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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 11:18:06 (permalink)
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Does anybody have an actual torque spec? I may have a way to apply proper torque...but I'd need to know what that is. Derbeuer talked about 0.03N...that...doesn't sound right lol.
 
I'm finding other Intel ILMs that call out 2.25N of torque.
 
It looks like the box just showed up state-side and might get delivered as soon as tomorrow. So now I'm wondering if I can make it happen over the weekend lol. I can do the whole finger snug then 90° thing, but I figured if I could just apply the right torque, that'd be even better.



GN posted a video about 5 days ago and they show an install that's giving them good, dependable results.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 11:32:45 (permalink)
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Does anybody have an actual torque spec? I may have a way to apply proper torque...but I'd need to know what that is. Derbeuer talked about 0.03N...that...doesn't sound right lol.
 
I'm finding other Intel ILMs that call out 2.25N of torque.
 
It looks like the box just showed up state-side and might get delivered as soon as tomorrow. So now I'm wondering if I can make it happen over the weekend lol. I can do the whole finger snug then 90° thing, but I figured if I could just apply the right torque, that'd be even better.


No not even intel nor any of the board manufacturers give out an actual torque spec. Pretty much if you flicked a screw driver really hard with your finger and the second it hits resistance it stops spinning is as much as it needs to be screwed in. The Thermal grizzly option has notches to help you, or you get one of the options like some of us did like Thermalright's who was the first to the party and do what I just suggested. All you need to do is pay attention to when you take the torque screws out. You will be like that's it? Really... Wish intel or the board makers would chime in, even EVGA could if they really wanted to. They have that information for their own boards available to them.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 12:13:29 (permalink)
thanks everybody. They did indicate a torque spec of 0.03 to 0.06Nm in that GN video.
 
The frame I ordered came with an L-key driver and I have a pretty accurate force gauge. It only has 0.5N increments, so theoretically, I could apply a force at 90° from the L-key and if I know the distance from the center of rotation to where the force is applied (which is as simple as a ruler measurement), I should be able to push on the L-key with the same force for each screw.
 
For example, if I can put the force gauge 1.5cm from the screw's center, I would have to put 3.5N on it to get 0.0525Nm of torque on the screw. If I saw it accidentally go to 4N, that would be 0.06Nm. The problem I see with this plan immediately is that there really just isn't that much room in the case to fit the force gauge, so it would be very difficult to keep it at 90°, and if it goes away from that, I'd have no idea how much force I'd actually be applying but it would be less. 
 
I may just go with the finger snug, then 90° more approach they laid out.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 12:21:56 (permalink)
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I may just go with the finger snug, then 90° more approach they laid out.


This is what I plan on doing once I can get my hands on a TG frame.  I like GN's recommendation of backing the screw out first. 
Probably also a good place to mark the screw is the approximate place that the thread starts, but on the screw head (just to stay consistent with every screw). 
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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 12:42:46 (permalink)
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I may just go with the finger snug, then 90° more approach they laid out.


I like GN's recommendation of backing the screw out first. 
 



Yeah, I always do that...with every screw. It is outstanding life advice everyone should know. for every screw or thread not going into wood. It has saved me from cross threading many screws over the years.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 13:40:42 (permalink)
That .03-.06 Nm is no joke. Torque screwdrivers in that range are not “comfortably” priced.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/01 14:06:39 (permalink)
 
I used the Der8auer method with the quarter turn at the end. I have an EKWB 0.6Nm torque screwdriver (link) for installing CPU coolers. I don't have the right fitting for the frame, but it is surprising how much tension 0.6Nm torque is - certainly I put less tension on the CPU frame with the Der8auer method than 0.6Nm torque. 
 
edit: just realized - the EKWB torque screwdriver is 0.6Nm. Der8auer recommended 0.03 - 0.06Nm, not 0.6Nm.. lol, thank heavens I used his method and not the EKWB torque screwdriver!
 
 
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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/02 08:40:20 (permalink)
those screwdrives seem awesome and bit pricey!! 20 euros ..and beyond is a little abuse!
 
saw yesterday prices for the ALDER LAKE cpu's  ( i7-12700) and at the moment i am not impressed.. 370 euros?
maybe an i5 this time or AMD for a change( if price is right)!
 
let's see next gen! i don't need more heat in my living room anyways..
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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/02 21:01:08 (permalink)
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I'm the last person to think anyone is sounding rude .  It's all good.  I guess I expected too much from Intel.  I've trusted their products for decades, and I do find it hard to believe that they didn't bother to test this well.  Thankfully, the powers at be with the aftermarket is a strong one. 

I didn't know about the 6700k.  I jump from the 3770k to the 12900kf.  I just looked up that corner issue, and man, that would have seriously made me jump back to AMD if that happened to me.  And you are right.  In the grand scheme of things, they are not going to care about people taking their CPU to the extreme - the people who actually do thermal testing and monitoring.




I mean, this is Intel. They intentionally break socket compatibility every two years. They changed to using TIM instead of soldered IHS because it saved them pennies, but switched back to solder once AMD got competitive and Intel ran headfirst into the clockspeed/heat wall.
 
GN Steve theorized that Intel may change the faulty latching system with Meteor Lake, because it will change to a LGA1851 socket. Making the chip even longer would only worsen the bowing problem without a redesign.


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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/02 22:13:15 (permalink)
Well, the Amify one came in. The etching in the top was slightly different than pictured, but overall, the machining looked good. Installation was a breeze and I'm up and running. I did the GN method for the beginning, did a 90° turn after just starting to feel pressure on each one, then used a force gauge to put ~0.06Nm on each screw. I can't say with 100% certainty that it was exact, but it basically resulted in an additional ~15-30° on each screw past the initial 90° that I rotated past that first pressure point.
 
You can just see it peaking around the Optimus water block.
 



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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/03 05:00:56 (permalink)
Nice, B0baganoosh.  Any noticeable differences in temp?


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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/03 06:46:21 (permalink)
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Nice, B0baganoosh.  Any noticeable differences in temp?


No, but I had only ran it for a couple weeks and looking at the paste after taking the block off yesterday, I didn't see any kind of pattern indicating that I had the bending problem yet. I think it's likely that I either wouldn't have had it or that it would have taken time to develop. At least now it shouldn't develop.

Also, it was warmer in the room than the last time I did similar testing, so I guess it could be a few degrees cooler, but it's really hard to tell right now.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/03 06:59:49 (permalink)
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Nice, B0baganoosh.  Any noticeable differences in temp?


No, but I had only ran it for a couple weeks and looking at the paste after taking the block off yesterday, I didn't see any kind of pattern indicating that I had the bending problem yet. I think it's likely that I either wouldn't have had it or that it would have taken time to develop. At least now it shouldn't develop.

Also, it was warmer in the room than the last time I did similar testing, so I guess it could be a few degrees cooler, but it's really hard to tell right now.

As of last night I'm still idling around 30C and gaming between 50-60C with my fans at 55%.  My system has been running for a little over 2 months, but I sometimes go almost a week without using it.  I keep wondering if keeping it on is a consideration for accelerating the bending process.  I just don't want to have to go through all this hassle if it's not even gonna be worth it.  Maybe I got lucky, and it's not affecting me.  Oh how time will tell lol.


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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/03 08:36:36 (permalink)
I definitely think there's a chance some people will never see a problem. I think if you start noticing that you have a bigger variation from one core to another than you have now, you can think about it then.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/16 22:27:33 (permalink)
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Nice, B0baganoosh.  Any noticeable differences in temp?


No, but I had only ran it for a couple weeks and looking at the paste after taking the block off yesterday, I didn't see any kind of pattern indicating that I had the bending problem yet. I think it's likely that I either wouldn't have had it or that it would have taken time to develop. At least now it shouldn't develop.

Also, it was warmer in the room than the last time I did similar testing, so I guess it could be a few degrees cooler, but it's really hard to tell right now.

As of last night I'm still idling around 30C and gaming between 50-60C with my fans at 55%.  My system has been running for a little over 2 months, but I sometimes go almost a week without using it.  I keep wondering if keeping it on is a consideration for accelerating the bending process.  I just don't want to have to go through all this hassle if it's not even gonna be worth it.  Maybe I got lucky, and it's not affecting me.  Oh how time will tell lol.


As long as you do not take the cpu cooler off, and do not take the cpu out of the socket you will be fine. The second you do the bowing is accelerated some worse than others. There is a bow no matter what, with it and the right cooler you will idle in the 20C ranges. But right now I would just leave it, it is worth getting as a preventative measure or if you got into my shoes with the vcore and temps going out of control with the temp sensors all cutting out from the bow.

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/17 05:18:06 (permalink)
For the non-metric folks, we are talking about approximately 0.5 inch pounds. That is tiny.
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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/17 11:08:18 (permalink)
I didn't want to bog this thread down, but for those checking here and not in the z690 section, here's my trials with two different frames: https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3564958

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Re: Thermal Grizzly Announces Contact Frame For Intel Alder Lake, Promises to Reduce Temps 2022/07/28 19:16:06 (permalink)
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I know we've pretty much covered most of this, but for anyone looking to get up to speed or a more thorough breakdown of what is happening, GamerNexus did a pretty good overview yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI
 
They are also going to round-up some of the other contact frames (Thermalright being one of them) and do some testing to see how they compare to the more expensive Thermal Grizzly one.  So, more to come..



Lol, so there is an update here:  Gamer Nexus just came out with that update to whether the other 12th gen Contact Frames worked as well as the Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame, which you can watch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYU1OskbY-Q
 
Spoiler alert:
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After testing the $5 Thermalright contact frame, they  found no real difference between that and the Thermal Grizzly contact frame.  There are some minor reasons one might want the TG contact frame, which you can watch in the video, but if only the Thermalright contact frame is available, it makes it an easy choice to me..
 
To date, the TG contact frame is still mostly unavailable here in the US (other than a couple small drops that happened).
 
 
 




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