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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/19 11:45:41 (permalink)
EVGA contacted me and we'll be doing an RMA of the card. Seems there is an issue with that 1 temp being much higher than the others.
CriticalHit_NLAh well, thanks for trying, it really is useful.
But is there really no other way to get this done without the site? I mean an executable utility would be a nice solution.

An executable would require programming the calculator in a language other than javascript :P 
 
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/19 16:02:22 (permalink)
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EVGA contacted me and we'll be doing an RMA of the card. Seems there is an issue with that 1 temp being much higher than the others.



Dang, makes me wonder if this means I should contact them about mine. Will have to check when I get home how much higher that one gets than the others. I'm pretty sure it was quite a bit for that top memory and power module just like yours.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/19 16:57:41 (permalink)
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EVGA contacted me and we'll be doing an RMA of the card. Seems there is an issue with that 1 temp being much higher than the others.



Dang, makes me wonder if this means I should contact them about mine. Will have to check when I get home how much higher that one gets than the others. I'm pretty sure it was quite a bit for that top memory and power module just like yours.


This is a courtesy RMA. As Sajin mentioned, there is nothing wrong with the temps indicated here. Power4 is the hottest power sensor by as much as 6% on my two FTW3s. EVGA is in a league of their own for heading consumer apprehension. It's certainly comforting to be under their warranty.

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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/19 17:33:25 (permalink)
That sucks man, hopefully your new one cools better. I am pretty happy with my card, its cooling really well! Doesn't clock to the 2126 MHz my FE with the Hybrid kit does, but it cools well and games well. Here are the temps I get while running SuPo stress test for 20+ minutes:
 

 
My fans are set to aggressive with the slave BIOS, and the ambient temp is 23C. Case is a Corsair 570x. I usually replace the TIM with Kryonaut, but its doing so well that I don't feel the need.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 14:23:10 (permalink)
Welp... I got my replacement in the mail and decided to check it out.
 
I dare say this one is worse? Stock settings. Had to test with Quantum Break because for some reason, Heaven benchmark wouldn't push the clocks over 1600mhz. But yeah.... PWR4?
 

 
That can't be normal, right?
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 14:39:05 (permalink)
My PWR4 is about the same.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 17:00:58 (permalink)
Super unfortunate if that's to be expected. The fan speeds required to keep power temps under 83 are insanely loud on this thing. And I keep reading that other 1080Tis are quite a bit more quiet than the FTW3. So I'm having some buyers remorse at this point.
 
Not to mention that on my new one, I seem to have a faulty Bios switch because there's no way to get the 127% power target on the slave bios (that worked fine on my first card).
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 17:12:07 (permalink)
This is a stretch, but I noticed your heat piping from your CPU water cooler drapes down and sits on the card about where the hot spots are. At least from the angle of the picture. Have you tried repositioning / typing up the slack so it's further away from your GPU?

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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 17:29:59 (permalink)
Also, my FTW3 has never been above 59C since I installed the card. I run an aggressive fan profile and don't notice sound unless I try to hear it, if that makes sense. My PWR4 is a bit warmer than the other PWR sensors. My card operates between 47-53C at full load. I would say my case does vent any hot air very well.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 17:44:46 (permalink)
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This is a courtesy RMA. As Sajin mentioned, there is nothing wrong with the temps indicated here. Power4 is the hottest power sensor by as much as 6% on my two FTW3s. EVGA is in a league of their own for heading consumer apprehension. It's certainly comforting to be under their warranty.



Precisely.  There's nothing wrong with the card or temps.  While they might seem higher than others, case size, internal air flow, fan speed all around and ambient room temp all play a role.  
 
If you want, try this internal airflow configuration.  Front and bottom fans as intake, top and rear as exhaust so the GPU gets the first batch of cooler ambient air.  
 
Also, what kind of fans are you using and at what speed and whats your room ambient temp? 
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 18:17:45 (permalink)
On stock settings running Fire Strike, my PWR4 is 65-66 as well.  Sounds like it's normal.

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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/27 18:24:08 (permalink)
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Also, my FTW3 has never been above 59C since I installed the card. I run an aggressive fan profile and don't notice sound unless I try to hear it, if that makes sense. My PWR4 is a bit warmer than the other PWR sensors. My card operates between 47-53C at full load. I would say my case does vent any hot air very well.

 
So an EVGA video they posted to market the FTW3 showing 70-71 degrees under load while playing Quake Champions in 4k.
https://youtu.be/ej2SnCvH7Bs
 
Your card operates 17-23C degrees cooler than EVGA by turning up your fans by 100rpm?  
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/28 00:43:09 (permalink)
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Also, my FTW3 has never been above 59C since I installed the card. I run an aggressive fan profile and don't notice sound unless I try to hear it, if that makes sense. My PWR4 is a bit warmer than the other PWR sensors. My card operates between 47-53C at full load. I would say my case does vent any hot air very well.

 
So an EVGA video they posted to market the FTW3 showing 70-71 degrees under load while playing Quake Champions in 4k.

 
Your card operates 17-23C degrees cooler than EVGA by turning up your fans by 100rpm?  


I guess I am saying that, yeah. I put one of my screenshots up earlier, I was running SuPo during that shot. My ambient temp is 72F, so 22.2C. Corsair 570X with the SP120 RGB fans. Just works well? My 1080Ti FE ran 70C with fans at 80%, loud. I put a Hybrid on it along with other mods, it's stable at 2126 MHz with 45C. I liked the way the FTW3 is built. So even though it clocks higher, I am selling the FE.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/28 16:49:50 (permalink)
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On stock settings running Fire Strike, my PWR4 is 65-66 as well.  Sounds like it's normal.


Oh no, it gets MUCH hotter.  That first screenshot was just to show the difference between PWR4 and the others. A few rounds of Superposition and it heats up to 83 degrees (where I have my fans set to keep it there). GPU temp is only 70ish when that happens.
 

 
I know power temps run hotter, but I was told not to let it go past 83. So that's where my fans get SUPER loud.
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Also, what kind of fans are you using and at what speed and whats your room ambient temp?

Me personally? I have an NZXT H440 case. The 3 front 120mm intake fans are still stock. I have 1 rear 140mm NZXT Aer RGB fan, and the 2 fans mounted on my AIO cooler are also stock and on the top of my case.
 
I wish I knew if I could set my front intake fans to respond to GPU temps instead of CPU (since my CPU doesn't contribute to much heat inside my PC). But they're 3 pin fans connected to the NZXT fan hub, and the hub is connected to a 4-pin cha_fan header. But nothing I've tried can control them. They don't seem like high quality fans. I'd love some recommendations for good 120mm fans that maybe I can control somehow.
 
I'm going to experiment with a Strix and see if that fares any better inside my case. If I have similar issues with cooling\noise, then I know it's probably case airflow that needs to be improved.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/29 10:22:56 (permalink)
Try running a steeper curve on the GPU fan since that one seems to have more effect on PWR4 than the power fan itself.
 
My FTW3 also shows higher PWR4 and MEM2 which I believe to be normal due to the positioning near the core.  I'll get some load temps to compare with yours shortly.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/29 13:19:33 (permalink)
Here's my temps with a custom curve based on aggressive that I'm still tweaking.
 
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Load - 1hr Watch Dogs 2.  PWR4 maxed out at about 69C with the others about 10C below.

 
Here's the fan curve I'm running and you can see about where the fan speeds sit under load.

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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/29 14:48:10 (permalink)
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I know power temps run hotter, but I was told not to let it go past 83.

Who said you need to keep it below 83?
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/29 18:24:36 (permalink)
Jim, you need to post your results at stock without overclock (also no increased power target) and letting us know what your fan profiles are.
FscuderiaX was kind enough to post his stock results so we can compare, but we need yours with the same config.
If you post things with different settings we can't compare anything.
 
Also you say that your replacement card is worse than your first one. If I compare the screenshots from your first card with the ones of your new card (and I can't compare them in the same conditions because you used different settings), it looks to me that it is not the case.
 
Old card:

 
New card:

 
Now lets take a look and analyze the screenshots. The temperatures are almost the same in both (old: 69/79/75 new:69/80/74) but now lets take a look at everything else.
You power target on your old card was 117% (+242mem_overclock) vs 127% in the new one.
Your fans are way higher in your old card (specially power at 100%) than they are in the new one. Note that you keep almost the same temps in both with half the fan speeds in the new one.
The effective core clock is almost the same (1 tick higher in your old card, but not significant).
 
With this data I can only think that the new card is doing much better than the old one. If you set the fan curve in your new card to something similar to what you had when you tested the old card, I bet you get better temperatures now.
 
Still, it seems FscuderiaX is getting better temps than you, so you might want to take a look at your airflow, but to do that you need to test your card with similar settings to what he has.
If you keep changing all your overclock settings while trying to figure out what is going on with your temperatures you are only going to get a huge headache.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/29 19:02:11 (permalink)
Room ambient and internal case temps would be nice to know as well.  That would surely tell you if it's a hotter running GPU.

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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/31 07:07:56 (permalink)
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Also you say that your replacement card is worse than your first one. If I compare the screenshots from your first card with the ones of your new card (and I can't compare them in the same conditions because you used different settings), it looks to me that it is not the case.
 
If you keep changing all your overclock settings while trying to figure out what is going on with your temperatures you are only going to get a huge headache.

I said the new one may be worse due to the even greater disparity between the PWR4 sensor and the others. The reason my power is maxed in the most recent screenshot is because that was taking during some 4K gaming, and I max the power in order to avoid throttling. It's more "real-world" testing, since that's how I'd be using the card.
 
Eventually, that climbed to 83 degrees and I had to adjust the fan curve to try and keep it there, which meant making it louder.
 
Another user suggested I increase the GPU fan as well since that would actually affect the PWR4 area of the card. But it's still more fan noise that I'd like to avoid if possible. I will have to see how that balance works out. 
 
I appreciate all the patience dealing with this. I didn't expect so many people to try and help\analyze my situation. EVGA support is great as always, it's just a shame I'm having so many headaches after a very smooth experience with the 980TI. I just want to plug in the card, OC, and play. All this triple temperature monitoring is stressing me out :(
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/31 07:16:51 (permalink)
Memory shoud feel ok at 60c , right ?


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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/31 15:49:12 (permalink)
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Memory shoud feel ok at 60c , right ?


Yeah, that is cooler than most people will get.



 
 
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/05/31 16:21:50 (permalink)
Have you tried running the aggressive fan curve and seeing where the temps land without worrying about fan noise just yet?  If they're relatively low (as they should be), you can start tweaking each fan one by one like I did.  Basically creating a custom curve based on the aggressive preset.  
 
Start by looking where each of the 3 temps are sitting under load on the aggressive curve, and decide on how much headroom you have on each to stay within "your" safe limits.  Then tweak each fan one by one to reduce noise.  It's been working fairly well for me so far and I'm still dialing it in so it will take time but I appreciate the amount of customization EVGA gives us rather than being stuck with a single slider.  
 
It may seem over complex but when you dial it in you'll be happy and feel it was well worth the time.  I posted my fan curves so if you want refer to them to get an idea of what adjustments I've made so far to minimize noise while sill maintaining low temps although I'm still tweaking and no two systems are alike but you can get an idea.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/07/25 09:36:39 (permalink)
Hi, I just got a GTX1080ti FTW3 so I'm new to the EVGA family. I also have been concerned with the how hot the PWR 4 sensor is getting compared the the GPU, on average PWR 4 is 8 to 10 degrees warmer under load.

When I first installed the card running the stock fan curve I was getting around 75+ on the GPU and 83+ on the PWR 4 when gaming. This is a lot hotter that what I was use to with my old Galax GTX1070 HOF which would run at high 50's / lower 60's in the same conditions.

The interesting thing is that my case and setup is almost identical to jim2point0. I have a NZXT H440 case with the front stock 3x 120mm intake fans, corsair 1x 140mm exhaust, NZXT Kraken X51 with radiator with 2x 140mm fans mounted up top.

I have now changed the FTW3 fan curve to the aggressive profile and with all my case fans at 100% I get around GPU 1 - 62c, PWR - 70c and MEM 2 - 66c, so the temps are looking better. It seams that prior to that there was not enough airflow in the case because my case fan curves are all based on CPU temp.

How many other people are getting 10 degree hotter PWR 4 compared to GPU 1? Would this cause the card to on average run warmer because of the additional heat in that area?
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/07/25 10:00:27 (permalink)
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Hi, I just got a GTX1080ti FTW3 so I'm new to the EVGA family. I also have been concerned with the how hot the PWR 4 sensor is getting compared the the GPU, on average PWR 4 is 8 to 10 degrees warmer under load.

When I first installed the card running the stock fan curve I was getting around 75+ on the GPU and 83+ on the PWR 4 when gaming. This is a lot hotter that what I was use to with my old Galax GTX1070 HOF which would run at high 50's / lower 60's in the same conditions.

The interesting thing is that my case and setup is almost identical to jim2point0. I have a NZXT H440 case with the front stock 3x 120mm intake fans, corsair 1x 140mm exhaust, NZXT Kraken X51 with radiator with 2x 140mm fans mounted up top.

I have now changed the FTW3 fan curve to the aggressive profile and with all my case fans at 100% I get around GPU 1 - 62c, PWR - 70c and MEM 2 - 66c, so the temps are looking better. It seams that prior to that there was not enough airflow in the case because my case fan curves are all based on CPU temp.

How many other people are getting 10 degree hotter PWR 4 compared to GPU 1? Would this cause the card to on average run warmer because of the additional heat in that area?



I'd recommend watching GamerNexus's review on the ftw3 on Youtube. He explains the higher heat of PWR 4 better than I could. The gist of it is that the location of the sensor is what is causing it to show high temps. Nothing to worry about
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/07/25 10:31:35 (permalink)
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I'd recommend watching GamerNexus's review on the ftw3 on Youtube. He explains the higher heat of PWR 4 better than I could. The gist of it is that the location of the sensor is what is causing it to show high temps. Nothing to worry about


 
Thanks, I just took a look at the review then. His temps are basically identical to mine as well which makes me feel better.
 
I guess with any any other card the only temp sensor you would have is on the GPU so its not until EVGA put all these other sensors all over the card that people are actually able to see other warm spots that would have gone completely undetected on other cards.
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/07/25 10:35:25 (permalink)
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I'd recommend watching GamerNexus's review on the ftw3 on Youtube. He explains the higher heat of PWR 4 better than I could. The gist of it is that the location of the sensor is what is causing it to show high temps. Nothing to worry about


 
Thanks, I just took a look at the review then. His temps are basically identical to mine as well which makes me feel better.
 
I guess with any any other card the only temp sensor you would have is on the GPU so its not until EVGA put all these other sensors all over the card that people are actually able to see other warm spots that would have gone completely undetected on other cards.




Sweet! Glad it helped. Honestly it's insane how over the top EVGA went with these icx cards. The engineering is ridiculous. From what he said, those other components can handle really high temps no problem. When I get my sc2, I'm going to decrease the fan curve for the vrm fan
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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/07/26 03:45:42 (permalink)
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Here's my temps with a custom curve based on aggressive that I'm still tweaking.
 
Idle

 
Load - 1hr Watch Dogs 2.  PWR4 maxed out at about 69C with the others about 10C below.

 
Here's the fan curve I'm running and you can see about where the fan speeds sit under load.



 
Thanks for the tips with the fan profiles, I have just started testing a few different fan curves. The fans still do a good job cooling with the fan speed at 50%. So I want to test if the cooling efficiency drops off once the fans hit a certain speed. Having them at 50% might mean that the card runs a few C hotter but should be quieter. 
 
For those that are interested and for a quick comparison I tried to replicate your temp using similar conditions. I used your fan profile and set my case fans to ramp up to 100% if my CPU was greater than 40C. I ended up getting very similar temps.
 
Idle: 

 
Load - 1 Hour Unigine Heaven. PWR4 maxed out at 71C (Temps fluctuated 1/2C through the benchmark):

 
Here is where my fans were sitting under load:

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Re: Questions about power and memory temps on the EVGA FTW3 2017/07/26 06:09:58 (permalink)
PWR4 is sitting on the backside of the PCB and is not actively cooled. It covers the temperatures generated by the memory VRM (and memory + GPU).  This area heats up/cools down more slowly and reaches higher temperatures than the other parts of the PCB. EVGA wants you to imagine that the right fan on the other side of the PCB is responsible to cool that area...
 
Just don't bother. These temps are nothing to worry about.
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