AMD will force.Nvidia to lower the.price of the 2080ti. IMO consumers win thanks to AMD not Nvidia nor Intel

    Before you start singing praises and getting all giddy, understand that AMD would do the exact same thing if they didn't have competition. Without competition you can set the market and charge really whatever you want. If AMD ran out ahead and were only competing with themselves the way Intel and Nvidia have been over the last few years, you'd see $1k+ AMD GPUs too and we are already seeing $2k++ "consumer" level CPUs from AMD.........


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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 19:53:56 (permalink)
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    I'm guessing that AMD will try to get close to RTX 2080ti in performance at a lower cost. If they can do that they could have a winner. I have also heard rumors that NVIDIA will try and cut costs with Ampere. This could be the result of the Navi rumors.

    AMD's strategy in my opinion will be to try and release Navi as soon as possible. 

    If that is the case, AMD will force.Nvidia to lower the.price of the 2080ti. IMO consumers win thanks to AMD not Nvidia nor Intel

    Before you start singing praises and getting all giddy, understand that AMD would do the exact same thing if they didn't have competition. Without competition you can set the market and charge really whatever you want. If AMD ran out ahead and were only competing with themselves the way Intel and Nvidia have been over the last few years, you'd see $1k+ AMD GPUs too and we are already seeing $2k++ "consumer" level CPUs from AMD.........

    I can say the same about the way Nvidia and Intel did business throughout the years and forward.
    Gitty or praises how you call it, cant you be fair to say that its time the underdog gets a large piece of the pie as well? The difference between AMD and how Nvidia and Intel do business is that AMD products performance justifies the price tag while Nvidia and Intel price their products for the name Brand and schemes. Havent you noticed the increase of patches Nvidia and Intel have released to fix malicious flaws recently compare to AMD? That alone speaks for itself.
    Businesses are paying attention about how Intel and Nvidia malicious practices are affecting them. You make.a.valid point but the reality is both Nvidia and Intel, market dominating forces are.panicking over.how a small company like AMD is giving.them a.run.for their.money.

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 20:02:10 (permalink)
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    I'm guessing that AMD will try to get close to RTX 2080ti in performance at a lower cost. If they can do that they could have a winner. I have also heard rumors that NVIDIA will try and cut costs with Ampere. This could be the result of the Navi rumors.

    AMD's strategy in my opinion will be to try and release Navi as soon as possible. 

    If that is the case, AMD will force.Nvidia to lower the.price of the 2080ti. IMO consumers win thanks to AMD not Nvidia nor Intel

    Before you start singing praises and getting all giddy, understand that AMD would do the exact same thing if they didn't have competition. Without competition you can set the market and charge really whatever you want. If AMD ran out ahead and were only competing with themselves the way Intel and Nvidia have been over the last few years, you'd see $1k+ AMD GPUs too and we are already seeing $2k++ "consumer" level CPUs from AMD.........

    I can say the same about the way Nvidia and Intel did business throughout the years and forward.
    Gitty or praises how you call it, cant you be fair to say that its time the underdog gets a large piece of the pie as well? The difference between AMD and how Nvidia and Intel do business is that AMD products performance justifies the price tag while Nvidia and Intel price their products for the name Brand and schemes. Havent you noticed the increase of patches Nvidia and Intel have released to fix malicious flaws recently compare to AMD? That alone speaks for itself.
    Businesses are paying attention about how Intel and Nvidia malicious practices are affecting them. You make.a.valid point but the reality is both Nvidia and Intel, market dominating forces are.panicking over.how a small company like AMD is giving.them a.run.for their.money.

    I favor no company and root for nothing but competition. If either company is way out in the lead it's us the consumers that get punished by astronomical prices. All these things you are claiming from Intel and Nvidia would just be mirrored by AMD if the roles are reversed. Furthermore AMD already does the same garbage with rebranding products (how many times did they release the RX 480 again?) Or how about the RX 580 2048sp card? That's just a RX570 literally with a name change to the higher end card. These companies are no different my friend. All they want is your money and they will do anything to get it. 
     

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 20:42:10 (permalink)
    Of course i agree with you but you all missing the big picture here. AMD is selling 7mm CPUs now Intel does not...yet Intel is charging the same like AMD using the what number mm CPU? You are paying hefty price for a cached increase?
    Whos getting rip off here? By the time Intel gets to 7mm, AMD s innovation saved you the hustle of getting a new 7mm block or cooler if you upgrade them. Heck the TMSC yields for 7mm should be mastered by the time Intel gets its turn and Intel wont have the excuse to compete or even have a 7MM CPU that can overclock to 5.5 ghz-6ghz easily.
    Crap, come on man, people are complaining about AMDs prices but never have an issue with Nvidia and Intel doing the same?
    AMD showed to everyone that Intel was never going to go to 7mm because Intel was milking their CPU line up at a premium price. You see it as a bad situation but i dont. Intel must reduce the price of its products to compete or it will be stuck another year being.the sleepy giant.

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/10 21:24:43 (permalink)
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    Of course i agree with you but you all missing the big picture here. AMD is selling 7mm CPUs now Intel does not...yet Intel is charging the same like AMD using the what number mm CPU? You are paying hefty price for a cached increase?
    Whos getting rip off here? By the time Intel gets to 7mm, AMD s innovation saved you the hustle of getting a new 7mm block or cooler if you upgrade them. Heck the TMSC yields for 7mm should be mastered by the time Intel gets its turn and Intel wont have the excuse to compete or even have a 7MM CPU that can overclock to 5.5 ghz-6ghz easily.
    Crap, come on man, people are complaining about AMDs prices but never have an issue with Nvidia and Intel doing the same?
    AMD showed to everyone that Intel was never going to go to 7mm because Intel was milking their CPU line up at a premium price. You see it as a bad situation but i dont. Intel must reduce the price of its products to compete or it will be stuck another year being.the sleepy giant.

    I think it is you who is losing sight of what is going on and getting swept up in the moment. Sure it's easy to like AMD right now, they are popular and havent't been so in quite a while. You have to think in perspective and take a step back. If you really think Intel was "never going to go to 7nm" then you are extremely naive. They had quite a few very public failures in trying to get to their next node. They wouldn't have wasted all the time and money in R&D if they just intended to sit on 14nm. However the die size of the wafer doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things if performance is relevant between them. And for all intents and purposes performance is relevant even though AMD is finally catching up. Though Intel has indeed dropped their prices to counter. No one likes paying a premium. Do you really think I had a smile on my face when I handed over $1200 for my RTX 2080 Ti? No, but I really didn't have a choice, if I wanted the highest available performance for my GPU it's what I had to do. I do not want to see AMD in that same position of commanding a hefty premium just because there is no competition. 
     
    I'm not defending anyone here, you make it sound like I'm making excuses for one way or the other. I'm not that couldn't be further from what I think. 
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/11 10:09:48 (permalink)
    Im not losing sight of anything since im on the.consumer side. Im not complaining about the.price AMD is charging. I rather pay.for a.7mm CPU with PCI-EX 4.0 support.than paying.the same price for a 12 or 14mm CPU that supports only PCI-EX 3.0. That's my take. I say AMD will be charging that GPU that beats the 2080ti for $799. 😼

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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/11 12:45:05 (permalink)
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    I say AMD will be charging that GPU that beats the 2080ti for $799. 😼

    Wouldn't that be nice? And that is the type of move which makes sense for AMD GPUs at this time. I don't see a flagship $2000 GPU as a successful venture for AMD at this time.
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/13 12:45:54 (permalink)
    It will probably be as powerful as a 2070 Super or Radeon VII.
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/13 13:44:08 (permalink)
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    It will probably be as powerful as a 2070 Super or Radeon VII.

    So, it will be roughly as powerful as the already existing AMD RX 5700 XT? No, you make no sense.
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/13 14:03:13 (permalink)
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    It will probably be as powerful as a 2070 Super or Radeon VII.

    So, it will be roughly as powerful as the already existing AMD RX 5700 XT? No, you make no sense.



    The VII and 2070S are about 15% more powerful than the 5700XT at similar clocks.
     
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    Re: Unreleased AMD RX GPU beats RTX 2080 Ti by 17% 2020/01/13 14:23:43 (permalink)
    Topic talks about AMD card beating the 2080ti not the 2070 Super🙄🤦
    patience i tell ya💆

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