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2012/11/16 06:21:19 (permalink)
After 82 years in business, Hostess, the maker of Twinkies and Wonder bread is calling  it quits.
At least the "Twinkies Defense" won't be able to be used to get off scott free anymore.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/11/16/twinkie-maker-hostess-to-shut-down-after-crippling-strike/?intcmp=trending

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 06:32:10 (permalink)
    I see two things happening.
    1) they sell rights to another company.
    2) they open a new business in states that have right to work.
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 06:47:50 (permalink)
    Typical ignorant union workers forcing the company to liquidate, must be the bonehead move of the year on their part.  But then again, with the US pratically providing unlimted unemployment benefits why would they care.  Pretty sad really.  

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 06:55:43 (permalink)
    OK ,  I can't resist
     


     


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 07:03:24 (permalink)
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    Typical ignorant union workers forcing the company to liquidate, must be the bonehead move of the year on their part.  But then again, with the US pratically providing unlimted unemployment benefits why would they care.  Pretty sad really.  

    YUP! that's why I hate the Union so retard. I am so glad you don't have to be part of the Union in Texas.


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 07:19:42 (permalink)
    lol at people blaming the unions.
     
    I'm just going to laugh and leave.
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:13:06 (permalink)
    I wonder if they can open up over seas and give the jobs to some hard working Chinese.  The snacks are light enough, the difference between shipping and reduced salaries ought to allow Hostess to turn a profit.  They'd have to liquidate everything and see if the money made is enough to start again in China. 
     
    Scratch that,  sell off to Bimbo Bakeries and ship the jobs to Mexico.  Cheaper labor, NAFTA, appreciative workforce, and less domestic tax. 
     
    In the meantime I guess I better head to the grocery store and stock pile some Twinkies that I never buy anyways but now that they're on the verge of extinction I need them like oxygen. 


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:17:03 (permalink)
    I wasnt a huge Twinky fan, but i did love Hostess.  Used to be a Hostess Snack Shop in town, used to buy all my bread products and snacks there.  I remember getting to go with my dad 20 some years ago :D  It closed down about a year ago. Was actually blamed on the road construction going thru town to make a 2 lane into 4. A steakhouse, comedy club, rib shack and the coveted Hostess Snack Shop closed. 2.5 years and the construction still is only half a mile down the road.  Few weeks back on my Triumph and there was a guy holding a stop sign. Well right b4 he motions for me to go a cement truck drives across the street dumping fresh cement allover. Waited another 15 minutes for them to clean it up.  Sure enough even though traffic was totally backed up, 7 guys and 1 girl standing around or sitting....2 workers cleaning it up.   Ahh crap went off topic there.. 
     
     
    This is what I think of every time "I" hear TWINKY!!!!!
     


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:31:09 (permalink)
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    Typical ignorant union workers forcing the company to liquidate, must be the bonehead move of the year on their part.  But then again, with the US pratically providing unlimted unemployment benefits why would they care.  Pretty sad really.  


    From what I have read the average worker was getting $12 an hour ( not great, but fair), and they wanted to reduce that to $9 an hour. (25% pay cut). I would go on strike if they did that to me too.
    Seems as though the company just gave up and said " well the easiest way to save money is to cut wages.  They are striking because we are cutting their wages?, oh well, lets just close up shop and cash in what we can, screw them for striking".
     
    Seems everyone wants to blame unions these days, when sometimes the employer is at fault.
    And no I am no a union fanboy, infact I have never been in a union. 
     
    There is a lot more to read on this twinkee stuff with a ton more information, so you can't really judge the whole thing by that one article.
    Thats just my 2 cents.
     
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    lol at people blaming the unions.

    I'm just going to laugh and leave.
    hahahaah....

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:39:35 (permalink)
    Blame it on people trying to eat more healthy!
     
    Also am i the only one who finds this funny?
    That they went on strike and ended up striking themselves out of a job?
     
    We dislike our working conditions and pay! Opps.... Now we do not have a job because they company went down... Our bad.
     
    I am sure there is more then this to it. But it is just the way it looks on the outside.
     
    It seems like the company was losing money, They had to cut cost. SO the picked keeping everyone at a lower pay. So more people working but at less pay...

    The funny thing is, If they would have went the "meaner" route and just fired off people to cut the cost they would still be in business. But they are the bad guys for just trying to stay in business and keep these people in a job. The unions had no idea just how much the company was losing or that they had to do that to stay afloat.
     
    But why didn't they just fire off the workers to lower cost and keep the remainder at the higher pay?
     
    I bet that was the unions. They could not fire them.
     
    So this seems like. Company losing money and have to cute wages or jobs> Unions says no to both options and going on strike> Strike ends up making this worse for the company so they have to go down > Everyone now does not have a job instead of getting paid less or only a few getting fired....
     
    In this case the needs of the many did not out way the needs of the few. The needs of the few said screw everyone else if we are getting screwed.
    post edited by Bkatt - 2012/11/16 08:46:46

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:40:00 (permalink)
    In this economy, They'd be lucky to get minimum wage. 


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:41:12 (permalink)
    The true loss involved is not just the loss of the products that many of use grew up with, but also the pensions of the employees. 

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:42:22 (permalink)
    Company has had issues for a long time now, which gives way to more managerial problems at the logistic and distribution levels rather than blaming the employees. 2004 bankruptcy (pre-recession) 1995 merger flop and other issues.
     
    Taking it out on the people who produce the profits do not make sense in this instance.
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:47:09 (permalink)
    Either way, $9 an hour is a whole lot better than $0 an hour.


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:49:32 (permalink)
    MSim

    I see two things happening.
    1) they sell rights to another company.
    2) they open a new business in states that have right to work.
    Ummm, Hostess' headquarters is in Texas. We are a right to work state. Hostess is a privately held company. it is their own fault for letting a union get in there.




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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 08:56:25 (permalink)
    “The truth is that Hostess workers and their Union have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this   company.  That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the company’s decision makers,” Frank Hurt, BCTGM International Union President, said in a separate statement released on Wednesday.
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 09:17:54 (permalink)
    2 things. unions used to protect the worker so unions used to be not bad but most tend to suck up any money they can from workers.
     
    another thing is i never liked twinkies and im lactose intolerant so cant eat any of their stuff anymore anyway so no skin off my back
     
    but 1 major downside. theres only 2 things that survive a nuclear holocaust. Roaches and Twinkies. we are doomed in the even of a nuclear cataclysm

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 09:27:59 (permalink)
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    2 things. unions used to protect the worker so unions used to be not bad but most tend to suck up any money they can from workers.

    another thing is i never liked twinkies and im lactose intolerant so cant eat any of their stuff anymore anyway so no skin off my back

    but 1 major downside. theres only 2 things that survive a nuclear holocaust. Roaches and Twinkies. we are doomed in the even of a nuclear cataclysm

     
    They already busted the myth of Twinkies surviving that long.

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 09:32:47 (permalink)
    Yeah I hate Unions too. I hate the way they fight for fair wadges and benefits for the working man, Big business should have all the power and money not the common working man, I want employees that will give 100% and invest their lives to my soulless company with a minimal return. As long as my pockets are fat I could care less about those sycophantic peasants, they will do as they are told and be happy to have a job! They are disposable why should I care about employees? It's not like they are equal to me in any way.

    Unions provide safe work environments, Health and welfare benefits to a working class that don't normally have them, Apprenticeship programs, A skilled workforce, Formal training and continuing education, Pension and annuity plans. Why on earth would any one support this nonsense? No one wants quality and craftsmanship from a professional in their respective field, they want poorly made goods that are produced by slaves from out sourced lands, no warranties, no pride just my 5000% markup. I defiantly don't need a Union who stands in my way of treating human beings like animals it cuts into my bottom line. 
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 09:35:25 (permalink)
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    “The truth is that Hostess workers and their Union have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this   company.  That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the company’s decision makers,” Frank Hurt, BCTGM International Union President, said in a separate statement released on Wednesday. 
     
      
    This is my thought on unions: 
    http://mises.org/daily/2124 
      
    Unchecked entitlement is a cancer to society. Their self-interests are incapable of being balanced with the interests of the environment they live in. They are a parasitical existence where they take more than they give. In this case they would rather watch their workplace implode than to compromise. Enjoy that unemployment check while you get fat playing WoW 18 hours a day in your mother's basement complaining how Hostess screwed you. Me stating that will probably get me the ire of people exploiting it though. 
    post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2012/11/16 10:01:15
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 10:00:21 (permalink)
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    Halfdead14 

    “The truth is that Hostess workers and their Union have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this   company.  That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the company’s decision makers,” Frank Hurt, BCTGM International Union President, said in a separate statement released on Wednesday. 
     
     
    This is my thought on unions: 
    http://mises.org/daily/2124 
     
    Unchecked entitlement is a cancer to society. Their self-interests are incapable of being balanced with the interests of their workplace. In this case they would rather watch their workplace implode than to compromise. Enjoy that unemployment check while you get fat playing WoW 18 hours a day in your mother's basement complaining how Hostess screwed you. Me stating that will probably get me the ire of people exploiting it though. 


    I was too lazy to read that whole article, I don't really care for GM anyway.
    It did make me think though "atleast hostess didn't take a several hundred million dollar bail out from the government". 
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 10:11:16 (permalink)
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    Halfdead14 

    “The truth is that Hostess workers and their Union have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this   company.  That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the company’s decision makers,” Frank Hurt, BCTGM International Union President, said in a separate statement released on Wednesday. 
     

    This is my thought on unions: 
    http://mises.org/daily/2124 

    Unchecked entitlement is a cancer to society. Their self-interests are incapable of being balanced with the interests of their workplace. In this case they would rather watch their workplace implode than to compromise. Enjoy that unemployment check while you get fat playing WoW 18 hours a day in your mother's basement complaining how Hostess screwed you. Me stating that will probably get me the ire of people exploiting it though. 


    I was too lazy to read that whole article, I don't really care for GM anyway.
    It did make me think though "atleast hostess didn't take a several hundred million dollar bail out from the government". 

    I agree. People will take issue with my stance because I'm not sugar coating my thoughts on the subject though.
     
    Ultimately, we all dig our own graves in life. We are where we put ourselves and our actions have consequences. It is silly they stated that the workforce had no part in the health of a company. The workforce and their proxy have a significant role in the health of their work environment. Do they only claim credit when it puts them in a good light?
     
    I do see the ultimate humor that the Twinkie is dead considering it's part of pop culture.
    post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2012/11/16 10:20:45
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 10:18:24 (permalink)
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    In this economy, They'd be lucky to get minimum wage. 


    oh you poor...poor soul


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 10:29:22 (permalink)
    This thread has been OK so far. I wanted to give a quick pre-warning not to let this spill over into politics because sometimes it is coming close. 

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 11:05:08 (permalink)
    Yay Unions, who take their cut off the top of your pay check whether you have representation or not.  Wooo!  </sarcasm>
     
    At the end of the day there are nearly 20,000 people out of work, and an American icon is lost forever.  I just dropped $100 on clearanced out hostess snacks, hopefully they will retain their flavors after a deep freeze considering their actual shelf life. 


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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 11:08:17 (permalink)
    Major problems in America when a icon like this closes down.

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 11:59:30 (permalink)
    Kanti

    Either way, $9 an hour is a whole lot better than $0 an hour.
    If you can't eat, keep a roof over your head or afford to go to the doctor, there isn't any difference. If you have to have government subsidies to do any of the above, it shows a different kind of failure on a much larger scale opposed to the indivdiual level. Arguing to stay out of that situation or automatically going into it doesn't have much of a difference, if the company will force the situation in either event.
     
    The illusion of choice was pretty bad in this situation.

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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 12:11:46 (permalink)
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    The illusion of choice was pretty bad in this situation.

    That makes a false assumption that years of bad choices didn't occur to get to this point. There are only illusions for people who can't see the forest through the trees. It's always someone else's fault things happen. People are pros at passing the buck. Part of your job as an employee is to work towards solvency of the business.
    post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2012/11/16 12:16:16
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 12:40:41 (permalink)
    That's it going to get some ding dongs, ho ho's, and a twinkie.
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    Re:Stock up on Twinkies, Hostess is dead 2012/11/16 12:50:43 (permalink)
    Brad_Hawthorne Part of your job as an employee is to work towards solvency of the business.
    They should have canned the folks that made the choices to acquire the other buisnesses that didn't perform as well in the 90s, in addition to change distribution and ingredient forms leading to further waste or the folks that continued those trends without updating the product lines leading up towards the 2004 bankruptcy filing.
     
    Nah, lets instead give them a 1.5 million dollar raise and blame the cooks and line workers....
     
    Yeah, that makes sense. C'mon brad...

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