Nereus

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donta1979
I have the  Thermalright one

Can you tell me where you picked one up? I am having trouble finding the ThermalRight and ThermalGrizzly ones online, that arent cheap knock offs.

I'm assuming you're in the US.
 
If you order through Newegg (link), you're looking at 2-3 weeks. The Thermalright one I got there was legit.
 
You can purchase off EBay and have it in 3-4 days, and the buyer I got it from sent a legit Thermalright product, not a knockoff (they have an authentication sticker with a scratch off code that you can verify on the Thermalright web site). Seller was eternityseller-003 and here's the link. That's probably your best bet, plus they have a variety of colors.
 
If you want the more expensive DerBauer / Thermal Grizzly one (triple the price), the only place I'm aware of in US that has had them recently is TitanRig (link).. currently out of stock again, but you can register on that page to be notified when they are back in stock.
 
I've never used AliExpress so I can't comment on that.
 

Thanks Nereus.
 
I went ahead and tried AliExpress
With the first time purchase discount it was only $7.  If it works, great if not I will know never trust them again, but at least it will only be 7 bucks

donta1979
As posted above in a post update. Here is after a couple weeks and some change of the correction bracket being installed. Believe my lid is good now or at least as good as its going to get after being bowed badly for four months.

Ah I didn't keep up with the thread before.  That IS a huge difference.  But it's crazy that your cpu was shooting up to 1.5v, though.  You mentioned before the bracket: "It eventually idled in the 50c range and 80-90c in gaming, sometimes 100c."

I played for about 5 hours last night.  Running at 5225Mhz I'm still able to stay under 60c with idle around 28-29c and hovering around 1.33v. It's been running for about 2 months.  I'll keep an eye on it to see if it gets worse.

I know we've pretty much covered most of this, but for anyone looking to get up to speed or a more thorough breakdown of what is happening, GamerNexus did a pretty good overview yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI
 
They are also going to round-up some of the other contact frames (Thermalright being one of them) and do some testing to see how they compare to the more expensive Thermal Grizzly one.  So, more to come..
 

yaymz
I know we've pretty much covered most of this, but for anyone looking to get up to speed or a more thorough breakdown of what is happening, GamerNexus did a pretty good overview yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI
 
They are also going to round-up some of the other contact frames (Thermalright being one of them) and do some testing to see how they compare to the more expensive Thermal Grizzly one.  So, more to come..

Steve never said they were going to test the cheaper brands, matter of fact he said the opposite of that.
 
https://youtu.be/Ysb25vsNBQI?t=1280

yaymz
I know we've pretty much covered most of this, but for anyone looking to get up to speed or a more thorough breakdown of what is happening, GamerNexus did a pretty good overview yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI
 
They are also going to round-up some of the other contact frames (Thermalright being one of them) and do some testing to see how they compare to the more expensive Thermal Grizzly one.  So, more to come..
 

This is amazing and so wildly surprising.   I mean why didn't anyone at intel realize the CPU is bending this way?  If Raptor lake is going to 1700, how are they going to address this with it?  Or would they even care?  Too many questions lol.  I'll definitely keep an eye on my temps to see if they creep up.  I'm going to look into a torque screwdriver, though.  I don't trust myself to just turning something 90 degrees from what "feels" like is the spot to where you should start turning 90 degrees from.

I cannot find a Grizzly CPU Contact Frame anywhere. Not on Amazon, Newegg, or anywhere.

rsxownes
I cannot find a Grizzly CPU Contact Frame anywhere. Not on Amazon, Newegg, or anywhere.

Link is in this thread, but you have to check often and be quick on the purchase as they go out of stock fast.
 
https://www.titanrig.com/thermal-grizzly-intel-12th-gen-cpu-contact-frame-03-20-tg-0101-01-on.html

For a simple piece of metal it's crazy nobody has stock of the things by now, they've been out for over a month at least. A few years of good use will probably see Alder Lake's CPU bowing problem get even worse...
 
Really hoping AM5 doesn't develop any bowing issues, doesn't look like it will but still it uses a very similar side-contact latch-point system. 

B0baganoosh
The Amify one I ordered on Newegg is still on a tour of China at the moment.
 
It was cheap enough that I figured if the Thermal Grizzly one shows up in stock somewhere I can order that one too, then compare them when they come in. I have some calipers I can take some (probably rough compared to the machining tolerances, but far better then eye-ball or ruler lol) measurements to see how close they are, but I haven't seen the TG one in stock anywhere. I hadn't ordered my new parts yet when I saw it in stock at Titan, so I missed that window lol. Woops.

The machining tolerances would be very interesting. Here's to hoping you get your hands on both.

Flybye
This is amazing and so wildly surprising.   I mean why didn't anyone at intel realize the CPU is bending this way?  If Raptor lake is going to 1700, how are they going to address this with it?  Or would they even care?  Too many questions lol.  I'll definitely keep an eye on my temps to see if they creep up.  I'm going to look into a torque screwdriver, though.  I don't trust myself to just turning something 90 degrees from what "feels" like is the spot to where you should start turning 90 degrees from.

Serious question, did you happen to be around for the 6700k?

I ask that (and this will sound rude, but it isn’t meant to be) but do you truly/really believe intel cares? Hundreds of thousands, (possibly in the millions) of CPU’s sold, and only a few people will even realize this is happening.

The 6700k’s were breaking off the corners and intel didn’t care to make the PCB thicker. They surely don’t care about the mount not working properly, especially when they don’t make the mount themselves.

the_Scarlet_one

Flybye
This is amazing and so wildly surprising.   I mean why didn't anyone at intel realize the CPU is bending this way?  If Raptor lake is going to 1700, how are they going to address this with it?  Or would they even care?  Too many questions lol.  I'll definitely keep an eye on my temps to see if they creep up.  I'm going to look into a torque screwdriver, though.  I don't trust myself to just turning something 90 degrees from what "feels" like is the spot to where you should start turning 90 degrees from.

Serious question, did you happen to be around for the 6700k?

I ask that (and this will sound rude, but it isn’t meant to be) but do you truly/really believe intel cares? Hundreds of thousands, (possibly in the millions) of CPU’s sold, and only a few people will even realize this is happening.

The 6700k’s were breaking off the corners and intel didn’t care to make the PCB thicker. They surely don’t care about the mount not working properly, especially when they don’t make the mount themselves.

I'm the last person to think anyone is sounding rude .  It's all good.  I guess I expected too much from Intel.  I've trusted their products for decades, and I do find it hard to believe that they didn't bother to test this well.  Thankfully, the powers at be with the aftermarket is a strong one. 

I didn't know about the 6700k.  I jump from the 3770k to the 12900kf.  I just looked up that corner issue, and man, that would have seriously made me jump back to AMD if that happened to me.  And you are right.  In the grand scheme of things, they are not going to care about people taking their CPU to the extreme - the people who actually do thermal testing and monitoring.

Does anybody have an actual torque spec? I may have a way to apply proper torque...but I'd need to know what that is. Derbeuer talked about 0.03N...that...doesn't sound right lol.
 
I'm finding other Intel ILMs that call out 2.25N of torque.
 
It looks like the box just showed up state-side and might get delivered as soon as tomorrow. So now I'm wondering if I can make it happen over the weekend lol. I can do the whole finger snug then 90° thing, but I figured if I could just apply the right torque, that'd be even better.

B0baganoosh
Does anybody have an actual torque spec? I may have a way to apply proper torque...but I'd need to know what that is. Derbeuer talked about 0.03N...that...doesn't sound right lol.
 
I'm finding other Intel ILMs that call out 2.25N of torque.
 
It looks like the box just showed up state-side and might get delivered as soon as tomorrow. So now I'm wondering if I can make it happen over the weekend lol. I can do the whole finger snug then 90° thing, but I figured if I could just apply the right torque, that'd be even better.

GN posted a video about 5 days ago and they show an install that's giving them good, dependable results.

https://youtu.be/Ysb25vsNBQI

thanks everybody. They did indicate a torque spec of 0.03 to 0.06Nm in that GN video.
 
The frame I ordered came with an L-key driver and I have a pretty accurate force gauge. It only has 0.5N increments, so theoretically, I could apply a force at 90° from the L-key and if I know the distance from the center of rotation to where the force is applied (which is as simple as a ruler measurement), I should be able to push on the L-key with the same force for each screw.
 
For example, if I can put the force gauge 1.5cm from the screw's center, I would have to put 3.5N on it to get 0.0525Nm of torque on the screw. If I saw it accidentally go to 4N, that would be 0.06Nm. The problem I see with this plan immediately is that there really just isn't that much room in the case to fit the force gauge, so it would be very difficult to keep it at 90°, and if it goes away from that, I'd have no idea how much force I'd actually be applying but it would be less. 
 
I may just go with the finger snug, then 90° more approach they laid out.

yaymz

B0baganoosh
 
I may just go with the finger snug, then 90° more approach they laid out.

I like GN's recommendation of backing the screw out first. 
 

Yeah, I always do that...with every screw. It is outstanding life advice everyone should know. for every screw or thread not going into wood. It has saved me from cross threading many screws over the years.